The Life and Moonie Times of George HW Bush

[Minstrel Boy]

Posted to my blog here. This also follows up yesterday's Honey Pot in the White House Press Corp post.


The Life and Moonie Times of George HW Bush

To follow up on yesterday's post, let's consider one of the enduring riddles of the Bush White House call boy scandal (that is, the other Bush White House, and the other call boy): why, of all the media empires to break the story and run with it, often page one and above the fold, was it that of the Unification Church?

The expressed purpose of The Washington Times since Reverend Sun Myung Moon launched it in 1982 has been to provide a conservative Republican voice in the US capital. Paul Weyrich has called it an "antidote" to The Washington Post, its "liberal competitor." (Yeah, me neither.) The unexpressed purpose has been to win for Moon influence over US politicians. Sometimes, the two are in conflict. In fact, to succeed, on occassion they must be.

Perpetual deference makes for a fine doormat, but I've yet to wipe my feet on one of influence. And certainly Moon hasn't shovelled more than a billion dollars down the Times' boiler to have Republican feet, even Bush feet, wiped upon his satin robes.

So I'm wondering (and it's thanks to this discussion generated by yesterday's post): did the Times initially play this story as big as it did in order to win influence over the Bush White House? In other words, Look - we got the goods - what you gonna do about it? The Times said it had the names of Spence's clients, and that they included politicians, as well as military, media and business figures. Blackmail, it's called in impolite circles. This could explain why the scandal was made to go away virtually overnight, the names undisclosed. Because, they did something about it.

"In the early stages of the Reagan Revolution that embraced The Washington Times and Moon's anti-Communist movement, it was embarrassing to be caught at a Moon event," wrote The Gadflyer last year. "Until George H.W. Bush appeared with Moon in 1996, thanking him for a newspaper that 'brings sanity to Washington.'" That was while on an extended trip to South America in Moon's company. A Reuters' story of Nov 25 of that year describes the former president as "full of praise" for Moon at a banquet in Buenos Aires, toasting him as "the man with the vision." (And Moon helped Bush out with his own vision thing, paying him $100,000 for the pleasure of his company.) Bush and Moon then travelled together to Uruguay, "to help him inaugurate a seminary in the capital, Montevideo, to train 4,200 young Japanese women to spread the word of his Church of Unification across Latin America."

Bush praising Moon as "the man with the vision":


And I can't help but wonder about Moon's "enthronement" ceremony last year in the Capitol's Dirksen Building, in which he crowned himself humanity’s "savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent." The coronation was attended by Representatives Danny Davis (D-Ill.), Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) and others. Davis, in white gloves, placed a jeweled crown on the head of the Reverend's wife. Asked later if he thought it unusual, Davis replied "I see people crowned. I go to parades quite a bit … the queen of the homecoming parade, queen of the festival."

Rep. Davis, left, crownbearer:


Moon had better have something on Davis, or else I have no respect for him.

The Saviour of the World, and Mrs:


By the way, it was nice to see Scott McLellan's predictable snort of derision, calling the Gannon story "just a wild conspiracy theory". In uncertain times, it's important to have some things we can depend upon. And I hope he keeps it up. The more he plays the "conspiracy theory" card, the less power the words have to injure, and deter legitimate inquiry. Because if everything is a conspiracy theory, then someone really ought to be teaching this stuff in university.



And here are some interesting comments that were posted to my blog:

AWGB said...

Jeff:

*With regards to this excerpt from the Gadflyer article:

"But now that he's forged unbreakable ties with conservative Christians, Moon has moved on to African-American ministers, and, through them, allies in the Democratic Party. This has been below the radar of the press, but not for lack of outlandishness. Moon celebrated Easter Sunday, 2003 by launching a coast to coast series of "tear down the cross/Who is Rev. Moon?" events, targeting pastors in poor neighborhoods. From the Bronx to L.A., Moon's people were convincing pastors to pull the crosses off their walls and replace them with his Family Federation flag. An old hymn was invoked: "I'll trade the old cross for a crown."

*Do you think this is why there were no crosses allowed at the Bush Inauguration (initially) but then, after protest, allowed?

*Here are some interesting quotes from Moon's website, some of them really creepy, especially the part about Bush Sr. being removed after four years.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/bush.htm

"Who is greater, President Bush or Reverend Sun Myung Moon? Why do you say Reverend Moon? My nose is wider, my eyes are smaller, and I am shorter than Mr. Bush. Also, Mr. Bush is white and I am a colored man.. The United States is an advanced country while Korea is still developing. Reverend Moon's background is not so great and his support is not so powerful, while President Bush has the support of the whole country. But, strangely enough, many people in the world are saying, "Reverend Moon is greater than Mr. Bush." Why is that? It is because nobody else can take the place of Reverend Moon. Mr. Bush will be replaced by the next president, perhaps after just four years.

. . .

"Now Bill Clinton has come to office and is in the same position as Carter. How can Clinton lead America? How can he be any better than any of his predecessors? Only through the help of Reverend Moon will Clinton be able to lead this country successfully. I had a great plan for George Bush. After I met with Kim Il Sung, I worked very hard on a proposal which was a concrete and workable plan, and I offered it to President Bush. But he did not pay any attention to this offer from Reverend Moon. What has happened to him since?"

*Geez, if Moon has that kind of power he claims he has, then he is the King of the USA, and effectively picks the president. I wonder if he has Arnold on slate for 2008.

Moon is likely the driving force behind the "religious right" in the USA. They are his puppets and they take the flak from the left while Moon moves behind the scenes keeping them afloat with money he's bilked through the faith-based initiatives. Salon writes:

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/10/09/march/index1.html

"In 1998, investigative reporter Robert Parry revealed how a Moon subsidiary organization funneled $3.5 million into a nonprofit organization in Virginia, in a scheme intended to ease a major financial crisis at Rev. Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. Falwell has been ubiquitous at Moon-sponsored events since at least the early 1980s when he led a chorus of complaints that Moon was "persecuted" rather than prosecuted on criminal charges of conspiracy, perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his federal tax fraud case. (Moon was convicted and spent 13 months in federal prison.)"

*I guess when a guy like Sy Hersh writes articles stating things like "we've been taken over by a cult" he is really writing in a literal sense.



Anonymous said...
From NarcoNews.com:

"Senator Domingo Laino sees a different pattern in Moon's acquisitions. "There are two principal branches to Moon's interest in Paraguay," he said, "control of the largest fresh drinking water source in the world and control of the narcotics business", which is so prevalent in this area. "President Lula told me that Brazil took serious measures to curb Moon a few years back as it became evident that he was buying up the border between our two countries," said the senator.

http://tinyurl.com/6stkq



AWGB said...
Oh yeah. According to Rick Ross, the Moonies were ordered to pay 29 million yen to 20 ex-followers for brainwashing them. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif138.html

More creepy moonie quotes (lots of good stuff here):

http://www.retakingamerica.com/sun_myung_moon_001.html
"Any politician who wants to run for president will come to me in a few years."
Sun Myung Moon, Today's World, Nov./Dec. 1994, p.19"


Here's a list of moonie front groups: http://www.tlem.org/moon7.htm


4:39 PM
Anonymous said...
It is probably worth adding to my 4:35 comment, that in January, NarcoNews also reported (without specifically mentioning Moon) that new land smuggling routes have recently been opened between Brazil and Paraguay.

http://tinyurl.com/6cvws

[seemslikeadream]

1. Keeping James busy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3093198&mesg_id=3093198&page=



:toast:

[KoKo]

3. This is an Exellent read for those who are "newbies" who don't know

and thanks for the post... The MSM is still "cowering" in their hidey holes and trying to apologize all over themselves for GANNON...but he's the KEY to getting the "connections" out.

[blm]

5. It is an excellent read. Too bad so many don't acknowledge the seriousness

of the Moon connection.

Too bad for this country.

[Old and In the Way]

23. Can you give us some background on this pic?

A rather informal pose with the elder Bush, no? Or is this photoshopped? Enquiring minds want to know.......

[seemslikeadream]

26. Sure Old and In the Way it came from here

I found it on image google

http://www.balanze.com.sg/

[blm]

2. Thankyou for your post. And as mw (Cell Whitman) sez, "No Moon, no Bush."

Bush couldn't have gotten as far without the financial powerstructure Moon built within the religious right which he funded throughout the 80s and 90s and the pressure of Moon's worldwide media influence covering up when necessary and attacking Democrats when necessary.

[RBHam]

4. Bad Moon on the rise

Overcoming his church's bizarre reputation and his own criminal record, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon has cemented ties with the Bush administration -- and gained government funding for his closest disciples....

By John Gorenfeld
Salon News

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/24/moon/

[Old and In the Way]

6. Good Info, MB.....this ought to make a lot of people very nervous.

I have a question and this is probably the right thread to ask it on.

Why did the Times report that midnight tours of those prositutes in such a big way? I'm thinking that they blackmailed GHWB on this story and that's why he's doing these promo's for them today. Your thoughts?

[Minstrel Boy]

7. That's what I think, but it hadn't occurred to me before

"TwoSparkles" suggested it in the earlier thread. Then suddenly it made sense.

[starroute]

8. Gary Jarmin is one link worth exploring

Jarmin is the guy who became a topic for DU investigation last fall, when one of his organizations was found to be sending out Social Security scare letters to scam little old ladies. But the closer we looked, the more ties he turned out to have to both the Reverend Moon and the Bushes.

Jarmin was a Moonie from 1967 to 1973. By his own account, he left the Unification Church at that time and became the co-founder of Christian Voice in the middle 70's. But Christian Voice was working in concert with the Unification Church by the 80's, when they co-founded the American Freedom Coalition, and in recent years, Jarmin's ties to Moon have become more and more pronounced. He was able to get a letter from Bush Sr. back when he was president in support of one of Moon's pet projects, and more recently a letter from Bush Jr. for a Moon prayer breakfast.

And Jarmin was the man who set up the Moon "coronation" in the Dirksen Senate Office Building by writing to his senator to request its use for a Washington Times foundation awards banquet.

On edit: Here are links and quotes.

http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Books/Tims2/Tims2-56.htm

Dr. Bo Hi Pak's 60th Birthday Celebration
Washington, D.C.
August 26, 1990

I have to make a long story short, even on my birthday, but I just want to mention one more couple. His wife may not be here tonight, but I want to talk about Gary Jarmin. Many people may not know Gary as I know him. He truly loves our True Parents, and he is someone who can do what Father needs. He is a political strategist like I have never seen. He has a precise and most acute mind. He makes things happen. I would like to give you a couple of examples. Many of you may not know about them because these things happen behind the scenes.

On August 31, the Universal Ballet Academy will be inaugurated, another victory for Father. Without Gary Jarmin, this school would not be there. What do I mean by that? Oleg Vinogradov is an important Russian citizen, a great artist who had won the Lenin Cultural Award, the highest honor in the Soviet Union. He could not come to America to work without his government's permission, and to get that, he needed an invitation from the United States at the highest level -- he needed a letter from President George Bush. The Soviet Union was still an adversary in terms of diplomatic relations, and it was very difficult for the president of the United States to write a letter to an individual, even the artistic director of the Kirov Ballet. So I brought this matter to Gary Jarmin. To make a long story short, that request went to the State Department to the Security Advisor's desk, to get clearance. Finally, thanks to Gary's tenaciousness and doggedness, his strategy and influence, everything worked out. Gary is the one who made that happen. Now Father is coming to honor that opening, and I want you to know that it is Gary who did it.

You know the president of the United States does not just sit down and write a letter to anybody. It is not that easy. But the president wrote me a beautiful birthday letter. He recognized the work of the Washington Times, but there was a personal part too. Unless you have the right connection, that kind of thing cannot happen. Again, Gary pulled it off. I have asked him to reserve that strategy and power, so that someday he can pull off something very big for the sake of Father's great providence. For this reason, I would like to show my respect and love for Gary Jarmin. Gary, stand up, please.

http://www.tparents.org/UNews/Unws0110/Jenkins_ALC_report.htm

Unification News for October, 2001

On Sunday September 23, 2001 over 1000 clergy joined together for the Interfaith Prayer Breakfast. The Secretary of State of New York, Rev. Preston Washington of Harlem and many important representatives of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and all world religions attended. ... Betsy Orman is a super AFC hero. She literally brought dozens of VIP's including the secretary of state. She also had a hand in helping Gary Jarmin secure a letter to the event from President Bush.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10166-2004Jul23.html

Warner 'Deceived' on Rev. Moon Event
Aide Says Senator's Office Would Not Have Sanctioned Gathering at Dirksen Building
July 24, 2004

Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.) accepts "full responsibility" for arranging the use of a Senate office building for a March ceremony in which the Rev. Sun Myung Moon declared himself the Messiah, a spokesman for the senator says. But the Senate Armed Services Committee chairman released letters this week that show that organizers "deceived" Warner's office, spokesman John Ullyot said Thursday. He said the office would not have helped arrange the event "had its true nature been disclosed."

<snip>

Senate rules permit private groups to use official spaces for receptions and meetings but require the sponsorship of a senator. Although the Senate Rules and Administration Committee would not reveal which senator sponsored Moon's use of a room in the Dirksen Senate Office Building, Warner's office acknowledged its role Tuesday to The Washington Post and released a March 11 letter to the senator from a group called Christian Voice requesting a room.

But Warner's office said Thursday that it had found two earlier letters requesting space for the same event. The Jan. 7 and Feb. 17 letters, both under the letterhead of the Washington Times Foundation, were signed by the foundation's government liaison, Gary L. Jarmin, who is also president of Christian Voice. Moon's organization owns the Washington Times.

The January letter requested a Dirksen room for Feb. 4, and the February letter rescheduled the event after ricin, a toxin, was discovered in the mailroom of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) on Feb. 2. Both letters billed the event as the foundation's annual awards banquet to honor individuals for "exemplary service in conflict resolution and/or promoting interfaith tolerance and cooperation both here in the U.S. and in the Middle East" between Israelis and Palestinians.

[KoKo]

9. Was Poppy blackmailed by MOON? Set up? Here's today's scoop on

this...My thanks to this site for making a connection that might be true...considering how this relationship between Babs and Poppy keeps going al these years..but this site makes some good connections. You need to read BOTH of the last entries..to understand what I'm saying here, though..

This is a GREAT Friday Night read...because it's LONG.....!
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/

[cynatnite]

10. I had no idea!

Before reading all this information I was fairly lenient when it came to faith based initiatives because I saw potential to do a lot of good, but now I completely feel differently.

I want to scream why in the hell isn't this being investigated? Well, I already know the answer to that.

It scares the hell out of me.

Thanks for the education.

[seemslikeadream]

11. Sun Myung Moon

"The head of the love organ is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."

"The Bible refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake. Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you should. It is poison to humanity."

-Moon



http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/sun-myung-moon/

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Falwell really changed his tune on Moon.

How come?

From the above link:

In 1978, Falwell said "Reverend Sun Myung Moon is like the plague: he exploits boys and girls, and he should be exported. {sic}"

"The man who called for Moon's "exportation" in 1978 was singing his praises years later. Falwell changed his tune after one of Moon's front organizations handed Liberty University $3.5 million and otherwise forgave tens of millions in debts so he could bail out his college in 1994. Later, Falwell reciprocated by appearing at various Unification Church events and called upon President Ronald Reagan to pardon Moon's felony conviction for tax evasion."

[AuntiBush]

14. I'm Enthawed! Kick!

Thank you guys for posting all of this. One poster is correct; Excellent reading for a Friday night. As I was reading all of this (and I'm no where near done), wondering why at one-time, not so long ago many reporters and certain policicans were literally screaming out to the public about the Moonies, then over the last (oh, I don't know how many years now) poof! Nothing at all.

I remember that he was an extremely wealthy man; took his money for the poor, drove in huge limo's, and had tons of couples marry at the same time... it was only recent my family and I heard from someone very reliable that he owned the Washington Times. Thank goodness we read the Post. Probably is, many of us within 50 miles of D.C. get the Washington Times mixed-up for the Post, and the same goes for The New York Times as opposed to the NY Post. It's very confusing for us, but I've been doing all I can to keep my family straight...

Read only the Washington Post! And, Read only the New York Times - the other two are right-wing cover-ups.

Wow and :scared: at the same time.

QUESTON: Have any of you noticed America owed more debt to Japan, next in line China and other countries like never before? Just a thought. And since Reagan/Bush, more companies/corporations have moved out of America blaming "us," yet they bring their products here for us to buy.

I am thinking of other things but have already taken everyone's time. Sorry - shew. Smoking gun(s)!

:kick:

[starroute]

15. Moon and Falwell

http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm

Yeah, it's Rense and a little heavy on the NWO paranoia, but its facts on Falwell seem solid enough, so I'm willing to quote it here.

One such Church leader and internationally recognized evangelical Christian, Jerry Falwell, readily admits that he accepted 2.5 million dollars from Moon in 1994 in order to bail out his Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. This was funneled through a Moon organization known as the 'Womens Federation for World Peace' which has been chaired by Beverly LaHaye, Wife of Timothy LaHaye, who is the popular co-author of the "Left Behind" Christian fictional book series and a well known evangelical Christian. The Womens Federation for World Peace paid 3.5 million to the Christian Heritage Foundation, which in turn bought Falwell's $73 million debt, and then frankly wrote it off. The Heritage Foundation then seems to have paid themselves a fee of one million dollars for their trouble.

Since that time Falwell has spoken at many of Moons functions, embracing the cult-leader with unabashed reverence and friendship. Even writings from Moons' Church confirm Falwells comradeship with 'the new messiah' and his cult. Moon has even been a guest speaker in mainline denominational Churches in the past few years. Falwell further praised Rev. Moon calling him, "An unsung hero to the cause of freedom, who is to be commended for his determination and courage and endurance in support of his beliefs."

According to official court records of a lawsuit that was filed in Bedford County Circuit Court (West Virginia), it was alleged that Falwell and an associate flew to South Korea, January 9, 1994 to meet with Unification Church officials. This trip came shortly before Falwell was awarded the Moon money. Falwell stated openly, "If the American Atheists Society or Saddam Hussein himself ever sent an unrestricted gift to any of my ministries, be assured I will operate on Billy Sunday's philosophy: The Devil's had it long enough, and quickly cash the check."

[Minstrel Boy]

19. Falwell and the 9/11 flight school connection

As with his connection to Moon, it has to do with debt.

From Daniel Hopsicker:

The money man behind two Florida flight schools which trained an as-yet undisclosed number of terrorist pilots has ties with the Evangelical Christian Right, including having loaned televangelist Jerry Falwell a reputed $1 million to bailout his failing religious enterprises a decade ago, and serving as Director of an avowedly Christian aeronautics company planning to manufacture a new business jet in Israel, the MadCowMorningNews has learned.

...

As the MadcowMorningNews reported last February, a previously-unknown company housed inside Huffman was awarded a large government contract at the airport in Lynchburg under circumstances that had left aviation observers there uneasy.

Revelation of Huffman owner Wally Hilliard's prior ties with the controversial Falwell may finally shed some light on that murky transaction. In addition it provides something of a window on the successful entrepreneur whose company’s unusual corporate motto was reported to be “Hate Sin, Fight Communism, and Back the Pack!”

...

In the course of trying to get Falwell to address the unpaid debt he heard details of the Rev. Falwell’s accounting practices upon which the Almighty would presumably frown.

“I talked to Falwell’s accountant, who was very apologetic,” the former Hilliard executive stated. “He said there was plenty of money to pay off the loan, except any time there was money left in the account at the end of the month Jerry stripped it out.”

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc412004.html

[Minstrel Boy]

21. Falwell and Britannia Aviation

More from Hopsicker. Britannia Aviation operated out of a hanger at the Venice Fl flight school at which the 9/11 pilots trained. It had a value of only $750, virtually no qualifications, employees or history, yet it was awarded a five-year contract to manage a large maintenance facility at the Lynchburg airport, chosen over a local company worth millions, with dozens of employees. Britannia didn't even have the necessary FAA license to fulfill the contract. Why was it chosen? That it was given a "greenlight" by the DEA, suggests to Hopsicker it was used as part of the protected black ops drug trade, which was much in evidence in Venice.


...

After our inquiry he called a DEA source of his at the airport, this aviation executive told us, to ask what he knew about Britannia Aviation.

"This guy got all excited as soon as I asked," this executive stated. "He immediately wanted to know why I was so interested in Britannia. Finally he reluctantly told me that Britannia had a 'green light' from the DEA at the Venice Airport, whatever that means. He also said the local Venice Police Department (which has mounted round-the-clock patrols at the Airport since Sept.11) had been warned to leave them alone."

Paul Martens had no comment on the report when we dropped in on him at his office in a Huffman Aviation hangar at the Venice Airport. He was just an honest British businessman, he told us. He had ties to Lynchburg Virginia. He had met his wife there, while she was a student at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. Her father was a pastor for the Reverend Falwell.

"Jerry Falwell got bailed out in the early '90's by a Lynchburg businessman whose son is married to Billy Graham's daughter," a Lynchburg observer told us. "Since then he runs a missionary service called World Help, which flies all over the world."


Many of the flight trainers who had trained the Arab terrorist pilots had also flown missions out of the Venice and Sarasota Florida Airports for such Christian missionary services as televangelist Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing.

It was "Islamic fundamentalist" Osama bin laden who cloaked his covert activities under the cover of religious charities. Were we now discovering that our own government intelligence agencies used the same ruse?

Christian-linked or not, why did a transparent dummy front company like Paul Marten's Britannia Aviation have a 'green light' from the DEA? A green light for what?

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc172004.html

[leesa]

22. Funny. As though Graham doesn't do the exact same thing.

Graham is such a sleazy con man.

[RBHam]

13. Kick for the truth

This thread must not die...

[Karenina]

16. Kick!

:kick:

[blm]

31. Kick again.

.

[SpiralHawk]

17. Voting this for Greatest Page

Thanks, MB

-- If we do not wakefully intend,
we are subconsciously compelled --

[SpiralHawk]

18. Voting this for Greatest Page

Thanks, MB

-- If we do not wakefully intend,
we are subconsciously compelled --

[SpiralHawk]

20. Voting this for Greatest Page

Thanks, MB

-- If we do not wakefully intend,
we are subconsciously compelled --

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. Does anyone here know that Rev Moonie sold submarines to

North Korea? Another cute little tidbit......

[Old and In the Way]

25. Moon-Falwell-Bush-Huffman Air-9/11 terrorists-DEA

But no conspiracy here folks.....just another of those "bizarre coincidences" that pop up all the time around these people.

Is it any wonder why the Republican Party has to rig the elections? They cannot afford to lose control of the reins of government.

Tell me this is not one huge national security problem for the USA.

[blm]

30. I also believe he GIFTED NKorea with a nuclear submarine.

Not to mention the many millions he has gifted to both N and S Korean leaders.

[starroute]

27. Possible Moon connection to the Gannon case

It's somewhat indirect so far -- but I'm working on it.

The connecting link is Kerri Houston, a member of the board of GOPUSA who is also Vice President of Policy for an anti-environmental group called Frontiers of Freedom.

The founder of Frontiers of Freedom, former senator Malcolm Wallop, is with the Heritage Foundation's Asian Studies Center, which has definite ties to the KCIA and probably to Moon as well. In addition, Lynn Francis Bouchey, who was active with several Moon-related groups in the 80's (CAUSA, American Freedom Coalition, Council for Inter-American Security) is currently with Frontiers of Freedom.

At the very least, the suggestion of a Moon connection to the anti-environmental movement is intriguing. If it were possible to establish a link to the Gannon case as well, that would just take the cake.

For links and quotes, see my posts at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1589943#1591257

[Minstrel Boy]

28. wow, that's very interesting - thanks! n/t

[blm]

29. Scratch a fundie just a little and you'll always find a moonie underneath.

.

[CoffeeAnnan]

32. I wonder if it would be more appropriate to think of him as the Don of

American Politics. If everyone including the President kisses his ring and seeks his blessings, what else could one possibly think of?