China/Mexico/Africa EXEMPT from Kyoto emmissions laws...true or false?

[leftyandproud]

in an argument with a freeper...

says 3rd world and developing countries are exempt from most of the Kyoto regulations, meaning the law would encourage employers to move American jobs to those countries..

He also mentioned a "carbon tax" would only be applicable to America and other industrialized nations. Is a carbon tax part of Kyoto? And would it really raise the price of gasoline .50-.60 per gallon?

I need the truth before I can honestly debate this.

[bryant69]

1. I don't know

Only those nations who chose to sign the Kyoto Treaty are bound by it--have a lot of third world nations done that?

Bryant
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[TheFarseer]

2. I don't think they are exempt

And I'm not exactly sure on this, but I think the thing is that those countries you mentioned could easily just not follow the agreement. Who is going to tell China, "do it or else"? There's not any good way to enforce the agreement on some countries, and that argument makes at least some sense.

I don't know anything about a carbon tax.

on edit - and of course countries that don't sign the agreement won't follow it.

[TO Kid]

3. True

The Kyoto deal only restricts emissions on 35 developed countries.

[leftyandproud]

6. well, this means his conclusions are correct

looks like I lose.

[Selatius]

4. I believe China is exempt from the protocol

At least, the article seems to be pointing towards that statement. Read under "Too Costly?"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=753&e=1&u=/nm/20050216/sc_nm/environment_kyoto_dc

[leftyandproud]

7. but China is HUGE

they should be able to afford it

[Canuckistanian]

11. Hugeness has nothing to do with it.

China wanted to be considered a "developing nation" and back in 1995 you could make the case that they were.
But certainly not now.

The irony is that although China is exempt, they recognize that Global Warming effects are real and are actually taking steps to cut emissions and curb excessive consumption.

That's more than the US is doing.

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. Developing countries who signed Kyoto can trade emissions

with the developed countries - so that if they implement schemes to save carbon dioxide, they can get money for it, while the developed country gets the 'carbon credit'. This should help prevent jobs just migrating to wherever you can churn out loads of CO2.

There is no carbon tax implemented by Kyoto - it's entirely up to each country to decide how to decrease CO2 emissions.

[cthrumatrix]

8. India and China

[Massacure]

9. Only the people who ratified it are bound by it.

The U.S. is not a part of Kyoto, and so gas prices won't go up here.

[Canuckistanian]

12. Who says gas prices must go up?

You're assuming a "consumption tax"? Most countries are considering things like emmissions trading, tax breaks and subsidies for alternative energy companies. You know, INCENTIVES.

[DrWeird]

10. They're developing countries.

half truth, i.e. a full lie.

[sandnsea]

13. Kyoto needed more work

Kerry repeatedly said so, Dem Senators repeatedly said so. But you don't turn your back on the efforts of 12 years and all the countries in the world. You keep at it until you get it right. Because we abandoned leadership on it, we've got a flawed plan. That's the point.

What happened to "global warming is junk science"? Don't let them jump on the damned global warming bandwagon now. Their stand was that there was no such thing as global warming, make them own it before you debate anything else with these asshats.

[leftyandproud]

14. looks like all of our senators turned their back on it..

I've been reading up on it, and when the vote came up, it was 95-0

ouch.

[sandnsea]

15. It needed more work

That's never been disputed. A vote from the Senate is alot different than walking out of the negotiations altogether. Besides, it was a sense of the Senate vote, not an actual vote directly on Kyoto.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoSenate.html