I guess suicide is hip now.

[MikeG]

What a cowardly and selfish act.

Cowardly, because he took the easy way out.

Selfish, because he now is giving others an excuse to do the same thing because he did it.

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[MikeG]

2. It's no excuse. And I do know about it.

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[mattclearing]

20. Technically, your comment is against the rules...

...but I do agree that when someone is as prone to intoxication as HST was, having that many guns handy is a recipe for eventual disaster.

I just hope he knew what he was doing.

[RetroLounge]

61. Technically it's not

but feel free to hit the alert button...

RL

[7th_Sephiroth]

5. actually

Suicide IS a trend in japan, it seeps back from a culture of tradition, in wich suicide is a part of said culture

[WMliberal]

23. aye, the highest rate by far of any industrialized nation.

It's more than part of the culture; it's romanticized in their literature and religion.

[7th_Sephiroth]

32. its one reason why

the japaneese population is shrinking at an alarmingly rapid rate (thier also the worlds largest user of condoms, trendy condom shops can be seen from place to place)

[Walt Starr]

6. Bingo

The cowards are the ones who threaten suicide for attention.


Those who suffer through depression and complete suicide never let anybody know of their plans. They just complete their suicide and shock everybody.

[Dark]

101. Actually they usually drop as many clues as possible, trying to get others

to notice their intentions.

You're right in that they never actually threaten suicide, but they do give hints, hoping someone will intervene to save them.

When someone doesn't, then for them the lonliness is confirmed. They then feel that they have verified that no one cares about them, and that they can and should kill themselves.

[tinonedown]

3. Feeling the same way

And began posting these feelings. I am angry, but have decided to vent it elsewhere. In a pillow or something.

[JanMichael]

4. HST did not make suicide "hip."

Ernest Hemingway did.

Sorry you are so pissed; some people just can't make it all the way through this life.

I don't know how old you are, but I suggest that you learn to get comfortable with the fact that some people just aren't as strong as others.

It's a very sad thing...and it hurts survivors....but, it is not going away.

Stephanie

[hlthe2b]

24. Sadly with the decimation of any social safety nets given our national

debt, and Repug plans for SS, medicare, medicaid, we may see an epidemic of suicide in the elderly. If we can not provide the help they desperately need, we are complicit in this tragedy and have no right to judge. I only pray we can turn this situation around and help all to live out their lives in dignity.

[Mandate My Ass]

7. So is pissing on someone's grave, apparently

[Egalitariat]

22. That's been a favorite activity here for awhile***

nm

[Mandate My Ass]

28. Oh, I forgot how when everyone does it that makes it right.

[livinginphotographs]

8. Who are you to judge him?

He was a human being, not your possession.

We have no idea why he did it, what he was going through, etc., and we definitely don't have enough info to call him cowardly.

[MikeG]

10. What if someone does it to emulate him?

[JanMichael]

16. What if he was emulating Hemingway?

I can't stand the "emulation" crap.

If someone wants to eat a shotgun shell because HST did it, then 1. you probably won't hear about it, and 2. that's between them and their family.

[livinginphotographs]

36. Well, first we need to ban Marilyn Manson and GTA.

After all, they're responsible for more murders and baby sacrifices to the devil than HST could ever manage. /sarcasm

[RetroLounge]

63. Bullshit

I guess we had a rash of Kurt Cobain inspired suicides then?

Stupid. fucking. thread.

RL

[UdoKier]

74. There are 6 billion people on earth.

We're not about to run out.

This planet is a bitch to live on, who are you to blame someone for choosing not to?

[man4allcats]

35. Hear! Hear!

Hunter Thompson was no coward, and as for selfish, with his writing he gave us all more truth and compellingly radical literary style than we are ever likely to encounter again. Thank you for countering the earlier very judgemental post.

[Desertrose]

9. more an act of desperation.....

"What a cowardly and selfish act."

You know, thats a really cold comment. I can't imagine how awful it would be to feel that suicide is my best option. Quite frankly I think it takes great courage...certainly not the best answer, but still....those who choose that option are usually not thinking too clearly.....

very sad....

DR

[trumad]

12. I never understood how suicide is cowardly?

I don't consider myself to be a coward, but there ain't no way I'd kill myself. I'm way to chicken to do it.

Would you consider the Japanese suicide bombers cowards?

[MikeG]

18. Yes.

[bleedingheart]

19. I would consider them brainwashed....

[Stirk]

72. Yeah- I dont' get that, either.

A clinically depressed person who commits suicide isn't cowardly, they're mentally ill.

And Christ, people who intentionally kill themselves for a goal are the furthest thing from cowardly. You don't have to support tactics like those employed by the kamikazes, suicide bombers, or the 9-11 attackers to recognize that pulling it off would take a hell of alot of guts. Call it what you like, but it certainly isn't cowardly.

[mattclearing]

13. Particularly among journalists. n/t

[bleedingheart]

14. I don't know how death can be hip...

twice my brother tried to kill himself and it put my family, especially mom, through the wringer.

The second time I had him committed and told him that he had to start to listen to the doctors.

Funny thing about depression...people will take pills, use a gun or jump off a building but yet there isn't an urge to call for help...luckily my brother got two reprieves and is now alive and well.

[zippy890]

33. Men are less likely to ask for help than women

and more likely to use violent means.

I have been sick with severe depression. It is a living hell, where every moment is painful beyond description.

My heart goes out to HST's family and friends.

[giant_robot]

41. I don't get it either.

Not to be flippant or sound snarky, but what good is killing yourself to be cool when you're not around to be cool? Is post-mortem coolness that important to some people?

BTW, I'm glad your brother is well now.

[DistressedAmerican]

47. How can you claim he did it "to be cool"

That is rediculous!

He was ill and depressed (or offed by someone else).

You have no freaking idea what was inside the man's head.

[giant_robot]

65. I was respoding to bleedingheart's statement in post #14

stating, " I don't know how death could be hip."

I neither said nor implied that he did it to be cool, nor did I say or imply that I know what is going on in his head.

[DistressedAmerican]

103. My Bad. Apparently I misread. Sorry.

[hlthe2b]

15. Whoah.... I don't know why Hunter S. Thompson took his life and won't

speculate. I also understand why many feel it to be the ultimate in selfish acts, having felt the impact her father's suicide had on my mother her entire life. But, I also recognize that depression can become so devastating, terminal illness so painful, and life's events so seemingly hopeless that some feel it to be the only course of action. As, I can not truly put myself in their shoes, I believe I do not have a right to be judgmental.........

[MikeG]

21. There is no good reason.

[Desertrose]

26. so says you

and you are the expert on all human affairs and able to judge us....

hey does the "G" in MikeG stand for GOD?
:eyes:

[hlthe2b]

27. Quite easy for you or I to say.....

Have you ever truly, honestly, and completely felt hopeless? I've teetered a bit in that direction, but never gotten that close, thank God.

[Cocoa]

17. cheap moralizing

[TWiley]

25. If you had the same thoughts, emotions, and experiences

that he did, maybe you would have come to the same conclusion.

Or, are you somehow smart enough to think your way out of suicide if you happened to find yourself in the exact same emotional / biological shoes that he was in?

[TahitiNut]

29. But calling a dead person "cowardly and selfish" is brave?

Strange. Smells a bit like calling the poor "lazy." The most defenseless are the easiest to attack, I guess - at least that's our military strategy. So, I guess it makes a good social strategy, too. :eyes:

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[tiredofthisstuff]

66. Here, Here

You nailed it right on the head.

[Minstrel Boy]

31. "Cowardly" in the flying airliners into tall buildings sense?

Suicide can be tragic, stupid and desperate, and much else, but I wouldn't call it cowardly. And that's not to call it heroic.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. Depression can be a fatal disease.

It can make you feel as if your entire life is devoted to nothing but pain and hurt and loneliness. It can make you believe that these feelings will never end. It can take away all hope and desire leaving in it's wake a pain filled hole.

Why some people refuse to understand depression is a serious and sometimes fatal illness I don't understand.

[Swede]

37. You obviously have never suffered from depression.

When you have,post about being cowardly and selfish.

[nashville_brook]

38. if you followed HST, this is no surprise -- nor is it cowardly

he was sick with depression. when he was young he could turn that ennui -- that DESPERATION into genius.

he's been rattling on about Revelations and gambling for years. i wonder if he didn't sit at his desk every night for years with one bullet in the chamber and pull the trigger before bed.

[havocmom]

39. Unless you personally know what he was going through, what possible

health problems, pain he was dealing with, you are making some pretty pompous judgments there. Do you know whether he had some condition of aging which was going to diminish his faculty or ability to live independently? Do you know every ache his body may have been enduring? Do you know what he saw clearly with his superior vision?

Who are you to be the judge? And how do you know what he did was easy or cowardly?

I know someone whose dad was a brilliant professor. He had cancer but few knew it. For a long time, the cancer was not aggressive and he could function. Suddenly, the cancer got very aggressive and ugly. The future promised a long, painful death which would require much medical care and expense. The professor did not want his family to use all their resources caring for him in what would be a losing venture. When the pain and debilitation got bad enough, when the stage was set for his loss of independent function, he chose the time and circumstance of his own end. His family was grieved, but the still had a home and his wife still had their modest savings.

How sad for you to think you are wise enough to decide for others what is right about their own end. How sad and thoughtless.

[Old and In the Way]

40. Depends on your definition of coward, I think.

I suspect Hunter had no plans to see his dwindling days spent in a nursing home or under supervised care.

I see no real content in your OP. Looking for little attention and a high thread count?

[Skinner]

42. This comment is incredibly insensitive.

In fact, that's the kindest thing I can say about this.

I don't know the details of Hunter S. Thompson's death. I don't know if he was depressed or drunk or terminally ill or whatever. But usually, when someone takes their life, they don't do it because it's "hip". Nor do they do it because they are cowardly or selfish.

They do it because they are fucking desperate.

I know people who have struggled with depression. I gotta say that "cowardly" is the last word I would ever use to describe them. I think "courageous" is more like it. Every fucking day, you just feel like shit, you can't do anything, and you don't know why. And then clueless assholes tell you to "snap out of it," as if you can just wish yourself healthy, and they tell moronic stories from their own personal experiences with "depression" like, "Gosh, you know, I was really upset when I didn't get picked to be the lead in the the school play, and I was really sad, but then I just thought happy thoughts and it made it all better! See? It's all in your head!"

Ditto for passing judgment on the terminally ill. They are not cowards, they are courageous. I hope I never have to face months of constant, excruciating pain and suffering followed by certain death. What is the point of hanging on for a couple more months if your quality of life is complete crap and your death is guaranteed? To show that you're not "selfish" and a "coward"? To hell with that.

[zippy890]

80. Very well put , thank you eom

[steve2470]

83. Amen Skinner ! You are 100% correct and I applaud you eom

[Dark]

104. The act is still cowardly and selfish.

It's true that those who suffer with depression suffer terribly, but it's also true that depression is VERY treatable. Even placebos have an astounding rate of success. And meds aren't the only treatment.

Suicide is selfish, but I can understand why. For them, they cannot see anyone who cares about them, so they don't see a reason to live. They don't know that other's do care about them.

It's not something anyone should have to live with. It's also not something anyone has to live with.

[Lars39]

105. Not everyone responds to treatment.

[Padraig18]

106. *applause*

Beautiful!

:thumbsup:

[seabeyond]

43. hm, my mom committed suicide 7 years ago, i would beg

to differ with you

but then that would be thru actual experience

[Desertrose]

45. I'm so sorry, seabeyond

that has to be one of the hardest thing for those left behind to deal with.....I hope you have found peace with it all.....

:hug::grouphug:
DR

[seabeyond]

48. this is why i say i see differently. it wasnt hard to deal with

i watched, i understand. circumstance created it, i watched. she was my mom. she had a shift in brain chemical. i watched. she started drinking and being given pills. i watched. i held her as she cried in desperation, i watched, i didnt get it.

she made her choice. it is not all that she was. i understand, i love her, she gave me so much i will always have. and we honor her. nothing less

i am not afraid of death. she taught me. i think we fear it not just for ourselves but what it may create for those we love. i know, i know, giving my all now, will help those i love to be in peace. because all is done. there was not one more thing i had to say to mom for her to know my love. and she certainly did not need ot prove to me

i say this all, cause, the lessons in, the praise of all we are given, in honor of hunter

[Desertrose]

53. I'm glad you got to share the end with her...

you saw the process....you got to say all the words ....even the unspoken ones ...you sound like a very together person for this world and these times.....its so cool that love can do that....

:hug:
DR

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[twenty2strings]

46. Suicide survivors want you to shut up about things you don't understand.

That would be me. :mad:

[seabeyond]

52. and you dont need to shut up. i didnt get it either

i happen to have faith, that in simply sharing, opinion or sensitivity to, will change

i prefer that than battle and fight about it. tired of the fighting too

[MadHound]

49. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Starting with a little scripture instead of the grenade I was originally going to lob.

How dare you judge anybody like that? Have you even a clue about what somebody who is suicidal is going through. I've lived through depression, and yes, I've stared down the barrel of a gun. It wasn't bravery that got me through it pal, it was anger and stubboness. And judging by Hunter's writing, I think that is what him got him through his rough spots also. And after the last election, perhaps he didn't have any anger left, I know a lot of people like that, who have just gone into bunker mode and hope that it all goes away.

Have you ever known somebody who was terminally ill with a painful disease? I have, and somehow I doubt that you could take it, in fact I would be willing to bet that you would be begging for mercy within a month.

That you can so callously moralize and judge an act about which you have no clue about the circumstances involved says more about you than any other message you're trying to convey. And you know what, I feel for you, for you are lacking in empathy, compassion and kindness. What a sad little existence you must lead, where the only joy that you partake is by feeling morally superior to people whom you have no clue about. You know what, with a small sad worldview like yours, it is quite possible that you to will someday visit that long dark pit of dispair. Come back and tell us how brave you are then pal.

[maxsolomon]

50. i thought some of the same about cobain

because he left his daughter to the tender mercies of courtney love. if you didn't want to be a rock god, just quit.

i don't think its "cowardly" though.

it is selfish by definition.

and others are not looking for suicide role models as much as you would like to believe.

[Swede]

54. How much pain he must have been in to do that?

It's not selfish,just realise this is depression.

[seabeyond]

56. it is selfish by definition.

what if..............the chemical of brain shifts so, the thought is.....

this will be better for those i love. i need to leave for their sake. this is a good thing

now without the chemical shift, of course a person would realize their value

but the chemical shift has created a brain that says, you have no worth. ergo..........depression

[Taxloss]

51. Oh, so you need an "excuse" to commit suicide?

You're just sitting around saying "I wish I could commit suicide, but I haven't got a good enough reason". Did you put in any thought AT ALL before you wrote that?

And if you think it's an easy way out, then there's something wrong with you.

Jeez, the man's body isn't even cold yet.

[callous taoboy]

55. I'll go with what Ed Abbey says re: suicide-

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

[soleft]

57. I once read that for some suicide is actually an act of self preservation

When faced with a dibiliating mental or physical illness that can rob a person of their identity, suicide can actually been seen as a way of saving that self from disintigration.

On the other hand, I know someone who's mother committed suicide on her birthday. That seems like an outrageous act of cruelty - so I can understand why survivors can feel such feelings of betrayal and anger. Life on this planet can be utterly cruel and senseless - if I were abandoned by someone who decided to take their life, I would feel anger at being abandoned, but having experienced what clinical major depression is like for myself, I hope I would find peace eventually and empathize with their need to end their pain.

[twenty2strings]

58. I am sorry..I just got really mad...It is hard..I'm sorry. I can't judge.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

59. Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes

and the Patriots are still the Superbowl champs. :P

[trumad]

60. Who said this after Kurt Cobain committed suicide?

"Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just -- he was a worthless shred of human debris..."

You'd expect comments like that from the folks on the right.. not the ones on the left...

BTW: Rush Limbaugh is your answer.

[Cleita]

62. Until you can fit into the suiciders skin, you can't judge them.

I'm thinking though that these suicides and accidental deaths of people who are in opposition to the PNAC agenda, and who have a real chance of bringing them and the Bushlers down by their words and/or actions, should be investigated even if it's just a group of bloggers with resources digging around behind the scenes.

There is something very suspicious here with so many untimely deaths in the past decade. Whether or not the family wants to honor his need for privacy, or have been told to honor it or else, these are dire times deaths like these from other than natural causes should be investigated until there is no doubt that there was a single-handed act of suicide, even if the public is not informed of the results for awhile.

Well, I tend to wear a :tinfoilhat: a lot.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

64. Until you've been to the depths of desperation, best not to talk

as though you know.

[theboss]

67. Teenage Suicide. Don't Do It.

Teenage Suicide. She blew it.

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[TinyAshes]

70. When all else fails:

We could just quit fighting about it, and remember him fondly. That's my crazy ol' opinion on it.

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

71. Oh that is such utter bullshit.

At the lowest depths of my depression, every day was a fucking nightmare. I felt like a drain on everybody. How the fuck are you supposed to feel when the people around you see you as selfish for not participating in life. How the fuck are you supposed to feel when they keep saying "Why can't you just get over it, I did..". As bad as it was, the people around me made it ten times worse with their bullshit criticisms.

People commit suicide when they have no hope left. How the fuck can you blame someone for giving up when they see no light at the end of the tunnel. It's pulling the plug. You call it selfish? I think the people that sit here and say "He was so selfish for taking his life" are selfish. Think about him for fuck's sake. He's the one who lost it and is now dead and you think he's SELFISH because you can't read his articles anymore?

[UdoKier]

73. I guess self-righteous pontification is hip now.

Nobody has a DUTY to live on this earth if they don't want to. Thompson was 67 years old. He had plenty of time to contemplate what he did. I have no idea what kind of maladies he had to deal with, but if he didn't want to, I can respect that.

And jumping willingly into the void of death, having no idea what, if anything awaits you, is hardly cowardly. I would NEVER be able to do that, unless I was in the most exquisite agony and terror.

Maybe it's from having lived a long time in Japan, where suicide is much less abhorred than it is here, but I see nothing wrong with ending one's own lif in the time and place of their choosing. I wouldn't do it myself, and I would be angry if someone I depend on did it. But if my dad or mom was wracked with cancer, and was ready to end it, I would send them on their way with nothing but well-wishes.


How is it that you are so judgmental? Are you like 17 years old?

[wicket]

75. Amen!

n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

76. How do you know he wasn't terminally ill? There are several other ???'s

I could ask but I think most people here are already asking them in their heads if not out loud. HST knew bush and several of his associates. He was an investigative journalist. Even if he hadn't uncovered something about this mess we're in maybe he uncovered something that led him to believe he was better off dead.

He was an avid drug user and I would think since he obviously enjoyed them that he would know EXACTLY how much of them he could take to make his death VERY comfortable.

Even if he did do this he certainly wasn't a coward.

I AM A COWARD! I couldn't do this to myself out of fear I wouldn't do it right and have to endure pain or live in a condition that I could not finish the job. I have had enough experience with IV medication to even fear that as a method of death! Intravenous medication can be VERY painful. It can burn like hell and make your heart race so fast you think you are having a heart attack.

My father-in-law was SOOOOO much like HST in his thoughts and political beliefs and just the way he lived his life in general, I almost wonder whether they knew each other. In fact, their voices were so similar I felt as if I was listening to my father-in-law the one time I heard HST's voice. They were even in the Air Force at approximately the same time. My father-in-law appeared to many to be a depressed man, but when faced with TERMINAL cancer made it known that he wanted to use every method available to him to prolong his life. Even I would have expected him to "take the easy way out" as you call it. HE SUFFERED HORRIBLY INSTEAD!

I think you were being sarcastic but even so the implication is that a man that lived 67 years of his life on the edge just suddenly decided he'd had enough and decided to end it. That is NEVER the case! There are always reasons. those reasons are different for everyone. For me, I think it would take a freight train going 100 miles per hour straight at me with no way out, and even then, I think I'd opt for the freight train out of some fear I would suffer more at my own hands. I'm just unable to rationalize my fear of pain or the hope that I MIGHT survive.

[DS1]

77. Do you feel better now? Validated?

:eyes:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

82. Should we bring up the New England Patriots?

Showing more sensitivity toward a football match up than the suicide of an icon is a sign that some thing is quite right here mentally. :eyes:

[DS1]

85. But Stillers Fans are nothing but class!

My head :hurts:

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[JVS]

89. Hey, Mike G is cool and long live the Steelers

[DS1]

92. He spoke for all of you plenty of times

and that's as far as I'm taking this, I didn't mean to threadjack, nor do I want to with something as irrelevant as football

[Bunny]

93. He never spoke for "us" in a subject like this. And I'll leave it at

that, also.

[merh]

78. Having lost 2 very close friends to suicide at different times in

my life, I understand exactly what you are feeling and why you posted what you posted. :hug:

Your anger is natural, give yourself time and try to understand that you don't know what was going on to make him take his life. Try to understand and forgive. :hug:

[JanMichael]

79. Oh Christ; please lock this thread

It's ridiculous.

[merh]

102. Like I said, I have lost some very close friends to suicide.

It is a selfish, cowardly act, at least that's how many of us who have been personally affected by it feel. The pain it causes loved ones is intense, more intense than an unexpected death due to illness or accident. It's a shame you cannot be as sympathetic to the living as you are to the dead. He was a man, not a hero, not a god, and he did what many perceive to be selfish.

Even all those who post about his actions as if they were/are heroic, "well he went out on his own terms" depicit it as selfish, they may not label it as such, but that is how it comes across. "The hell to the rest of the world and how they feel and how this will affect any of them - it's my life and I am taking it - I am control until the end." To some that may appear a tad selfish.

As I said, having lost loved ones to suicide, the emotions it evokes are tremendous and can be crippling. As a victim, I still to this day wonder what would have happened had I gotten my loved one to see a therapist, spent more time with them, told them I loved them more and that their life mattered, took away the guns, et cetera. So many what ifs.

The original posters comments are not wrong, you may not agree with them, but they are how he feels and he is entitled to his anger.

Don't have the thread locked because he was expressing his feelings. If you don't like how he feels, then just ignore them. Trying to understand them would be better, just as I have tried to understand yours. Don't hide from the emotions that he posted, don't hate him for them. Just accept that they are legitimate emotions.

[Guaranteed]

81. My girlfriend's brother committed suicide before he turned 30.

She was, and still is, many years later, extremely hurt by and angry at him. He was depressed, and I know what that's like. But what he did wasn't fair to her, or the rest of his family.

Suicide is not a victimless act.

[Cleita]

86. Death in general isn't victimless.

Those left behind always suffer, however, what seems like senseless death hurts more. However, we can't know what drives a person to take their life. I did have a friend who survived a suicide attempt of slashing her wrists. I can't imagine inflicting that kind of pain on myself willingly so I asked her what drove her and she said her emotional pain at the time was more severe than any physical pain she could feel, so like I said you can't judge unless you are in their skin.

[AZCat]

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[K-W]

87. There is nothing cowerdly or selfish about choosing the end of your life.

It can certainly be done in cowerdly and selfish ways. But that is besides the point.

[porphyrian]

90. Now? Cowardly? Selfish?

People have been committing suicide for a long time before Mr. Thompson decided to join their ranks. Though I thought he was a cool writer, he certainly didn't have the monopoly on hip, and he wasn't the hippest suicide ever, either.

Who the hell are you to say his suicide was cowardly? Could you kill yourself right now? Did you know him so well personally that you can back that up, or have you just decided that all suicide must be cowardly?

How is his suicide an excuse for anyone else they don't already have? If someone wants to kill themself, they don't need excuses anyway. You're being selfish criticizing him for his decision on what to do with his life without any concern for what he might have been going through to bring him to it.

[Tinoire]

91. Wow. Just wow. n/t

[MikeG]

94. I see a lot of moralizing about me.

My uncle committed suicide.

It was not pretty.

I have a strong opinion about it.

None of you know me.

This thread is very enlightening.

[porphyrian]

95. You chose to post here.

You don't know us.

We have our own opinions.

If you didn't want to hear ours, you should've kept yours to yourself.

[Mandate My Ass]

97. So we should've followed your example and not moralized

about someone we've never met and whose circumstances we have no clue about, right?

Sheesh.

[seabeyond]

98. hey an that is why i didnt go over the line

of your own life. you are right. many people that experience suicide feel exactly like you do. i just dont. i will at times say, boy mom what you are missing out on. she did it 4 a.m. dec 26, just had christmas day with her. if she had made it thru the nite, who knows, may never have thought about it again.

you are right

but i experience it differently. so respectfully to you mike g

[MikeG]

100. The memorial service was in 1988. I still remember it.

[Silverhair]

96. Again? Remember M*A*S*H theme song? NT

[porphyrian]

99. For those who don't...

M*A*S*H Theme Song Lyrics

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
'is it to be or not to be'
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you choose.

[Moderator]

107. Locking

This has become a flame war.