Adderall XR ... FDA Arm of Joseph Mengele from grave??? WTF

[lonestarnot]

http://www.legitgov.org/ Adder isn't that a poison snake?

FDA Won't Ban Drug For ADHD --The Food and Drug Administration said yesterday that it does not plan to follow the lead of Canadian regulators who took a drug for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder off the market because of reports that it has been linked to 20 sudden deaths and a dozen strokes, including some among children. The FDA said it has evaluated the reports on Adderall XR and does not believe the data warrant similar action in the United States.

[seabeyond]

1. my niece at 7 was being given this, along with 3 other drugs

we had to fight to get her off them

thanks for info

[lonestarnot]

2. Is this unbelievable.... What the f... kind of people would do this to

children and their parents who go to doctors trusting they will be helped?

[seabeyond]

4. people who want a quiet docile child the will tow the line

and not cause work. my niece has a foggy brain. takes work to remind her to do so many thing, even now at 12. she is spending time with us. i have my oldest son just like her. throw a little confusion in his world and he is out of it.

i have watched for a decade. the difference in our children today, i am pinning it on the mercury from vaccinations (this type of brain behavior), after all the years watching. so we created this in our children, from outside pollutants, and now we are medicating them to make our world easier

[Carni]

5. I Know a nine year old currently on zoloft, depakote and klonopin

I am completely appalled but there is nothing I can do to convince a long time friend (the kid's mother) that she should try an alternate route with him. First *the school* said he had ADD then it was ADHD (or whatever it is)Then it was obsessive compulsive disorder now that the drugs the child has been on (since age six and he has been on ALL of the ADD drugs at one time or another) are making him *violent* (the *violence* is bad behavior at school--hitting people and throwing things not staying in his seat etc) the school, the psychiatrists and whoever else have decided that he is bi-polar with psychosis. He just went on the above combination of meds and now he sounds completely doped up. The whole thing sickens me.

[seabeyond]

7. this is where i have been spending time the last 5-6 years

in these school. having a child so odd, and kindergarten they saying add, i said no drugs, gotta do the work, building the muscles that are weak. is who he is, will never fix, but help. give him life long tools. and it does take a lot of work, and patience, along with never allowing the child to be victim, or allowing him to get away with things because he is this way

i see it a lot walking into the boys school. this is where i have learned the power of touch. as much as we want to go to drugs, these kids spin out of control. i have learned different children need a different touch. finding myself doing it with kids all over the place. stops the spinning for them, so they can balance and think.

something is difinitely up with our kids.

[Carni]

11. What sickens me is how are these kids that are all drugged up

Learning anything?

They can't be...which means what kind of a life do they face as adults?

[hlthe2b]

3. This is ridiculous... All drugs carry risks and adderall

is clearly labeled in terms of risk. Twenty deaths are tragic but equate to a very low rate of serious events when one looks at world-wide numbers using. The drug is heavily regulated as a schedule 2 drug and carries clear contraindication language relative to cardiac abnormalities. While, as with ritalin, it should not be prescribed without clear indication and thorough medical evaluation, it is not to our benefit to have FDA react reflexively from one extreme to the other. We need FDA reform, but as we have seen with the Cox 2 inhibitors (ViOX) there are some who start extending their demands for banning to a wide group of related drugs with any Cox2/Cox1 effects, including ibuprofen, which has a very wide safety margin.

With all due respect to our Canadian counterparts, any decision here should be based on the totallity of evidence and not a kneejerk response from an agency under fire. This may include a thorough look at other medications and pharmoactive compounds these kids were using (including nicotine) and the extent to which they were evalated and monitored prior and during therapy (e.g., blood pressure monitoring). In Colorado, we are starting to see a dangerous trend in teens addicted to cigarettes (but attending schools in newly smoke-free communities. A combination of nicotine replacement efforts can be deadly when super high doses of caffeine, trading of ADD meds, including ritalin and adderall, willy nilly use of nicotine patches, gums and herbal active enenergy drinks, plus or minus chewing tobacco are used to try to alleviate their cigarette cravings or keep them "pumped."

On edit, I'm absolutely NOT saying parents should be required to put kids on these drugs--quite the opposite. But, there are clear indications for their use and these drugs to help many people, including those with serious sleep disorders including narcolepsy. My only issue is with our pushing FDA from "under-regulating" to "over-regulating." Neither is likely to be beneficial.

[lonestarnot]

10. Pharapraiser? n/t

[hlthe2b]

15. Such assumptions....

and so very wrong. Why is it, we lash out at our allies who try to moderate the discussion? I'm no fan of big Pharma. But, I'm also no fan of attempts to throw the proverbial "baby out with the bathwater."

[hlthe2b]

6. Name derives from ADD (attention deficit disorder)+ERALL not adder

FYI


Just to take the hyperbole down slightly.... :shrug:

[lonestarnot]

9. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet; derivative of name is

missing a point... Consequences to our actions are dire when socialization becomes more important than the child as is demonstrated here with adder snakes!

[hlthe2b]

13. Mixing two issues: I agree that the Big Brother efforts to force parents

to drug their kids--is absolutely appalling. But, this drug does help many with true need. Our demonizing the drug and pointing to FDA (a very embattled and demoralized agency that has had to weather direct political assault on their mission to regulate drugs and protect the public-- one in serious need of reform--but truly apolitical reform) does not accomplish the goal of defending the child from forced therapy they may or may not need. We need to keep these issues distinctly separate.

[lonestarnot]

16. Then tell me... What does defend the child from forced therapy? Law

suit? Class actions going to feds...letigious society you know... all that brainwash. You say "ridiculous" but you do not offer solution... What?

[hlthe2b]

18. Your solution is to ban a drug that has benefit to many many people?

My solution is to address the issue of forced therapy of children directly without hurting people who truly may benefit from adderall, (including btw, some children).

It is a civil rights issue at its core. How have we fought civil rights issues in the past? Government has the right to force therapy of children against a parent's wishes in life threatening events, as the courts have shown repeatedly with "religious objectors." That is quite different from forcing therapy to meet educational policy. This needs to go all the way through the courts. And, yes, even the current Supreme Court has made rational decisions in politically charged issues... Organize your faction and find the ideal case or even try a class action

Or, continue with broad based, unfocused action which may concurrently hurt others--including those who would normally support your efforts.

[BrklynLiberal]

8. FDA is bought and paid for by the pharma corps, as is the entire

Bush administration. Anything that will make money for drug companies is ok with this govt. I think there are many doctors that cannot be trusted. They are either paid off by pharma co's or own stock in the companies.
One MUST be responsible for finding out as much as one can about the meds one is given. You really should not trust anyone else to do the right thing without checking into it yourself. Always double check!!

[lonestarnot]

12. Or never take so much as a vitamin!

[hlthe2b]

14. Good luck with that.....

[trumad]

17. I tried numerous alternative treatments for my kid who has ADD

and guess what...the only one that works for him is Adderal 10mgs.

That's right... The kid went from a D student to a A-B student in a very short time. Plus... He's still the same punk ass smart aleck kid he always was. Another words he's still the same kid but now he's able to focus and use his wonderful mind with no problem.

[ernstbass]

19. My neice is on this medication

along with another stimulant and it scares me to death!

[Mend]

20. Stimulants, starting with Dexedrine,

have been prescribed for over fifty years without many problems compared to other medications. The study that should scare people is that 85% of untreated kids with ADHD end up in jail and 85% end up as substance abusers. There have been numerous surveys of inmates already in jail, and each one shows the vast majority have ADHD. We all wish there was some better answer than medication, but for now there really isn't. Some of these kids are so impulsive and have such poor frustration tolerance that they are dangerous to themselves and others. I think it is brain damage from pollution.