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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:15 AM
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Disgusted With wal-mart.......?
Remembering the Ohio Art Company Workers in Bryan, Ohio
who lost their 'Good Paying with Health Insurance Jobs'
when wal-mart forced Ohio Art (Etch-A-Sketch) to use
wal-mart's subcontractors in Communist China.

http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/walmart_accountable_cwa/step1.tcl

Put yourself and your neighbors out of 'Good Paying Jobs'
and shop wal-mart. :)

http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamerica/walmart/
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:18 AM
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1. Thanks for the info
I hate Wal-Mart
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:33 AM
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5. Cheap goods, shoddy goods. Exploiters of the worst kind.
The Waltons should be embarrassed. However, if progressive populism gains a toehold, things will have a chance to swing back for the American worker and small business owners.


"Sam Walton in 1986 making a case in Little Rock, Ark., that buying American products could be the answer to the country's trade deficit." Uh huh.

http://www.time.com/time/time100/builder/profile/walton.html

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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:15 AM
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13. Maryland is trying to pass legislation against Wal-Mart to
force them to provide medical benefits.

The law is that any business of so much size who doesn't spend a certain percentage on medical care will be illegal---Wal Mart is the only company in Maryland who applies
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:17 AM
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14. Don't think the Waltons care
about anyone but themselves. Sam Walton had some common sense but the rest of the family is just a bunch of white trash pigs who will bully and bribe anyone so that they can make more money.

I think that your right about progressive populism gaining a toehold because of issues like Wal-Mart business practices. Even people who are nominally conservative can understand what Wal-Mart's business practices do to a community.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:19 AM
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33. Sam Walton really didn't give a shit about anyone except himself...
what you are remembering is a carefully fashioned image and legacy to deify the guy who started the destruction of the small business owner. The Walton family has for decades taken billions in tax revenues from the small communities it relocates to and ships the money in buckets to Arkansas. If you haven't read In Sam We Trust by Ortega, it's a great read.

One example: while openly advocating the 'Buy America' movement alluded to by the OP, "Mr. Sam" was soliciting bids on products from Chinese and Central American Sweatshops to get their lowest price. Then, the 'Buy America' program was to take their lowest price (the result of 11 year old girls working 18 hour days for 6 cents an hour) and go to an American factory to strongarm them into giving them the same or better price. So either a factory could refuse the contract and probably go out of business or lay off workers and cut the benefits and wages of the rest. Multiply this example by a couple of hundred thousand and you can see why the economy is in the crapper now.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:23 AM
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2. This is how they really destroy American jobs
Manufactureres should really boycott selling their products to Walmart because they are an awful customer. They demand lower prices every year from their manufacturers as the cost of commodities rise. There are only so many ways you can cut costs. Really, I think that selling to different customers at different prices should be against the law, but evidently such discounts are alright.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:37 AM
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7. The quality of the merchandise erodes.
Manufacturers are forced to cut corners to meet Walmart's price. Apparently, a name brand you buy at Walmart isn't the product it used to be. It makes you wonder how long that takes to spread across into other retailers.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:22 AM
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35. This may sound stupid, but I remember the Dorito's tasting worse..
from WM than from Kroger. Not just one or two bags, but I mean consistently worse. I don't shop at WM anymore, but I just remember that for some strange reason...
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:47 AM
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39. I suppose that it is possible
That would be one way for the company to get around losing too much on profit. They could save costs on their product going to Walmart since Walmart is paying a lower price by substituting cheaper ingredients there and maintaining their quality product elsewhere.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:26 AM
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3. ooh, good story in Union County, NC
the planning board went over wishes of town council and citizens and approved a plan for Walmart.

the next day, county commissioners disolved the planning board.

for that reason.

Snap!
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:38 AM
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8. This Good News is Highly Appreciated........!
And Thank You to the Proud Citizens and the Town Council
in Union County, North Carolina for the terrific Smile,
You have given to me.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:29 AM
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4. Thats the problem with this greedy ass country
Everybody has to buy and own all the crap in the world.
If people would buy less things but insist on buying american made things we would all be better off. Everyone would be working.
The opulence in this country makes me sick.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:34 AM
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6. Now we know how to take care of Walmuff! UNIONIZE ALL ...Then
they close! HEHEHEHEHE LOL ROFL
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:39 AM
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9. Didn't Walmart just close a store in Canada that wanted to unionize?
I thought I heard it on the news.

Everyone that ever shops at these mega-chains is guilty of killing off the local merchants. This includes Staples,Home Depot, etc.

I shop locally, pay more,and get superior service.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:43 AM
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11. Yepittty Yep! n/t
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:51 AM
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30. Yep their closing it...
They are a bunch of evil bastards, but at least they are predictable, last month I made a prediction that that store would close, and soon.

Here response #17:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2951993#2952249
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:40 AM
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10. I saw a PBS special on Walmart's techniques
They basically put several manufacturers or suppliers in a room and tell them, "OK, we know your business better than you do and this is how much we want to pay for your product. You can start bidding now."
And basically, it's a rush to the bottom, price-wise. And if a US company employing US workers can't compete with a Chinese, Taiwanese or Philippino company for lowest price, they lose the contract.

At this point, worker conditions don't matter, profit margins are slashed razor-thin and productivity is artificially boosted to the point of absurdity. Bye-bye, health coverage, so long decent wages, ta-ta, pride in workmanship.

As a result, companies are FORCED to outsource to third-world subcontractors where labor laws are "quaint", to quote Gonzales.

And all of this to support hairbrushes that are $2 cheaper, jeans that are $7 off the store across the street.

Never mind that the store across the street will go out of business and that factory job your dad worked at for 20 years is gone, forever.

The short-sightedness of it all is insane.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:52 AM
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12. Wal-Mart is anti union
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 01:54 AM by Jamastiene
anti decent pay (only $.20 more than minimum wage if you have 2 years of college) and anti everything good in this world. On top of it they have gotten by with monopoly for years. I miss Roses and Kmart. I despise Wal-Mart with an unbridled passion.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:19 AM
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15. Costco is the anti-walmart---shop there
Costco pays 40,000$ a year plus benefits to a full time stock clerk. A Walmart guy would make less than half that without benefits.

Costco takes care of it's people and they are very ethical and have good prices.

Costco is the best of the major retailers, by far
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:57 AM
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16. Walmart has to go defective
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 03:07 AM by I_Make_Mistakes
I hate Walmart ( I might go once a yr in desperation), the store, the parking lot, the clientele etc., but I broke down. My neighbor and I, EAGLES fans, were on a major buying spree that Super Bowls bring. She told me Walmart has this etc. I bought a pair of EAGLES boxers (female, but boxers are unisex). The button in the fly was missing, missing on all of them. Repugs, how low will you go?

I bought a pair of LEE jeans there, years ago. I grew up outside Reading, PA and know that LEE was quality. In Europe, both my tour mates and the Europeans, enjoyed the Lee brand, even though us locals were Levies 501 people. I might of worn (WALMART Lee jeans) 10 times and that is pushing it. They split over the mid hamstring, not the top and not the bottom, right in the middle. I have had jeans for 10 years that never split. I think WALMART is selling seconds.

Because of the DU people, I wrote to COSTCO, and begged them to open a store near here. They were polite and said that they had no plans for this area. I actually received 2 e-mails. Their CEO is a real democrat and Christian, whether professed or not. How do we get them to Nationalize and put WALMART out of business?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:05 AM
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17. They have many stores, and a solid reputation
I have never heard any complaints about Costco.
Wal-Mart is (literally in your case) a bunch of damaged goods.

I know a number of people who don't shop at Wal-Mart for various personal or political reasons.

They have a bad reputation and it keeps getting worse.

I would like to see a major boycott of Wal-Mart, one with media coverage
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:14 AM
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19. They eliminate competion
There is no competition here. We have Sams and BJ's. I live in NJ just 17 miles South of Philly. They have no competition. This is a BLUE area sending money on a RED company. I usually don't beg, but I said, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE come here.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:45 AM
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24. Taxpayers pick up Wal Marts bills all the time too
Building roads, parking facilities, streetlights for Wal Marts has cost US Taxpayers nearly 1 billion dollars in the last 10-15 years.

Not to mention the cost of ER visits by Wal Mart employees and their families---500,000$ per store on average every year billed to the taxpayer for Emergency care to those without proper medical insurance. That is just ER services bills alone. And that is for each store, every year---$500,000 we pay because Wal Mart is too cheap to pay their workers fair wages and provide minimum benfits
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:14 AM
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20. There is no Costco where I live
I even e-mailed them, BEGGING them to come and take over a store in my neighborhood that Target will be vacating.
They said they'd need a market of 100,000 or more. I told them there are 350,000 in my city.
I don't think I sold them. :(
But I tried!
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:31 AM
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37. That's odd.
I know there's a Costco in Prescott, AZ because I have family there (and used to live there myself). It's a mountain town of about 35K--even when you add in Prescott Valley, it's only a 50K market.:shrug:

Oh, and Prescott has a Wal-Mart, too. I only wish there was a Costco where I go to school:(
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:09 AM
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18. This is a good place to ask this question.
My son's family overseas sent us a $50 gift card to Wal-mart.
I don't want to use it, but I cannot turn down $50 as a single parent.
WTH can I do with this thing.
I've asked people at work who think Wal-Mart is the Second Coming if they'd buy it, but, (gee, guess what), they're too poor to come up with the $50 at once.
What can I do with this thing?
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:18 AM
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21. What would you get to donate it?
I think sometimes can donate and get a fairly reasonable return, why the heck not. If someone is gonna shop there anyway, just sell it for cost or donate for close to cost.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:29 AM
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22. Donate it for cost?
Huh?
When one donates something, it's a gift, correct? So I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
As a single mother, I get standard Head of Household deductions - this $50 won't help my return. I'd rather have the $50 because my car needs brakes - badly.
I'm just wondering if anyone knows someplace (e-bay?) where I could sell it and get the $50 and pay my handyman to fix the brakes rather than the Wal-Mart.

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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:30 AM
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23. Clark you and me
We can only do what we can. I think DU should put pressure on COSTCO to engage. They should look at their financial position and make decisions realistically based on th heir assessment of the competition. These fools don't understand the hostile climate created by WALMART. They think WALMART is Goliath, but COSTCO is David. I have been beaten down by this world and Clark you just filled my cup! We can win, we just have to want too, really bad.
We have to WIN, not for you and me, but for HUMANITY!
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:47 AM
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25. I think that might be a little dramatic
but it would be great if Wal Mart was put out of business by Costco, which is a much better store
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:17 AM
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26. Actually Clark, I replied to you
But my internet connection, died. I just tried to again. I think Netzero, might not like me here, because they are trying to bounce me again.
Check out the Federal Tax return on Charitable Donations. My internet connection was terminated, strange. I can't remember the whole post, but there is a section, that you can claim all charitable donations. That, is where I was sending you. I don't know if you are a home owmer, not, I am single and a homeowner, but not a head of household. Anyways, you could get a deduction for the charitable donation.
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:19 AM
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27. Read Clintons book
Where he talks about when Wal-Mart tried to sell American products then decided greed was better and all the companies that sold to them went under.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:22 AM
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28. I just read in the local paper in Iowa City, that Walmart
wants to supersize it's Iowa City store to a superstore. They did this in Coralville, which is now practically a suburb of IC. So then we'll have two WallyWorld superstores within 20 mi.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:50 AM
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29. I heard on the news tonight
A Walmart employee walked off with $100,000. in deposits. This is the one time I say, RUN TO MEXICO and disapper. I am sorry, but you give a person making probably minimum. Then you make them go to a bank with $100,000, OMG, you are just saying disappear.

My computer actually shut down in the middle of typing this. The whole nine yards, the bong, cleared desk top, sign off. I hit the power button, and here I am. Netzero, sucks, they have to work for somebody. I even, thought, I was powered off.

Here is a weird thing, whenever I hit, netz(e), my desktop start table appears (happened all the time). This is the second time that the computer went into shut down mode tonight.

Okay, this puter is very young in age.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:01 AM
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31. Gee, Ohio Art is in a red county
Which voted 2-1 for the jobs to leave their county

The Usurper 12,640
Kerry 6,481

They voted to lose their jobs, or at least their neighbors did. Bet they waited until right after the election to give the pink slips. Hey, at least gay people can't get married though, right?
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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:04 AM
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32. But you can save 5 cents on a bag of chips
;)
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RazzleCat Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:19 AM
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34. but when you don't make any money, you have to shop *
Its a vicious cycle. You earn poverty wages, and you need to save that "lousy" nickle for a bag of chips. I was out of work for two odd years, earning less now than before. I don't want to shop walmart, but about once a month I hold my nose and go. Why to save about $10.00 on those necessary items, tampons, dish / laundry detergent etc.. I hate it, I hate myself for going their, but I have got to cut costs. Yes I do use coupons, purchase the store brand, but even with all that, I still end up at * about once a month. Oh how I wish Costco was here. But till they come here, or I get a better job / reduce my was unemployed debt load, need to save those pennies, and you know the walmart worker can only afford to shop their too.
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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:31 PM
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41. True, and Costco isn't an ideal solution.
Most of their products are in huge quantities that will expire before you can use them all, or if you don't have much money, can't afford to buy the large quantity. Also, their selection is limited in some areas, and you're usually stuck buying name brands.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:25 AM
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36. In The Charges Against Wal-Mart, The First Should Be Treason
The portion of every dollar spent at Wal-Mart that goes to the wholesale cost of the good run's up the trade deficit with Communist China.

The Communist Chinese then use these dollars to buy US Federal debt (the money has to flow back somehow), and purchase oil reserves, most recently from Iran, Venezula and currently negotiating with Canada.

Not that they really have to purchase the reserves, since the US will not be able to afford foreign oil much longer. Remember, the 'miracle' of compound interest works both ways. At a 6% GDP yearly current accounts deficit, pretty soon we will have so much accumulated debt the only way out will be default. At that point, so much for the dollar.

Yes, the GOP, Wal-Mart, (insert favorite CEO here), all PatriotsTM.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 11:40 AM
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38. Wal-Mart to settle child labour charges
WASHINGTON — Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's largest retailer, will pay $135,540 to settle federal charges that it broke child labour laws, the U.S. Labor Department said.

The 24 violations, which occurred at stores in Arkansas, Connecticut and New Hampshire, had to do with teenage workers who used hazardous equipment such as a chain saw, paper balers and fork lifts.

Wal-Mart denied the allegations but agreed to pay the penalty. A spokeswoman for the Bentonville, Ark., company said Wal-Mart was preparing a statement.

Child labour laws prohibit anyone under 18 from operating hazardous equipment.

more

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1108305491140_5/?hub=World

(Wal-Mart is disgusting in EVERY way, I will NOT shop there even though I have to drive 40 minutes away to avoid them and purchase what I need.)
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GoSolar Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:20 PM
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40. Yup.
That's why I haven't shopped there for years.
Actually don't do much shopping for much besides groceries anymore.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:40 PM
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42. Won't shop there.
The backlash is building. Thornton residents stopped a super WM from being built at the intersection of a major highway.

'Course, they just moved it across the road into Northglenn. Sigh.
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