Guckert is officially out in front of the scandal

[Walt Starr]

With the Washington Post interview, Guckert has been able to get out in front of the scandal. He's hammered home the "Personal Life" angle with no counter offensive whatsoever in the MSM.

If the progressive talking heads do not hammer home the FACT that this is all about his PUBLIC INTERNET POSTINGS FOR PROSTITUTIOM THAT WERE STILL ACTIVE AS OF LAST WEEK, this scandal is dead on the vine.

It's about his public activities and how they relate to national security, not his personal life, but that shit doesn't matter if nobody in the mainstream is saying it.

[Dookus]

1. lol

Anybody who watched him last night on 360 would disagree. Guckert's only out in front in the sense that his lying hypocrisy is the foremost attribute of this whole deal.

Gannon had his big ol' top never-been-touched ass handed to him last night.

[Walt Starr]

4. Personal life personal life personal life personal life personal life

Anderson never ONCE called him on that crap and even used the same terminology.

Those two words are now the sound bite associated with the scandal.

[Dookus]

5. You make the mistake

of presuming that people who hear Guckert believe him.

[Walt Starr]

8. How many people heard him on 360?

Not too damn many.

Meanwhile, the quotes will be personal life personal life personal life personal life ad nauseum.

[Dookus]

13. I agree very few people saw 360

in fact, very people even know anything about this story.

I'm enjoying it immensely because it's a fun scandal. But I doubt 3% of Americans even know the first thing about it. Anybody who's pinning hopes that THIS will be the scandal that brings down Bush is deluding himself.

Now, there's the POTENTIAL that more will be uncovered, but right now, this scandal doesn't even come close to touching Bush. It MIGHT touch Fleischer or Maclellan, but without further cracks in the story, that's where it'll stop. But that doesn't make it any less fun.

[charlie]

11. So switch gears

Make him defend the indefensible. Middle America might give him a pass for his come hither pics, even if they're ookie about homosexuality. But they won't countenance him sharing his bathroom habits as a sexy lure. Start calling him Piss Boy or Toilet Guy or somesuch.

[flyarm]

42. please do this..if each and everyone on du sent these

pic out to 10 people and ask them to forward them to others..think how many people will see what gannon is about..that this is not some silly guy who happened to dupe the white house..
people even freepers have to know..what those pictures represent to our national security...write on top of the pics...is this what your tax dollars are paying for when this guy gets within feet of your president?? if the white house isnt secure from a prostitute..( dont say gay thats no illegal and is irrelevant) posing as a reporter how safe are our nuclear plants and our airports and ports??

ask the people you send the pis to that question...be your own media...we have no media ..so bitch about it or do something about it..be your own media..send those pic to ten of your friends..or ten family members..and ask them if it makes them feel safe!!

fly:hi:

[aquart]

39. Not for me.

I don't know this Anderson Cooper. Someone needs to ask him if he's a whore on the side, too. Because it's impossible to tell.

[K-W]

7. It doesnt matter what happened on cooper if the echo chamber

just pushers the past personal transgressions angle.

[Snotcicles]

22. Anderson should have offered him

an opportunity to get any other skeletons out like kiddy porn. Gerbil abuse before PETA gets involved.

[Dookus]

23. Why would you presume

that because someone is homosexual, they're also interested in Kiddy porn?

[Snotcicles]

26. I don't, just one of those right wing tatics I'd like to see

bite them in the ass.

[Dookus]

27. well

I'd prefer NOT to automatically link homosexuality and child-rape.

[NVMojo]

2. the msm needs a shot of Rovian viagra to do anything so it won't happen

[aquart]

3. His personal life is illegal. Prostitution is illegal.

Therefore, he is subject to blackmail and other fun coercions. Which means he's a security risk.

"Personal life," my ass. Or his.

[Walt Starr]

6. It doesn't mean shit if the left is silent in the MSM

IF nobody is there to counter the "Personal Life" lie, that's now the story.

Sorry, those two words are now the sound bite associated with the scandal. We have two days to counter it or this thing is dead.

[Mojambo]

12. Since when did the left aquire a voice in the MSM?

You're asking for an awful lot.

[Dookus]

16. actually

I don't think it's the job of daily journalists to argue against Gannon's characterization. That's the job of the pundits and the comedians. Now if Guckert would go on 60 Minutes, or even Meet the Press, I'd expect a much more difficult grilling. But I suspect he's not so stupid as to do that.

Guckert's admission that he's a gay whore effectively was made last night. It has to percolate a little before the mainstream response is made clear - but I don't think Guckert helped himself very much last night.

[Jawja]

24. But I remember

"it's not the SEX, it's the LIE" was the talking point when Clinton's personal life was being invaded.

In this case, "It's not the SEX, it's the CRIME." A man who was committing the CRIME of prostitution was given clearance as a "journalist" in the White House.

[aquart]

38. He's a male whore.

The White House gave secrets to a male whore.

Karl Rove knew a whore who would work for.......how much? A loyal male whore who would do his bidding. Because he was used to it? Anyway, CBS suggests it's Rove in their Rove puff piece.

Karl Rove is giving US secrets to whores?

Is that a good thing?

It ain't dead, Walt.

I can see the jokes now: You a journalist or a whore? Or both? How much do you go for? Intimate with Rove? Or Bush? Or McClellan? Bottom or top?

The media tries to bury it and we just keep asking. BECAUSE WE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE, CAN WE?

[flyarm]

43. i agree walt...!! n/t

[K-W]

9. Prosititution isnt personal.

His John's could argue it is thier personal life, he cant argue it was his.

[Kber]

36. Egg xactly

we aren't poking into (sorry!) who he had sex with on his own time (or his own dime for that matter). We are looking into his professional activities (as in the world's oldest professional activities).

[fooj]

10. Raw Story suggests that the NYT and The New Yorker are working

on stories to break this weekend! Don't know what will come of it...The Nashua Advocate also underscores the importance of doing some investigative digging on Eberle. I'll get the exact quote and post it here.

[fooj]

14. Here it is. I've posted a thread on GD-politics re: Eberle

Trying to put some info together on this jerk...and his brother! Here's the quote:
"We repeat: Talon News was created by Bobby Eberle to create a journalistic "haven" for Jeff Gannon (James Guckert), who had already been allowed into the White House in violation of White House regulations, which require any "reporter" to be associated with a valid journalistic enterprise. This is the smoking gun. The blogosphere must turn its attention to Eberle to figure out why the Republican community is suddenly hanging him out to dry, through patently dishonest denials about knowing him."
2-18-05 Editor/Nashua Advocate
≈

"THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN. THE BLOGOSPHERE MUST TURN ITS ATTENTION TO EBERLE"

Do you guys agree?

[Cha]

19. Thank you for this, fooj..

Sounds good to me..certainly they're are bigger fish to fry than guckert!

[Cha]

20. Have you seen this article?

"Rove-Gannon Connection?"

SNIPS~
Some of the real reporters in the White House pressroom were apparently annoyed at Gannon's presence and his softball, partisan questions, but considered him only a minor irritant. One told me he thought of Gannon as a balance for the opinionated liberal questions of Hearst's Helen Thomas. But what Gannon was up to was not just writing opinion columns or using a different technique to get information. He was a player in Republican campaigns and his work in the South Dakota Senate race illustrates the role he played. It is also a classic example of how political operatives are using the brave new world of the Internet and the blogosphere. Gannon and Talon News appear to be mini-Drudge reports; a "news" source which partisans use to put out negative information, get the attention of the bloggers, talk radio and then the MSM in a way that mere press releases are unable to achieve.

This week Democrats, who have serious case of Rove envy, went a little nuts and started sending around information and graphic pictures of Gannon and his porn Web sites. But it is the more routine part of Gannon's life that deserves serious scrutiny. Planting or even just sanctioning a political operative in the WH press room is a dangerous precedent and Karl Rove's hope to become a respected policymaker will be hampered if the dirty tricks from his political past are more apparent than his desire to spread liberty around the globe.

More at..
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/18/opinion/lynch/main675050.shtml

[KC21304]

25. Has Helen Thomas always been a " liberal " whose

opinions had to be balanced by a right wing nut job ? No. Helen has the guts to point out that this President's actions are beyond the pale. Democracy as we know it is in the balance.

By this reasoning, during Clinton's term, for every press person questioning Clinton's behavior, there should have been a "liberal" trashing Ken Starr's witch hunt. And of course we know that happened.

[Cha]

28. I know..their arguments are used soley for

the brain dead.

[flyarm]

44. absolutely..Eberle and blackwell..the convention bandaide guy!!

WE NEED TO DIG DEEP INTO BLACKWELL THE REP CONVENTION BANDAIDE GUY AS WELL AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO ROVE AND * THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER STORY ..GANNON/GUCKERT WAS THE SMALL POTATOE..WE NEED THE BIG KAHUNAS!!

LETS..

:nuke: EM!!

FLY:hi:

[loudsue]

15. Clinton's personal life was fair game: Gary Condit's personal life was too

So...what makes beef boy's gay prostitution out of bounds?? The fact that he's tied to Karl Rove and George bush??

No deal!

He knew about "shock & awe" 4 hours before anyone else in the media.
He knew the contents of the Plame papers while they were still top secret.
He knew about the Dan Rather "forgeries" before anyone else.
He had (carnal? ) knowledge on how to get a free pass to the press room that was denied to more credentialed journalists.
He was awarded a pass when still employed by a GOP web site.
He has pictures of himself spread-eagle on male gay porn web sites, showing his prices to prostitute himself.

He blew it (excuse the pun), and he only has himself to blame for the publicity he's been awarded.


:kick:

[Cha]

18. Right! RAm that in

their collective chimp lovin' face!

[Cha]

17. What surprises me..is that we ever

find out anything about the unethical backroom behaviour of the chimphouse.

Did guckert get busted on the internet and then the fascist media just Had to pick up the story somewhat?..to avoid looking totally guilty of malfeasance?

[fooj]

31. Bingo!!!

We didn't leave them much of a choice.

[merh]

21. Check it out, rawstory says MSM, including New Yorker, to be

covering jimmy-jeff's story in Sunday & Monday editions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1608643&mesg_id=1608643

[Cha]

29. This should be interesting to see how

far the fascist media goes with jimmy dale guckert.

[fooj]

32. Hi, merh! Things are beginning to get interesting!

What do you think about my post (#14)...I think it may be part of the answer-

[merh]

35. How ya doing, fooj! {{waving with a big smile on my face}}

:hi:

I agree with your post wholeheartedly -- we need to see if we can connect those dots and how Eberle plays into this.

Funny thing, one of the reviewers of jimmy-jeff used the moniker "spaceman". Eberle is an aereospace engineer. Is he a wanneebee astronaut?
http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/bulldogdc.html

Maybe the mainstream media will want to show the bloggers up and they will really investigate jimmy-jeff and his ties to the admin? Let's hope so.

[fooj]

37. One can only hope!

A big smile and wave right back at you!:hi:

[HR_Pufnstuf]

30. ahem..

who decided to stick his personal life (or career really) on the web for everyone on the planet to see?

[fooj]

34. Woe is me! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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[KT2000]

40. Isn't prostitution considered professional?

this guy was advertising on the internets.
OK - so a lawyer's income is based on personal behavior? his practices are personal?
Bush'w edicts for murder and torture are his personal behavior? The plumber who comes to my house is on personal time and the check I write is for personal services?

we are through the looking glass.

[flyarm]

46. PROSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL...END OF STORY! N/T

[Walt Starr]

48. The word "Prostitute" has not been spoken on the MSM

No leftwing talking head has spoken that word because they are chickenshit pink tutus who were to scared to attack while the enemy was in disarray.

[Walt Starr]

41. One day later, and the scandal is about to become the bloggers

Damnit all to hell! The Sunday stories are buried. The Sunday talking heads are ignoring it, and Guckert will probably sue Media Matters, throwing th scandal into the bloggers laps.

All because the left coudln't get their shit together and get on message. Now the story is about the evil bloggers attacking Guckert's personal life.

I'm appalled because this is what has happened to the left for more than a decade.

[yodermon]

45. you are blaming the victim.

nice.

[Walt Starr]

47. Bullshit

I am blaming Democratic Senators who could have gotten on message last week as a single unit decrying this bullshit but they donned the pink tutus instead because of the word "prostitute".

The Dems were fucking wimps and bent over for KArl to stick it to us again. The activists in the blogosphere handed them this scandal on a silver platter and they turned their noses up at it!

[Name removed]

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[Walt Starr]

52. Thanks for the personal attack n/t

[tinanator]

53. have a tissue

buck up. Youre the one pushing failure a bit quick.
And I do mean pushing.

[Walt Starr]

55. No, I'm pushing succes

and quick action before this thing is D-E-A-D

I'm NOT the one hiding his head in the sand, I'm laying out the facts right there for eveybody to see. We are about to lose on this one and NOBODY is doing a thing to stop it!

Those who would sit on high horses ignoring the fact that we are about to take a major hit and lose on this thing are the ones who have thie heads in the sand and are being naive.

[tinanator]

57. assertions, baseless, impatient, false

instant gratification is not a requirement after 4 years of this nightmare. didnt see Biden on Maher?
balls are just getting rolling here.

[Walt Starr]

58. The only baseless, impatient, false assertion is the one that goes

"we're not losing on this one".

They havev the sound bites now. They have the high road now, and it gets tougher to take it back every minute that passes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Walt, at least one Democratic Congressman is involved

in the child porn cover up. My guess is there are many more Dems also involved and they would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces if they pursued this story. I believe it's up to us to see this gets covered. The politicians aren't going to do a damn thing.

[tinanator]

49. load of crap

how much you want for what youre trying to sell?
surprised by the immediate behavior of the fascist media?
how amusing.
and of course, its the "left"'s fault.
OMFG youre a barrel of chuckles.

[Walt Starr]

51. No, I'm appaled at the lack of balls by the leftwing talking heads

Every last left winger on any talking head show this weekend should bring up this scandal regardless of the reason they were brought on a show.

The Democrats in the Senate should have been raising holy hell about this last week.

Instead, it's now a scandal about evil leftwing bloggers attacking a poor journalist's personal life.

Very few people read the blogs, so most of America doesn't even have a clue that Jeffie boy was a male prostitute.

[tinanator]

54. why do you think they call it fascist media?

Bipartisanship is alive and well when the oligarchy is threatened.
If the top Democrats were against Bush, he would never have made it into office.
and I never read a blog in my life. Hate the stupid word as a matter of fact.

[truth2power]

56. Sheesh! It's about what he does/did for a living...his career.

GodAlmighty!!! If these interviewers can't make such distinctions, they need some remedial journalism courses.

Actually, those in the mental health field know how to do this. It's about confronting (and in this context, "confronting" doesn't mean angrily shoving someone around). It's about teasing out the inconsistencies in the client's thinking. It's also about LISTENING SKILLS.

Client: "Everybody in my family hates me."
Therapist: "Everybody?"
Client: "Well, my Uncle Joe, he listens to me sometimes. Yeah, he
tries to be supportive."
Therapist: "So, at least one person seems to care about you." etc.

Dammit!! How difficult would it be, when Jimmy/Jeff starts bloviating about his "personal life" for the reporter to just say:
"Personal?" and then just WAIT FOR A FRIGGIN' RESPONSE! <banging head into wall> :argh:

[Al-CIAda]

59. I gett the definate feeling some here WANT it to go away and are helping

in that to defeat us with whiny posts and defeatist wet-blankets.

[Walt Starr]

60. I don't get that feeling

I get the feeling it's going away regardless of what anybody wants because NOBODY went against the "personal life" crap.

[Walt Starr]

61. Yep, this one will probably die on the vine today

and it's all because Democratic Senators are wearing pink tutus instead of cryig havoc and letting slip loose the dogs of war.

[Walt Starr]

62. And nobody would believe me

Here we are, two days later and the story is D-E-A-D!

[Auntie Bush]

63. They are all busy talking about the real important story of those

meaningless tapes. That's the real story!
We found out George the dope smoked dope. That's much more important than finding out there was a whore in the Whitehorse involved in politics and the Bush administration. I'm so glad the media know what's important.

PS Did you notice how OUTRAGED the Repugs are that anyone would secretly tape someones private conversation? MY, my!

[Walt Starr]

64. Yep, they snookered us on this one

Biggest scandal to hit 'em in ages and the misdirect was masterful.

[Blue_Roses]

65. it's not over

by a long shot. In fact, it's just beginning, 'cause there's nothing Gannon-Guckert or whatever the hell his name is can do about it. He can whine "my personal life" all he wants but he is the laughing stock of the press right now. They're too busy laughing right now but it's coming.

[Walt Starr]

66. Buehler,...Buehler

...

[YIMA]

67. Buck up!

At least the story will have a shelf life here. Look around, there's still posters starting threads on the Ohio vote and that story's been dead for a couple of months now.

:hi: