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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:07 PM
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An ounce of prevention is cheaper than a pound of cure.
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 05:10 PM by Bouncy Ball
I've created a flowchart of sorts in which I've listed factors I feel contribute to healthy and productive citizens, thus a healthy and productive nation.

Every factor is intertwined with the others--none of these items exist in a vacuum. The correlations I've illustrated here are backed by years of sociological and educational research. We can either ensure these factors are available to Americans, or we can pay more, both in dollars and in human costs, to continue to suffer the consequences of not making such things available to all Americans.

(I have not addressed such specific issues as minimum wage here, preferring instead to focus on more general societal/economic factors.)

I think this is simple and common sense. I can't imagine that many DUers will find anything surprising here. However, constructive criticism is welcome, as I am trying to illustrate to more people that an ounce of prevention really is far cheaper and better than a pound of cure. You cannot force people to be educated, employed, productive citizens, nor would it be moral to simply allow them to die in the gutter, but we can, as a country, a society, a government do everything we can, in the most cost-effective way possible, to ensure the success of the highest number of citizens, which benefits us all.

(Please excuse the lack of sophistication of this flowchart. I did it here on this screen on DU. I'm not very good at these. The one I drew out on paper looked much better, LOL!)

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1. Access to health/medical care for child?

YES--Higher school attendance-->more likely to graduate--->more likely to be employed--->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--Lower school attendance-->less likely to graduate-->more likely to be unemployed/underemployed--->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services (including prison everywhere I mention taxpayer-funded services)

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2. Access to health/medical care for parent?

YES--More likely to be employed/stay employed-->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--More likely to be unemployed/underemployed-->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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3. Access to high quality education (pre K-12)?

YES--More likely to graduate--->more likely to pursue post-secondary education--->more likely to be employed/stay employed--->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--Less likely to graduate-->more likely to be unemployed/underemployed--->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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4. If a child, is the parent employed (access to jobs)?

YES--More likely to have stable housing, more likely to have adequate nutrition (thus less likely to have health/medical problems attributed to poor nutrition, see health care factor), more likely to graduate, less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--Less likely to have stable housing, less likely to have adequate nutrition (thus more likely to suffer health/medical problems attributed to poor nutrition, see health care factor), less likely to graduate, more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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5. Access to and Education on Birth Control and Human Sexuality?
(NOTE: This is NOT mutually exclusive to abstinence encouragement.)

YES--Less likely to become a teen parent->more likely to graduate--> more likely to be employed/stay employed-->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--More likely to become a teen parent->less likely to graduate--> more likely to be unemployed/underemployed-->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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6. Access to Vocational/Job Training?

YES--More likely to be employed/stay employed-->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--More likely to be unemployed/underemployed-->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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7. Access to Mental Health Services (to include drug abuse prevention and treatment, etc.)?

YES--More likely to be employed/stay employed-->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services (and if this is a parent, more likely to successfully raise their children).

NO--More likely to be unemployed/underemployed-->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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8. Access to Higher Education (Post-Secondary)?

YES--More likely to be employed/stay employed-->less likely to use taxpayer-funded services

NO--More likely to be unemployed/underemployed-->more likely to use taxpayer-funded services

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Note: For all of this faith-based initiatives talk bushco has made noise about since 2000, I don't see any of them providing healthcare to kids or adults, improving the quality of education, providing vocational/jobs training, providing access to and education about birth control (quite the opposite there!), access to mental health services (they might do a bit of that, in the name of increasing church membership/proselytizing) or access to higher education for Americans.

So, um, basically that's a sham.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:14 PM
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1. Damn, I'm impressed.
I'd be interested to see how the "freeper" types would argue with your impeccable logic.

Never mind; they don't depend on logic. They'd probably just start shouting "9/11!" or "It's all Clinton's fault!" at you--like they respond to anyone who questions the Party Line.

Fine work. I salute you.

Redstone
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:24 PM
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4. Thanks, but I really can't take too much credit.
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 05:25 PM by Bouncy Ball
Like I said in my OP, these are all correlational relationships that have been verified over and over in the last few decades by sociological and educational researchers.

I just put it all together. I honestly think some people just don't SEE the interconnectedness of all of those factors. Take any one of them away from a person and the chances of everything else going to shit greatly increases. It's common sense.

But the republican lawmakers in Texas kicked kids off the very cost-effective CHIPS program (Childrens Health Insurance) in the last two years, and now we have more parents quitting their low-income jobs (it was only for kids of low-income working parents) to get Medicaid, we have more and more kids going to ERs for problems a private doctor should be handling, etc. It has actually cost the state and thus the taxpayers MORE to kick those kids off that health coverage program.

It doesn't. Make. Sense.

And yet freepers yell and scream about their tax dollars. :crazy:
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:14 PM
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2. The Faith-Biased (sic) Initiatives
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 05:15 PM by mermaid
use all their money to proseltyze. Didn't you know that? Their answer is that God will take care of everything if you just ask God.

Yeah, right...so where's that job I've been asking for for the last ten freaking months?? :eyes:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:21 PM
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3. Also, I forgot to add in my OP
that in the year 2003, the bush administration gave $3 BILLION to churches. That's right, three BILLION dollars.

Add to that the fact that they are already tax-exempt and I don't see why we have ANYONE with no health coverage, why we have ANYONE who can't afford to go to college, etc.

Wonder what those churches are spending that money on?

(I actually already wrote a post today about megachurches, so this ties in nicely.)

Thanks for mentioning it mermaid, gave me a spot to put this! :thumbsup:
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:00 PM
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6. How Much You Wanna Bet
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 06:00 PM by mermaid
That none of the recipient Churches Were Unitarian Universalist....or Muslim....or well, basically, anything other than fundamentalist "christian?"

How much ya wanna bet every cent of it went to fundmentalists?

Speaking of which, I'd love to know how much good old Phred Phelps got. Betcha some of it went to Westboro.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:33 PM
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9. Oh I'd just about lay money
that every single church that got part of that $3 billion is fundie in some way.

BTW, I think we need to call this what it is: church welfare.

In my mind, it's even worse than corporate welfare, because churches pay NO taxes at all, while corporations do (though the level they pay is tiny compared to what they make and what individuals pay--percentage-wise).

Church Welfare: You don't have to pay taxes, but you can GET taxpayer money! What a racket! Why don't I start a fundie church?
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:53 PM
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5. Your post hits on three key points...
Health.
Education.
Jobs.

I totally agree with your post. A society that does not have to fight for basic rights, such as health care, education, and jobs, succeeds in mental and physical well being. The people can therefore devote more time to their family and community.

Another aspect of education is that with more educated people, better decisions are made in both the home and in government. Education is one of the main contributers to a democratic society.

To expand on your post, yes/no decisions on our environment also are important. Then add in energy and transportation policies.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:31 PM
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8. True, you can
add any number of factors, including environmental, which affect us more than most people realize.

Thanks!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:34 PM
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7. and also, for employers ...
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 06:42 PM by Lisa
I'm in Canada. Several people I know who own or manage small businesses have told me that they wouldn't be able to stay afloat (or they'd have to lay off staff) if they had to pay for their employees' health insurance. There's also less paperwork for them.

p.s. secure access to higher education can have immediate benefits (at least, I've seen what happens when student grants are cut!). Students who don't have to work multiple jobs to go to school have a higher attendance rate and are more likely to do well. Since the BC government's round of education cutbacks, I've seen a definite increase in the number of people who have needed academic concessions due to job pressures (or having to look after sick parents or kids because the health care services were also cut). If those students give up, the education system loses them -- they either drop out (in which case society loses potentially-valuable skills, and the kids themselves settle for Home Depot jobs when they could be teachers or electricians) or they move to more generous jurisdictions, which then reap the benefits of their expertise. (Up here the neo-cons harp on about a "brain drain" to the States because of Bush's tax cuts there, but they simultaneously dismiss the possibility of people leaving because Yale or some US school is willing to offer financial support.)

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:43 PM
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10. Kick
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:57 PM
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11. one last kick and that's it
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