I am completely baffled that someone...

[Stop_the_War]

can acquire 5000 posts on DU and turn out to be a MOD on a CONSERVATIVE forum. It's unbelievable.

[Lisabtrucking]

Who is it? n/t

[Stop_the_War]

7. Vetwife

[Lisabtrucking]

10. Your kidding? I saw that post she posted last night early this morning

some of the people on the form seem too know her well. That made me think she was legit. How do you know she's a mod on the re pug site?

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[XanaDUer]

1. There was one poster here who

had a lot of posts and also turned out to be some type of stealth freeper.

Wow. I wish I had that kind of time on my hands.

[Lisabtrucking]

4. They must be paid by the bush administration. n/t

[XanaDUer]

6. Naw

they probably want to come here to convert us, or just feel like it's cool to goof on us.

Who knows?

[Minstrel Boy]

9. If you're thinking of

Seventhson, it turns out he wasn't. Someone hacked his account.

[XanaDUer]

11. That's the one.

Is he back?

[Minstrel Boy]

14. No, he's not back,

but it definitely wasn't him. I've heard from people who know him in real life, and he was crushed by it.

[Straight Shooter]

18. I am so relieved to hear that. I've been wondering what happened.

I was away from DU for a long time, but seventhson was one of my favorites, tinfoil hat and all. (Not a tinfoil hat, really, a bullsh*t detector.) When I came back from my hiatus, he was gone.

Minstrel Boy, please pass it on if you get a chance, Straight Shooter says :hi: to seventhson.

[Bunny]

40. Seriously? It wasn't him?

Wow. That whole night was pretty weird. I wasn't aware that his claims of being hacked were proven to be true. What about Ductape Fatwa? Wasn't he also a long-term disruptor?

[Violet_Crumble]

43. He wasn't a freeper...

I tried to track down the person who'd supposedly witnessed dtf outing himself as a freeper and hit a dead end, which comes as no surprise seeing as how the entire freeper story was complete bullshit. And because of what happened to dtf at the hand of a few gossipy DUers with too much time on their hands I tended to give seventhson the benefit of the doubt as well. If he'd been a freeper he would have surfaced gloating on some of those boards they have that cater to the obsessive-compulsive thing they have going for DU...

Violet...

[Minstrel Boy]

44. I miss Ductape.

True, he was tombstoned as a disrupter (in his case, I'd call it shit disturber), but he's not a freeper.

He has a great blog:

http://ductapefatwa.blogspot.com/

[Jim Sagle]

68. I don't. He wuzn't nuthin' but shit when he wuz here and he ain't nuthin'

but shit now that he's gone.

[Zhade]

73. He remains ten thousand times more interesting than yourself.

Yawn.

[TN al]

76. I have just spent a few moments pondering your post...

...and am having a difficult time seeing it as anything but a personal attack on the poster to whom you refer. It just doesn't refute anything that was said.

[Cha]

54. That's interesting and good to know..

the last I heard..he was a freeper who revealed himself around election night!

Someone "hacked his account" and assumed his identity!?

[TOOLZ]

66. You fuckin said it.

I respect their dedication and duplicity. That I should be such an effective manipulator to upheave a whole culture I'm against to turn against themselves....

Seriously, it's not just sarcasm. How can I do it??? Anyone???

[latteromden]

2. :X I'll second that. Reminds me, I need to get over to FR...

Gotta up my post count. :P

[Petrushka]

74. You, too?

B-)

[boneygrey]

3. Who are you talking about? n/t

[Stop_the_War]

8. Vetwife

[JanMichael]

5. Well, you might want to get used to the idea

There is a website where several of the members claim to be long posting members here, and even a mod or two.

You know what? It's people who are acting out their bizarre, unhealthy fantisies in cyberspace...they are sad, and should be thought of as ill instead of hated.

[XanaDUer]

13. It is kinda weird.

n/t.

[SnoopDog]

12. I have a theory..

I believe that there are freeper DUers who post positive Democratic views and up their post count. But, they actually have been assigned specific tasks by the repuks. Example, when a post is on say Global Warming - they go to work to refute it. That is their assigned anti-democratic job.

[XanaDUer]

15. But how successful would that strategy be?

It seems like a lot of work to convert virtual strangers over to your side, and not very effective.

[SnoopDog]

19. One could say it is effective by default.

Any post contrary to our beliefs is what they desire. It is how 'they' fight us here on DU.

[XanaDUer]

20. Let them...

They won't convert one of us, I am sure.

If they want to waste their time and energy, better they are farting around here than causing more mischief out there in the real world.

God, some people really need to get a life.

[TN al]

77. I agree, they won't convert any of us....

...but that isn't the point. When I first discovered DU the only place I knew to post to was in an AOL chat room. The words "From the Left" was just a freeper magnet. When I saw that conservative talk was not welcome here it was like entering paradise. So I am particularly sensitive to and offended by conservative trolling. Now maybe that is just a personal problem but it is the way that I feel. Oh, and by the way vetwife was a mod on more than one conservative site. I have known that for some time and just didn't know how to point that out without getting first, flamed and then, my post deleted.

[ultraist]

16. wouldn't doubt it a bit!

There are various styles in which one can freep! Some are craftier than others.

[depakid]

30. While I agree with you in general

and I.m pretty sure I can identify several such individuals who posted during the run up to the primary and during the critical period between July & September, I seriously doubt vetwife is one of them. I've read her posts for almost 2 years on the Smirking Chimp- and she's been pretty consistently and virulently anti-Bush.

Her latests posts over there suggest she's been under a ton of stress- and I think it's possible that she "snapped" (in the cult psychology sense of the word).

Another thing to note is that she lives in Carroll County, Ga. and she complained constantly (and it seemed sincerely) about all of the crap she got (and was exposed to) from the folks in her community. You live in the South- you what that must be like....

While she brought a lot of this on herself with her extravagant vanity post (another indication that something might be amiss) it's still wise to view things in context. Although lot of people are pissed off and feel betrayed- and that's understandable- there's more to the story that insightful people like yourself would probably see if you had more of the history.

[ultraist]

34. You may be right

I haven't been here nearly as long as you have but I do find it very odd that ALL OF A SUDDEN someone's entire belief system flips. That is not something you normally see in adults. From pro Kerry to pro Bush overnight is unusual.

[tblue37]

38. Yes, and remember

all the times she stood up in public in stores and restaurants where she lives and told people in no uncertain terms that Bush is evil and destroying America--even though she knew she'd take crap for it in that part of the country.

I think this last year has been too hard on her, especially the death of her mother. I psoted at length about this issue on another thread about this topic. I am sorry she has gone over to the dark side, but I think it was mainly because she needed the sort of praise and attention she is getting there and did not feel she ws getting enough of on SC and here.

[depakid]

45. I remember....

and I'm inclined to agree with you about needing the support and no longer being able to fight against the grain. She was in a very vulnerable position- she appparently had other family related stressors too, and in fact posted in response to something I wrote that a physician had recently recommended anti-depressants-

Coincidently, ultraist and I were just discussing the psychology of phenomena like this the other day- and I see many of the classic elements of that here.

I imagine that she's still welcome on SC, which is a good thing, because she may need a lifeline at some point in the future, and to be quite frank, a more insular community like SC may be a better place for her to get it than here.

At anyrate- thanks for confirming my observations. All too often people think I'm crazy around here (I may well be, but that's another story) ;-)

[ldf]

59. it also seemed that she had one primary issue

and that was supporting our troops, whether in iraq, or anywhere else.

and there are some (really only a few) du'ers who just can not do that.

and she took it personally.

EDIT to add, those very du'ers who can not seem to support the troops may very well be here themselves to make us look bad. they seem to be quite verbose in their posts. plus their posts would be red meat to toss out to our detractors as examples of how we liberals are all so evil.

i'm sorry she felt she had to leave, and i hope she knows that we do not wish ill of our troops. they are doing their job. the problem is with the people who gave them their marching orders. THEY are the ones who need to be taken to task.

i wish vetwife the best.

and i am SOOO glad the seventhson was not a freeper. i agreed with him/her so many times on so many issues i was speechless when the 'event' occurred.

i wish him/her the best.

[Ms. Clio]

58. And you know that "she stood up in public in stores and restaurants"

how, exactly?

Because she said so?

I find it incredibly disturbing that anyone needs lavish amounts of "praise and attention" from Internet message boards.

[tblue37]

61. Well, for sure her calls to

the CNN call-in shows and to radio talk shows were heard by many other Smirking Chimp posters (I am too deaf to hear such things myself). There was plenty of verifiable evidence of her speaking out in public against Bush, so I have no reason to doubt her or her husband's reports of the times she spoke up in stores and restaurants. I am quite sure that Vetwife was an outspoken opponent of the Bush regime. What she is doing now is unfortunate, but she wasn't just pretending before.

[Ms. Clio]

62. Sorry, but I have plenty of reasons to doubt those reports

after everything I have read here today.

[depakid]

63. Doubt away

I'm one of the biggest skeptics around- but consider- I'm well to the left of probably 80% of the people on this board- and I don't have any reason to lie about what I've observed.

Could be you're wrong. Not that it matters, really.

People do what they- and not that much surprises me anymore.

[Ms. Clio]

65. I wasn't responding to you, so I'm not sure what you mean n/t

[depakid]

71. Just that

I've seen the folks at the Chimp (where I'm also long time member) who have heard the woman do call ins and such. It's a pretty tight knit and jaded group over there- they'd have called BS (or I'd have smelled it) a long time ago had something not rung true.

Incidently, I've seen quite a few people "snap" like this before, both in a personal and professional context- and while I can only speculate as to her case- it does seem to follow the pattern.

[Ms. Clio]

72. I'm not doubting that people heard her do call-ins to C-Span or radio

That seems to have been part of her attention-seeking behavior and a way to garner desperately-needed praise and approval.

I just doubt her own unsubstantiated reports of her public activism in stores and restaurants and whatnot--without an adoring audience to hear those enounters, it seems unlikely that they occurred. That is just my admittedly very jaded and cynical opinion, of course.

Did she really just suddenly "snap," though? Apparently she's been trashing DU at other sites for months, now.

I used to read SC a lot a few years ago, haven't been there in ages, though.

[PassingFair]

60. Methinks...

that there is not enough attention in the entire world for VetWife.

[linazelle]

17. I agree. nt

[TN al]

22. Interesting hypothesis...

...I recently encountered a DUer who would fit your hypothesis perfectly. Because I was bored last Sunday morning and his relatively low post count I took the time to research some of his other posts. (The low post count was noted to show how easy it was to find a majority of his previous posts not to show why I felt he was suspicious and yes I have no life.) Anyway what got me suspicious about him was how quickly he had made a non-racial issue into a racial one. What I found was that all of his posts had what I would call a consrvative bent to them but also the majority of them were railing about reverse racism. There are lots of other things to point out but I am already coming dangerously close to violating the rules so I will say nothing else other than I alerted the mods but as far as I know he is still around.

[SnoopDog]

23. It is the quality of Posts - not the Post Count...

Everyone has an opinion (duh) and yes, they are absolutely a Dem DUer... Sometimes our own opinions differ not because they are against us - maybe they are just mad at something or someone.

Anyway, an aspect of your post - 'yes, I have no life' is incorrect. You take the time to read and respond to DU - to help the cause - to restore our America - to take back America. So, I say thank you!

[not systems]

36. Yep that how it looks...

certain topic bring out certain cretins.

[Senior citizen]

21. No it isn't unbelievable.

It was inevitable.

I believe that in years to come there will be other revelations.

[Disturbed]

24. Remember the off the wall Tsunami post that..

was ridiculed by a few Lamestream places, making it seem that DU was a bunch of wak cases? Could that have been posted by a Rethug?

[ashmanonar]

39. that was way overblasted by the corporate media.

it was someone asking an innocent question, wanting to know the truth/possibilities, and the resident "debunkers" (ie arrogant assholes) got right onto pushing her off the site. most people on that thread were pretty straightforward but polite: but there were some people that really must not have liked her. don't know why, she seemed plenty nice.

the media especially cherry-picked that bc it seemed readymade for ridicule, even though it was just a simple thread. obviously an attempt to discredit du.

[TN al]

25. I don't know vetwife...

...and I only know about what she did by reading the reactions here but as soon as I read the reactions I was thinking "wait a second, they're talking about that gal from the other site who brags about posting here." I couldn't have been the only one here who knew that.

[coreystone]

26. On a Veterans Forum! She is a Veteran's advocate!.....

When a veteran returns to be healed from an illegal war, are you going to ask if they are Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Liberal?

Would you treat anyone differently??

:-)

I really don't think you know what you writing about!

Sorry!

:-)

[Senior citizen]

28. I would treat people differently.

I feel differently about the pro-war Swiftboat liars, for example than I do about most veterans.

Just because they're veterans doesn't mean they deserve my respect.

[coreystone]

42. If You Were An Advocate for Veterans?? , and their legal rights?

I didn't say respect, I said that she was an advocate for Veteran's rights! PERIOD!

:-)

[ultraist]

32. Did you read her posts on the conservative site?

I have a hard time believing she IS a Democrat. Just because she is a vet activist, so she says, doesn't mean she has carte Blanche to trash Democrats, including DUers.

[coreystone]

47. Hello! I'm an Independent that usually votes straight DEM!....

I live in a state with an (I) Senator and an (I) Congressperson. Don't y'a think its about time people started talking about ISSUES, rather than "rooting" for their favorite football team?

Actually, at this point, in this country, any Democrat that doesn't filibuster SS and any of the Supreme Court Justice Nominees isn't worth re-electing!!!!

Anybody here ever trash Lieberman? He's a Dem! How about Zell! He's a Dem! Come on! Let's get over voting for the High School Freshman President!

I OPENLY TRASH LIEBERMAN (D) AND MILLER (D)!

There are others, but, there are so many Republicans that make it so much more fun. The Dems don't have as MANY "rubber stampers" as the Republicans.

Sorry! I'm just "officiating" in this nonsense, and the administrators of this site were completely wrong on a Democratic forum to have "offed" vetwife!

[jonnyblitz]

33. yeah, right wing veterans forums nt

[Violet_Crumble]

46. She's a mod on a conservative forum...

n/t

[RetroLounge]

56. On a right wing forum that happens to be a vet forum

give it up alreaady...

RL

[jdots]

27. Look for the motives in threads.

Some questions asked on DU are maybe leading questions for research.and who the hell knows why the research is being done.

[Eric J in MN]

29. Can it be a different woman who also uses the name vetwife? nt

nt

[jonnyblitz]

31. her picture was posted at one of the forums next to her name

it was her.

[ultraist]

37. Her same poem was posted at that site too.

[Cleita]

35. There have been a few freepers that post here and

accumulate a lot of posts here as well as there. I don't know why. It seems that they have no idea what they believe in.

[Solon]

41. Hell, remember Carlos....

I remember butting heads with him a lot, and he had a lot of posts before being banned, and bragged about it later someplace else, forgot where though.

[depakid]

64. hehe- I kinda miss Carlos. Almost.

he was one stubborn bastard....

Tedious, too. I think he was OCD (obsessive compulsive). Time was, not a single thread could slip through here with the words "Nader" or "Green" on it that Jiacinto would let pass.

What finally got him 'stoned, anyway?

[Solon]

67. To be honest, I don't remember...

I do remember that he was one of those Libertarian types, or at least claimed to be. Even though the thing I most clashed with him on was the Death Penalty and a few other issues. I thought its odd that Libertarians would not trust the state with their money, but would trust it with their lives. :shrug:

[depakid]

70. Not sure he was libertarian

Kinda of a moderate to consevative Dem, I think.

I recall a few death penalty clashes with him myself- though mostly it was the Green/Dem wars.

Getting that boy to make even the slightest concession was like pulling teeth.

Ah, the good old days- Ulysses, Armstead & Abysthe all piling on Jiacinto & Mike Hersh. }(

Last I remember hearing, he got mugged somewhere in Florida... and sort of disappeared.

[Ms. Clio]

69. As I recall, he was warned by the admins to quit posting derogatory

comments about one of the Dem primary candidates during the period when it was DU policy not to allow any bashing of Dem candidates, and he just deliberately did so, anyway.

[Walt Starr]

48. Actually, a moderator of TWO conservative forums

not just one.

[jonnyblitz]

49. "oh but they're veterans' forums" (snicker)

please. :eyes:

[Orangepeel]

50. Eh, I wouldn't make much out of her being a Moderator

I'd never seen that site until someone posted a link today, but it looked like she'd joined days ago.

I guess it doesn't take much to be a moderator at a site with 60 members.

[Rex]

51. DU is big, many people here are what some call Moderates.

It doesn't amaze me at all. I've seen people post in the thousands that I thought were conservative pricks. They still post here. How bout we just be thankful we have a forum full of diversity.

[applegrove]

52. I think that there was tons of money floating around "freeperville"

during the election. They had to do something with the money and kept some freepers still on salary for a few months. Who else could they harass? Now Clearchannel et al are back to trying to make money and the $$$machine has finally run dry.

Don't worry - they'll come back for August 2006 when the next election is on and the taps are open again.

I don't know vetlady (or whoever) but 5000 posts seems like an awful lot of free time to spend just to hurt & annoy others.

[Corgigal]

53. I'm thinking the same way

she must have a new CD to market to them and is using our "outrage" as a selling point.

I know of no other DU'er who had such a need to toot their own horn as much as she did. Of course I have no idea if she did half shit she claimed either.

[Fescue4u]

55. Was it this guy?

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=latimestswhitehouseturnstablesonformeramericanpows&sid=37138445&mid=339


As you can see, there was a little DU vs freeper thon going at yahoo.

The freeps got their ass kicked good, but I really wondered about the legitimacy of the above post.

With this thread, makes me think he was being truthful (if a freep can ever be truthful)

[neweurope]

75. I DO think that it's being organized by the Bushistas. Even in GERMANY.

"Spiegel online" poll concerning Bush was freeped before the election - Spiegel broke off the poll saying it had been freeped by US citizens. Now I ask you - given the intelligence of the average freeper how many would even KNOW that other countries have internet, too, much less know a liberal online magazine? In German, at that?

I'm absolutely convinced that they have volonteers who complain and disrupt and spy and whatnot wherever they can.

These guys are organized VERY well. We on the other side are not organized at all. We just mean well. That's why they're winning.

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