jon Stewart forgives the lies if the real goal was to spread

[rainy]

democracy which he now thinks is happening in the ME thanks to Bush. What the heck?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

1. Jon and Bill Maher must've had death threats recently

be afraid...be very afraid.

[rainy]

2. KO must be receiving the same threats

[Ian David]

4. It sounded to me like he was being ironic

"Hey, look! They're actually burning a flag that isn't ours!"

[King Coal]

12. Did KO really stop blogging?

[DesEtoiles]

3. Too bad * doesn't believe in democracy in America

[LynnTheDem]

5. And WHERE is this "democracy"??? I see THEOCRACIES forming.

I see hundreds of thousands of dead men, women, & kids.

I see a whole lot of likely civil wars.

But I don't see one single democratic nation in the entire middle east.

[Alpharetta]

10. It's not a democracy if it satisfies every test of a puppet government

It's hard to call Iraq a democracy if it's not even a government.

Wikipedia definition of puppet government

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. What did I miss?

[leftofthedial]

7. jon, Keith olbermann, bill maher . . .

fuck it.

as if what is going on there is the spread of "democracy" in the first damned place

and as if that was even an issue on the bushturd's neotheocon invasion plan

[The_Nick]

8. Rush to judgement.

Lebanon may actually be a swing toward democracy. It's not a "because of Bush" event. Their beloved previous PM was just killed, and they've had enough.

That's what I've read and that's what Stewart echoed. His guest was blatantly fanning the flames of the RIGHT with her anti-Coulter "jokes" along the lines of "I hope we fail". That's what put me off on this particular episode.

[No Exit]

11. Hello? Where's the proof?

Do you live in the USA? That "nation of laws, not of men"? If you do, then you should be wanting proof before casting blame. Where's the proof that Syria was the culprit in the assassination? The Israeli government has been caught before in false flag operations? Who's to say they might not be behind the assassination? And who exactly has benefitted from this assassination?

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. That wasn't my perception

of her comments. Careful there.

What she said was, "As a Democrat, you hate to be able to give them credit" but she also said she needed to give credit where it is due. She did NOT say, "I hope we fail", and even made the statement that she wants to see America be successful (IIRC)

What put me off was Stewart's lean toward dismissing Bush from being accountable. The ends do not justify the means when it comes to the head of state lying to the nation and world at large. It would be different had Bush put first and foremost those 'values' he now holds up as reasons to invade; instead, he elected to scare the be-Jesus out of everyone still in shock and fear from 9/11 to posit a WMD dream scenario.

[applegrove]

9. BREAKING NEWS: Texas Oil Money May Find Its Way to The People

for the first time ever!

Okay so no oil in Lebannon or Palestine. But unless Bush wants to take credit for the death of Arafat & the death of the Lebanese PM - he doesn't get credit for the peace breaking out.

The big deal is that Oil money is busy not funding terrorists for the first time in 40 years (except for in Baghdad tonight & yesterday). Clap Clap Clap

I wonder if solar power breakthroughs will make the situation even better?

[ernstbass]

13. Maybe he is sympathetic to Israel

given the fact that he is Jewish.

[AlCzervik]

16. thats bullshit, he's ranted on israel and Sharon plenty of times

[tjdee]

14. Some people should be ashamed of themselves--and Jon isn't one of them.

"Maybe he is sympathetic to Israel"?

:grr:

Maybe he is a COMEDIAN, who sometimes agrees with us and sometimes not.

How about that?

[The White Tree]

19. Like all progressives I think he was reflecting

He said during the show I saw at least twice that he doesn't care for the administration and the way it does business. However, as any true progressive he is willing to ask the question.

I think that's valid.

To me it still comes down to the answer is who gave the Bush Administration the right to decide who lives and dies, and who should be free and who shouldn't. Why Iraq, why not Syria, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Darfur.

We attacked a country where people weren't actively dying and created a situation where now they are. Meanwhile in a place where people are dying continuously and have no freedom (Darfur), we are not doing enough to stop the violence, particularly in comparison to Iraq. I see no moral high ground, nor nothing that maintains that this end justifies the means by which we undertook it, which was through lies and the willing deception of our people.

The bottom lines is the United States invaded Iraq to protect it's own self-interest not to bring liberty and democracy to the Middle East. Nothing can rewrite that history for the innocent people who died because of it.

[underpants]

15. "Freedom is on the march" timeline

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1632421

[SmokingJacket]

18. Think of it this way:

If he supports the pres occasionally, it makes his later criticism appear more thoughtful and credible.

That's how I choose to take it.

[Al-CIAda]

20. I find it VERY odd that KO, Maher & Stewart

All of a sudden parrot this EXCUSE. Are they official talking points?
If so, it is to buy into the LIE, and anything which proceeds from that LIE is a LIE to paper over the initial LIE.

I agree with Moreen Dowd. I guess I'm old fashioned too, I still hold those CRIMINALS who tell LIES and STEAL from the citizens to account.