OLD PHOTO: nixon greets POW john mcCain after his release

[diamond14]

it's sad the mcCain will NOT stand against bush* torturing POWs...one wonders how he can justify his conscience on that...or is it just typical reTHUGlican: POW torture is OK, because approval is standing with the pResident....looks like mcCain stood with tricky dick "I am not a crook" nixon...pathetic....this must have been taken AFTER nixon resigned (1973), since the Vietnam war wasn't over until 1975, when gerald ford was president....



Public photo of President Richard M. Nixon greeting released US officer and POW and future US Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) after Vietnam war

[flygal]

1. McCain is one of the biggest disappointments

I was actually a supporter of his during the primary of 2000 - got my first "sniff" of how rotton * was and just wasn't sure of Gore. I'm now a huge Gore fan and think McCain is starting to attract flies himself. jerk.

[MADem]

2. A complex man, McCain

Despite the fact that he was a war hero, and his daddy and grampa were both senior flag officers, they never promoted him past 0-6. Kind of stunning, and telling. It should have been a slam-dunk.

He was an asshole to work with at OLA. Mean, nasty, brutal, rude/crude to the women, just a shit....everyone put it down to the imprisonment at the time, and either avoided him, or gave him a pass. I think he has gotten better over the years, but he was NOT a nice guy when he was working on the Hill. In fact, there are people still there who will go purple and need a blood pressure pill if you mention his name.

It's a pity. He could be a force for great good. I personally have trouble with the lousy treatment he gave his first wife...but I guess family values only count if you are a democrat. Silly me!

[chicofaraby]

3. Funny you should mention Nixon...

I ran across this purported Nixon quote today.

"When the strongest nation in the world can be tied up for ... years in a war ... with no end in sight, when the richest nation in the world can't manage its own economy, when the nation with the greatest tradition of the rule of law is plagued by unprecedented lawlessness, ... and when the President of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration - then it's time for new leadership for the United States of America."
-- Richard Nixon, 1968

Coould Tricky Dick be giving us advice on what it will take to dislodge the current cancer in the White House?

<<when the President of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration - then it's time for new leadership for the United States of America.">>>

[Stand and Fight]

5. That, my friend, is a Richard Nixon quote...

It is from his acceptance speech of the Republican nomination for president at the Republican National Convention in 1968.

[diamond14]

10. more LIES from nixon....he ran promising 'Peace with Honor' in a

plan to withdraw from Vietnam, and Americans wanted that badly...but nixon LIED, and the WAR-PROFITEERS did not want the war to stop, because they were making MILLIONS OF DOLLARS...the same war-profiteers that operate today, who are demanding that bush* wars continue FOREVER (brown and root, now part of halliburton, lockheed-martin, dyncorp, SAIC, etc. etc.).....


nixon LIED....he tricked the American people, and was referred to often as 'tricky dick'....nixon continued the VIETNAM WAR for SIX MORE YEARS until his resignation, after he promised to end it.....and THOUSANDS more American were KILLED....the war even continued AFTER nixon resigned for ANOTHER year....

[Psephos]

7. Powerful quote n/t

[ultraist]

8. How apropos!

I'm going to include that in my next LTTE about Bush!

Welcome chicofaraby! :hi:

[newyawker99]

15. Hi chicofaraby!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[punpirate]

4. Nixon resigned in...

... 1974, and the prisoners were released well prior to his resignation. This photo was at the White House, if I recall correctly.

[diamond14]

9. the Vietnam war did not end until 1975.....when ford was president

The so-called nixon peace agreement was just a bad JOKE on Americans....the POWs remained....the war did not end until 1975, and even then, POW's and American Troops were abandoned in Vietnam...and thank you for correcting me: nixon resigned on August 9, 1974 (I mistakenly wrote 1973, but it's late here, sorry)...


Jan. 28, 1973
Vietnam Peace Pacts Signed; America's Longest War Halts

The peace agreements were as ambiguous as the conflict, which many of America's friends first saw as generous aid to a weak and threatened ally, but which many came to consider an exercise of brute power against a tiny nation

The agreement was signed in Paris, between U.S. Secretary of State William P. Rogers and South Vietnam's foreign minister, Tran Van Lam. Mr. Rogers and his Washington-based aides flew home immediately after the ceremony. Unexpectedly, Mr. Lam went with them.

Mr. Sullivan remained in Paris to receive the list of American prisoners from Hanoi and to hold further technical meetings on the many unsettled details of how arrangements are to be carried out.

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/specials/saigon/peacepact.html

The Paris Peace Accords were later signed on 27 January 1973 which officially ended US involvement in the Vietnam conflict. This won the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize for Kissinger and North Vietnam's Prime Minister Le Duc Tho while fighting continued, leading songwriter Tom Lehrer to declare that irony had died.

The peace agreement did not last.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war



the Fall of Saigon, April 25, 1975

[punpirate]

11. It sounds to me as if you didn't live through this time....

The first POW releases began in February, 1973:

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=21203361

Nixon began removing troops in large numbers beginning around the same time. This was due to the agreements the US signed in Paris in January, 1973, as you note.

From late 1973 through the fall of Saigon in April, 1975, South Vietnamese troops were principally fighting the war. Some US troops remained, but they were not the main force there after about late 1973.

Cheers.

[diamond14]

12. looks like you're working off a military propaganda site...

yes, I lived through the whole Vietnam war....my cousin was KILLED in Vietnam (HM3 Navy medic, Silver Star, Purple Heart, 19 years old, KILLED...his father died from GRIEF shortly after losing his only son)...most of my colleagues were SHOT UP badly, or returned PTSD, or in a box....from 1973-1978, I worked near the VA Hospital, just off Colorado Blvd. and 11th in Denver. Every day, I went to the VA for coffee and visited with OUR troops, who were badly damaged with their faces blown off, their bodies blown apart, breathing tubes, feeding tubes, urine drainages, diapers, wheelchairs, no legs, arms, etc, etc., just sitting in the lunchroom...NOBODY would even look at them because they were so GHASTLY...and nobody would visit them, they were abandoned even by their families...but I did..just to keep them company, and let them know that somebody cared, even if it was just me....today, I live in OUR Nation's Capital, and I visit with the badly damaged Vietnam Vets who are sleeping on the sidewalks, homeless, damaged and abandoned....whenever I have time, I buy a homeless Veteran a cup of soup or a cup of coffee and a donut, and talk to a Vet...nobody else does....bush* has abandoned them all, just like nixon did....

[punpirate]

13. Well, sorry, what am I to think...

... when you didn't know when Nixon resigned. You didn't know the timetable for POW releases, thinking (erroneously) that they did not occur until after Saigon fell in April, 1975, that Nixon had to be meeting McCain after Nixon left the White House.

I simply provided the link to establish the time of the first releases, because you didn't accept the recollections of someone who was following events carefully at the time.

In fact, the POW releases were staggered over a period of a few months in 1973. The North Vietnamese wanted to be assured that Nixon was going to hold up his end of the deal signed in January, 1973--withdrawal of US forces from Vietnam.

Cheers.

[diamond14]

16. sadly, many American POW's were LEFT in Vietnam when nixon's

crazy war collapsed...the GREATEST and most expensive MILITARY in the World, defeated by a third world country without an airforce or a navy...and America threw EVERYTHING at those people: napalm, agent orange, over one half MILLION troops, air force, navy, army, marines...chemical, biological weapons of mass destruction....and America was still DEFEATED.....as the American troops were run out of Vietnam in 1975, many many Americans were LEFT BEHIND....POW's, injured, even active duty troops in remote locations...all were LEFT BEHIND...nixon's peace agreement was a JOKE, another TRICKY DICK on the American People....

your comments DEGRADE those people who are still trying to find their loved ones from the Vietnam War...their POW's many not be important to YOU, but they are to me and to many others....the American POW's who were left behind, and never got to appear on PHOTO-OPS with nixon, like mcCain did, being the son and grandson of prominent U.S. Navy admirals (John S. McCain, Sr. and John S. McCain, Jr.)....many others were NOT released, the nixon peace agreement was a bad JOKE and the PHOTO-OPS obviously tricked YOU, but those photos do not trick me....go to your military PROPAGANDA site for your info, and you will NEVER know the truth about Vietnam....



http://www.vva.org/committee/pow_mia/

This web site is dedicated to finding the MISSING POW/MIA from the Vietnam War.....

February 14, 2005
League Update

POW/MIAs – VIETNAM WAR: There are now 1,842 Americans listed by the Defense Department as missing and unaccounted for from the Vietnam War – 1,403 in Vietnam, 377 in Laos, 55 in Cambodia and 7 in PRC territorial waters.

[Straight Shooter]

6. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. eom.

[elsiesummers]

14. Just remember McCain admires Ronald Reagan; IMO, he copies his voice.

If you listen carefully, seriously, the next time you listen to McCain, close your eyes and listen.

He deliberately tries to sound like RR. This is a McCain gimmick.

I used to think he was ok (not great, but talked my mom into voting for him in the open VA primary in 2000 on a lesser of evils theory, thinking a choice between Gore and McCain would at least prevent a disaster like *).

When he campaigned for Jeb in FLA, that was when I really washed my hands of him.

He is a craven opportunist, above all. I have no doubt he would be a better president than the current usurper, but hell, a lot of people would be a better president than *. Lieberman would be a better president than *. Barnie would be a better president than *.

McCain deliberately copies Reagan's voice. Deliberately. He clearly would teabag * if it would make him president.

I have no respect for this guy, because the closer you look, the worse he wears.

Compare the way McCain holds up to any of the potential Dems - Hillary (she's certainly been under the microscope but hasn't crashed and burned), Edwards, Clark - they all wear well. The more we see of them the more worthy they become. This says something about our party.

The more I see of Reid the better I like him. Even after Dean's extreme press coverage, he is recovering nicely.

McCain is so over. The only people who haven't figured this out, McCain being one of them, haven't looked closely, yet.