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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:13 PM
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Are Memes at DU Propagated? Has anyone mapped the propagation of memes...
in the blogsphere?

What blogs and discussion forums are most widely read? Do people see ideas at DU and post them on other forums/blogs?

It does us little good to just talk to each other. We will be far more effective if we can propagate ideas and frames into the mainstream and not stay self-contained.

What are a few of the most "important" sites other than DU?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:15 PM
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1. That is the stuff of doctoral dissertations, and a cool project, to boot.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:16 PM
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2. Forgive me for asking...
I simply have not figured out ...

What is a meme?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:25 PM
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5. one definition
http://www.lucifer.com/virus/alt.memetics/what.is.html
What is a meme?"
Glenn Grant: Meme (pron. meem): A contagious information pattern that replicates by parasitically infecting human minds and altering their behavior, causing them to propagate the pattern. (Term coined by Dawkins, by analogy with "gene".) Individual slogans, catch-phrases, melodies, icons, inventions, and fashions are typical memes. An idea or information pattern is not a meme until it causes someone to replicate it, to repeat it to someone else. All transmitted knowledge is memetic.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:29 PM
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11. Thanks my friend...
I did not even think to look it up in the dictionary..

I thought is was a DU or other abbreviation or similar.


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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:25 PM
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6. A meme...
I think Richard Dawkins coined the term.

It's supposed to be equivalent to a gene in cultural information. I.e. an idea, a worldview, values, or beliefs. So talking about that stuff in memes allows you to examine how they spread and replicate, etc.



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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:28 PM
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10. Memes are contagious ideas, 'viruses of the mind'
They can start out as simple catch phrases or ideas about how things are, and they spread out through a culture like a contagious virus, until the entire world view of the society is changed.

Internet forums/blogs are a new way to deliberately launch memes. Because of the connectedness and instantaneousness of the Internet, memes can spread with lightning speed as people see an idea on one site and post it to others, and so on.

The notion that this is what is happening, to some degree at least, is what inspires me to bother typing up my ideas and posting them.

Wikipedia on Memes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Meme Central
http://www.memecentral.com/

Google 'memes' for lots of links, some very technical and some very common sense.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:40 PM
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13. Memes: A definition
Coined by Richard Dawkins in the book The Selfish Gene. Dawkins created the word to represent the basic building block of an idea. Like a gene it is the smallest component of an idea or instruction set.

Meme are copied by the human brain. As we grow we collect more and more memes. As memes gather together they can form more complex structures called Memeplexes. These large structures are what make up things such as language, math, art, or any other complex learned thing.

There is conjecture that our consciousness arises out of these structures. Susan Blackmore has written a book called The Meme Machine which addresses this issue.

Some memes can act like virie. Infecting a mind and turning it to its own purpose. It is conjectured that cults work in this way.

In marketting and PR circles the word meme is used to refer to new ways of thinking of things that they wish to introduce into the public's mind. Taling Points are a strategic sort of meme. These are the boiled down ideas the interested group wishes to pump into the public's mind.

In it's simplest usage a meme is just an idea.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:18 PM
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3. I wouldn't want to be a public figure with skeletons in my closet.
MSM is going blogs blogs blogs for a couple weeks now. Should start a big of an explosion of memes.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:26 PM
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8. Memes are ideas - idea patches in the brain as it were that
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 11:28 PM by applegrove
political operatives use to win elections. Roosevelt is definitely a meme. Churchill is one. Each lights up a whole network of brain activity when the idea is activiated and has attachments such as New Deal, SS, Hero, father, help the poor, for Roosevelt and we use that often these days. Churchill's might tie into KICKING HITLER'S ASS USING ONLY BLOOD, SWEAT, TOIL & TEARS , Britain, bulldog, finest hour, integrity, etc. IMHO

How I see it anyway.

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:22 PM
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4. CNN uses a site that counts up stories
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 11:23 PM by ultraist
and graphs out activity per story per site. But I have not heard of a site or software that counts specific memes although I'm sure the gov't uses some type of software to monitor sites by counts of "certain" words.

Someone told me that all phones are tapped and use this same type of software to count "certain" words.

I think ANTIchoice was coined on blogs (opposed to prolife). This is just the type of word we need to get out in the mainstream.

Do we have a list of Democrat phrases, things like, birth tax?

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:26 PM
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7. What is a meme?
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:31 PM
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12. I asked too...look above for answers....
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:27 PM
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9. Have you been here?
www.blogpulse.com

Tracks articles and links being discussed on blogs.

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:58 PM
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15. I think that's the site CNN uses to monitor blogs
It does track key phrases! I didn't know that.

"Phrases whose frequency of occurrence has increased over the past two weeks and blog entries that showcase the past day's burstiest themes"

We should test it out using one specific phrase.
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OxQQme Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:04 AM
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16. Defifnition of meme
"What is a meme?"
Glenn Grant: Meme (pron. meem): A contagious information pattern that replicates by parasitically infecting human minds and altering their behavior, causing them to propagate the pattern. (Term coined by Dawkins, by analogy with "gene".) Individual slogans, catch-phrases, melodies, icons, inventions, and fashions are typical memes. An idea or information pattern is not a meme until it causes someone to replicate it, to repeat it to someone else. All transmitted knowledge is memetic.

Tony Lezard: Richard Dawkins, who coined the word in his book The Selfish Gene defines the meme as simply a unit of intellectual or cultural information that survives long enough to be recognized as such, and which can pass from mind to mind. There's not much of a sense of describing thought processes, but nor is it just a model. As Richard Dawkins writes (this is from memory), "God indeed exists, if only as a pattern in brain structures replicated across the minds of billions of people throughout the world." (Of course the patterns aren't physically identical, but they represent the same thing.)

Richard Dawkins: Examples of memes are tunes, ideas, catch-phrases, clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches. Just as genes propagate themselves in the gene pool by leading from body to body via sperm or eggs, so memes propagate themselves in the meme pool by leaping from brain to brain via a process which, in the broad sense, can be called imitation. If a scientist hears, or reads about, a good idea, he passes it on to his colleagues and students. He mentions it in his articles and his lectures. If the idea catches on, it can be said to propagate itself, spreading from brain to brain.
Memes should be regarded as living structures, not just metaphorically but technically. When you plant a fertile meme in my mind, you literally parasitize my brain, turning it into a vehicle for the meme's propagation in just the way that a virus may parasitize the genetic mechanism of a host cell. And this isn't just a way of talking -- the meme for, say, 'belief in life after death' is actually realized physically, millions of times over, as a structure in the nervous systems of people all over the world.

H. Keith Henson: A meme survives in the world because people pass it on to other people, either vertically to the next generation, or horizontally to our fellows. This process is analogous to the way willow genes cause willow trees to spread them, or perhaps closer to the way cold viruses make us sneeze and spread them.

Peter J. Vajk: It is important to note here that, in contrast to genes, memes are not encoded in any universal code within our brains or in human culture. The meme for vanishing point perspective in two-dimensional art, for example, which first appeared in the sixteenth century, can be encoded and transmitted in German, English or Chinese; it can be described in words, or in algebraic equations, or in line drawings. Nonetheless, in any of these forms, the meme can be transmitted, resulting in a certain recognizable element of realism which appears only in art works executed by artists infected with this meme.

Heith Michael Rezabek: My favorite example of a crucial meme would be "fire" or more importantly, "how to make a fire." This is a behavioral meme, mind you, one which didn't necessarily need a word attached to it to spring up and spread, merely a demonstration for another to follow. Once the meme was out there, it would have spread like wildfire, for obvious reasons... But when you start to think of memes like that -- behavioral memes -- then you can begin to see how language itself, the idea of language, was a meme. Writing was a meme. And within those areas, more specific memes emerged.

Lee Borkman: Memes, like genes, vary in their fitness to survive in the environment of human intellect. Some reproduce like bunnies, but are very short-lived (fashions), while others are slow to reproduce, but hang around for eons (religions, perhaps?). Note that the fitness of the meme is not necessarily related to the fitness that it confers upon the human being who holds it. The most obvious example of this is the "Smoking is Cool" meme, which does very well for itself while killing off its hosts at a great rate.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:49 PM
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14. I think it's kinda like a think tank
( I didn't know what a meme was, either) I think the ideas will make their way into the mainstream, anyway. I don't think It can be stopped 'Great minds think alike.' It's like the collective unconscious in the blogosphere. I think ideas inspire each other and morph. Still it probably is good to spread the word. Go to other sites. Bet it happens all the time. Even people that can't or don't login come by to spy. Voyeurs..intellectual voyeurs.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:11 AM
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17. Been doing this on the Netscape Forums for a long time now.
Particularly on the bi-partisan board. People simply do not hear about the stuff we see here. On average a story we see here takes three or so days to get posted there. And it is limited stuff. I sort through articles i see here to determine what will not FRY their sensibilities and post there. So many people are so UNAWARE that blasting them with the heavier stuff flips them out. I mostly post stuff there that serves as freezing water in the already forming cracks. It is working.

We REALLY need to get the word out.
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