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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:00 PM
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Honey pot in the White House press corp?
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:37 PM by Minstrel Boy
Adapted from my blog here. More, and links, there.


Why, when I read "Jeff Gannon," do I see the name Craig Spence?

Gannon wasn't much of a journalist, not even of the pretend kind. Not much of a White House shill, either. Though the Bush team couldn't fault him for his slavish devotion to the party line, he wrote for the very limited cyber readership of "TalonNews," which appears now to have folded up and blown away, like every good cut-out once its cover is blown. The White House does not want for friends in corporate media with far greater reach. And the CIA's Operation Mockingbird, we recall, served up far bigger fish than the likes of Gannon. So why did the virtual one-man show of TalonNews receive such pride of place?

To answer that, we should probably ask the rhetorical question: what other purpose could a male prostitute possibly serve in the White House press corp? Or, I suppose, whom could he serve?

Which brings us to Craig Spence:



Spence was a conservative lobbyist during the Reagan-Bush years. The New York Times called him "Washington's ultimate power broker." He was also running a gay prostitution ring which employed adolescent boys. As a treat, he gave them after-hours tours of the White House. In The Washington Times of August 9, 1989, Spence "hinted the tours were arranged by top level" persons, including Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg, whose name also figures prominently in the October Surprise story. The paper added that "Spence, according to friends, was also carrying out homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA."

David McGowan writes that one of the White House tours "occurred just after Spence stopped by the Nightline studio to see his friend, Ted Koppel. Spence reportedly introduced Koppel to a 15-year-old boy, whom Koppel later claimed Spence had introduced as his son. Koppel though had been a close friend for over 20 years and surely knew that Spence did not have a teenage son."

Any wonder why this scandal - a sex scandal, even - died one of the quickest and quietest of deaths? Only briefly, and not everywhere, was it was front page news. As when it broke, on June 29, 1989:



From a follow-up story of June 30, 1989:

Among the clients identified in hundreds of credit-card vouchers obtained by The Washington Times - and identified by male prostitutes and escort operators - are government officials, locally based US military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides, media representatives and other professionals.

Mr. Spence's influence appeared unlimited, aptly demonstrated by his ability to arrange midnight tours of the White House, according to three persons who said they took part in those tours.... After arriving in Washington in the late 1970s, Mr. Spence was hosting parties during the early Reagan years attended by, among others, journalists Eric Sevareid, Ted Koppel and William Safire; former CIA Director William Casey; the late John Mitchell, attorney general in the Nixon administration; conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly; Ambassador James Lilley; and Gen. Alfred M. Gray, the commandant of the Marine Corps.

...

Several friends said Mr. Spence bragged that U.S. military personnel, for whom he had built a gymnasium in El Salvador, had smuggled cocaine back to him when they returned to the United States.... U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration officials said this week they had no evidence of any such operation.

...

A business acquaintance described Mr. Spence as "strange," saying that he often boasted that he was working for the CIA and on one occasion said he was going to disappear for awhile "because he had an important CIA assignment." According to the businessman, Mr. Spence told him that the CIA might "doublecross him," however, and kill him instead "and then to make it look like a suicide."


It should probably be noted here that it wasn't until November of that year that Spence's body was found in a Boston hotel room, his death ruled a suicide.

From David McGowan's "Pedophacracy":

The Spence story never really registered on the national media’s radar screen. Despite being a largely Republican scandal, it was completely ignored by such pillars of the purportedly liberal press as the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. The story soon disappeared entirely and Washington and the media proceeded to pretend as though nothing had ever happened. According to a Washington Times reporter, the paper trail was quickly covered up. Some 20,000 documents pertaining to the case were sealed by court order and the U.S. Attorney’s office issued a gag order on the release of information. By the time that Craig Spence turned up dead in a Boston hotel less than five months after the story first broke, he had been all but forgotten. He had earlier told a friend: “I may be disappearing soon. It will be sudden. It may appear to be a suicide, but it won’t be.”

Spence was reportedly found lying on his bed in room 429 of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, wearing a tuxedo and with a telephone cradled to his ear and a Walkman headset around his neck. He had, according to the Independent, “no obvious signs of injury,” and “police refused to comment on the cause of death.” The door to the room was barricaded. Written on the mirror were several messages, one of which read: “Chief, consider this my resignation, effective immediately. As you always said, you can’t ask others to make a sacrifice if you are not ready to do the same. Life is duty. God bless America.” Another was an apology to the hotel: “To the Ritz, please forgive this inconvenience.” A third was an unexplained Japanese phrase: “Nisei Bei.” The hotel registry showed that the room the apparent suicide victim was found in was occupied by “C.S. Kane.”

Spence had been subpoenaed by a grand jury but had not yet been called to appear. As it turned out, very few witnesses ever did appear before that grand jury. Spence had also reportedly agreed to provide Penthouse magazine with “lurid details of Washington’s bisexual wonderland.” His story, needless to say, was never told.


Penthouse didn't get its story, but Spence left a legacy of questions, which have been soundly ignored by virtually everyone in a position to answer them. For instance, this one, raised by The Washington Times after his death:

Mr. Strasser, according to the witness, also asked during the private discussion and before the grand jury about the gift by Mr. Spence of an expensive Rolex watch to a U.S. Army sergeant. The sergeant, who also participated in the July 3 White House tour, allegedly was asked by Mr. Spence for information on Delta Force, a special forces counterterrorism unit based in Fort Bragg, N.C.

"They asked me what I thought Spence wanted to know about the Delta project," the witness said. "I said it could mean he was just interested in the young guys there or something else."


The Gannon scandal may not be that he was undeserving of accreditation, or a shameless cheerleader, or even a prostitute. (It ain't for nothing that members of the press are called "media whores.") The scandal may be that "Jeff Gannon" was a honey pot: a lure, floated in the press pool by the White House to compromise persons of influence. Something Gannon, or rather Jim Guckert, certainly was not.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:07 PM
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1. Bookmarked
for future reference.............
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:10 PM
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2. I'll see your bookmark and raise you...
nominated for home page.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:34 PM
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16. Beat me to it.
This may be the Lizard, not the tail.

-Hoot
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:12 PM
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3. Interesting
I am not usually one to point fingers where they shouldn't be pointed but......

Not just Rove but I think this might go to Mehlman. Sorry my "Spidey-sense" goes off the scale on those two.

Let me add this-This could give a good explanation of the apparent patriarchal domination of the Republican party. It is easy to dismiss it as just being anti-feminism but I always had a weird feeling about it (think "American Beauty") there is just too much manliness going on there. I don't accuse everyone (they have many useful idiots -Hannity ) but it could also help to explain how they run such a tight ship so disciplined and on message-always able to change the subject much like gays back in the day (and in many situations right now) who couldn't let the truth get out.

Just a few theories.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:17 PM
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5. I agree.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:22 PM by iconoclastNYC
It is vaguely conspiratorial but i always wonder about people who think its a lifestyle that can and must be supressed. Do they think this way because they supress it in themselves? There are studies done that prove that if you are a homophobe you are more likely to get an erection from gay erotica than someone who is not a homophobe.

Cheney's wife right a lesbian romance novel.

Bush's longest friend is rumoured to be gay.

I agree with your theory.

If you live in the closet you are a shell of a human. you deny one of the most powerful motivating factors we have as humans: to be a sexual being. I just think its a huge opportunity for people to maniuplate you into being an operative.

Look at David Brock.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:18 PM
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6. Would your "spidey sense" be another term for gaydar?
Because I've never mentioned it on DU before, but my husband has said, numerous times, that he suspects the very same thing about many bush and repuke officials.

He thinks that several of them are gay, VERY closeted, filled with self-loathing, and it explains a lot about their behavior.

Just a theory, but they've been setting off his "spidey sense" for years now.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:27 PM
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12. Yes
I used to post a joke here about Rove and Hughes "Now be honest the first time you saw each of them didn't you think 'Wow THAT'S ironic'?"

I don't mean anything by it really I just have always gotten that sense.

Rep. Dreier (sp?) of CA was one of the driving forces behind Arnie's recall run. He apparently has lived with his chief of staff for years.

I just never got the MANLY thing. Yeah it is a great way to project yourself as a WINNER and get the guys to get on board but it always seemed a bit much to just be that.

:shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:23 AM
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78. Blackmail? One way to keep people loyal...n/t
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:30 PM
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89. Blackmail: one way to get your business deal to go through
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 08:34 PM by suegeo
I'm gonna make them an offer they can't refuse.

Since the Fascist Bush Junta is merging business with government, I don't know how'd they'd be able to draw a line between the types of blackmail they are performing.

On Edit: One major thing these thugs do that I find REALLY offensive to the human spirit is using people's sexuality against them. (And I'll insert a disclaimer about not supporting an adult's indulgence in child sex.)These bastards studied the Arab mind (thinking, customs etc.) about sexual practices, then used that against the goat farmers in they swept into Abu Ghraib (SP?) There is something soul killing about it.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:19 PM
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9. For some reason most of the Freepers I know are latent gays too
I wonder what the deal is with this? Some kind of over-compensation? I certainly think there is something "interesting" about many of these characters... (not that there is anything wrong with that - :D )
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:31 PM
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13. *disclaimer*-please don't blast me for this but....
Okay the common stereotype lumped onto all gays (men) is that they connected with their mothers those who have something against them say too much.

Perhaps a person that you describe is so filled with that stereotype that they do over-compensate and are overtly manly and side with men over women almost to the point of being a satire of themselves...in the mirror.

Again just some guesses.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:05 PM
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36. I agree
I think - though I can't understand the first sentence in your post...

I see the pretend "manly", it's so obviously fake to someone like me who has been forced to do real battle and knows why carrying a weapon is a stupid way to live. The first line in my profile says it all.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:20 PM
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10. Another "take"
on the issue....

I've worked in ....uuummm....moderately high places. I've walked with people who were/are in the higher echelons....one thing that amazes me about these people is their ability to compartmentalize their life.

What they do to get and stay where they are is amazing, and, all the while, what they do is kept separate from who they really are. Never the twain shall meet so to speak..........

In order to achieve their success, they are focused like a laser on doing what it takes no matter what but that never infringes on "who they really are".

It takes a "special" kind of person to do that.....I couldn't
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:24 PM
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11. Yes, special, like sociopathic..
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:25 PM by iconoclastNYC
If you weren't already there, living a lie like this will get you there eventually. Look at Ed Koch. He's gone wacko lately.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:31 PM
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14. compartmentalization
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:31 PM by Minstrel Boy
Really interesting you mention that. I've been reading a lot lately about mind control research, and the deliberate creation of dissociative personalities. Pathological compartmentalization is really the creation of "alters," tasked with particular functions.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:33 PM
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15. As if part of the game is that they are fooling everyone?
Sounds a lot like addiction*

*I am in NO WAY trying to say that homosexuality is comparable to addiction or that it can be "solved" "cured" like an addiction I only meant it as an anology for the lack of a better one.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:41 PM
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18. It's not the homosexuality you are talking about anyway
but the behavior they engage in to "hide" big parts of their life from not only the world, but the rest of their life!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:00 PM
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24. Exactly! n/t
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:55 PM
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22. It might be that strongly patriarchal men
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:59 PM by SpaceCatMeetsMars
develop erotic feelings for one another that are not gay in the natural sense, but rather as a result of having such deep contempt for women. Their feelings might get sublimated into some different type of erotic attachment between men.

I say that because I read this interesting book by a German women that interviewed Albert Speer for years and years. He discussed at length how his friendship with Hitler had a strange erotic aspect to it. Neither one of them was gay, but Speers came to realize that he was incapable of having a normal relationship with his wife because he felt she was beneath him and so he directed a lot of his feelings into his obsession with Hitler. Hitler in turn was obsessed with Speer because Hitler thought Speer was intellectually and culturally superior.

There is something so twisted and guilty about the people at the top of the Republican party, it is easy to picture the skulduggery we are speculating about. I don't know how to explain it, but I feel instinctively there is some category of behavior that is different from nice, normal gayness and that corrupt power-mongering men who hate women fall into this other category.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:01 PM
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25. Hmm that is probably a better explanation
Well put
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:20 PM
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28. Wow, Very good analysis.
That totally has the ring of truth.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 09:03 PM
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46. Sex In This Case Is About Domination. In Muslim Societies, Men Can
have sex with men and not consider it homosexual because its seen as a hypermasculinity.

Ultimately, whether its a woman or another man... sex is about dominating... not sharing or mutual gratification.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:29 AM
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67. Really? I've not heard that.
I have seen many pictures of Saudi men holding hands and kissing. I think there's one of * and some Saudi royal holding hands. Since women are hidden away maybe men are their only available sexual partners.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:27 AM
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79. Having lived in the ME, I can tell you that is somewhat true
If you are a PITCHER, you are not gay. Catchers, on the other hand, are reviled and made fun of in that society.

They do distinguish between the two, and pitchers never catch.

Not to be too graphic....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:23 PM
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84. In east Africa it was not uncommon to see two men holding hands
as they walk down the street. It didn't seem to be homosexual, but an outgrowth of the warrior tradition. A man would never hold a woman's hand in public. Men don't fart, spit, or curse in public, but it is acceptable for women to do such things publicly due to their status in society. Men could be unfaithful, but women never. A man can just walk away from his wife without repercussions.
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cshupp Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:12 PM
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72. Greeks and Romans . . .
saw sex this way, too, with older men initiating younger ones into the male power club. Part of the reason Christians may have made homosexuality such a taboo was to build a contrasting group identity that could challenge that of the entrenched powers. This kind of indentity by contrast is often a feature of insider/outsider, center v. perifery political struggles.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:53 PM
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73. That's exactly right.
"Pederasty" was a common practice in ancient Greek society - and it is THIS practice which Paul calls an abomination to the Lord.

One of the best books I ever read on the subject is called "100 Years of Homosexuality." Sorry - I no longer have my copy - I lent it out, and never got it back. But it really explores the biblical notions of "homosexual" behavior, and claims that there was no such concept as a homosexual person until Freud and Co. came up with the label (hence the title of the book).

When read in that context, the biblical passages on homosexuality take on an entirely different meaning. Sex is seen as domination and power, and the elder often "initiated" the younger in this practice.

I do not believe Paul knew of mutually loving, sharing gay relationships between two equal partners. Therefore, I don't take his words seriously on homosexuality.
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:43 PM
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50. Roy Cohn
GHWB, Rove, Cheney...probably others
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Dunedain Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:46 PM
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51. How about this
That creepy lizard guy is Tiberious and his idiot son is Caligula

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:44 AM
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52. Compartmentalization is a category of denial....
Learning to compartmentalize different aspects of yourself--as if they are almost separate roles--is a skill learned often in childhood due to trauma (usually sexual/physical abuse).

Compartmentalization becomes a way of life. You adapt to the abuse by living your life, going to school--being a normal person during the day. However, in the home--you have to face the ugly pain that the abuse causes.

Michael Reagan, Ronald Reagan's son, was sexually abused and was forced into child pornography when he was very young. He discusses how he "compartmentalized" what had happened to him. He shut out the pain, and went on to live a life separate from the pain.

It's a coping mechanism. It's denial. Although it helps a person to live their life--it is also borne out of tremendous pain and dysfunction.

A person engaging in severe denial like this--is unhealthy. When compartmentalization becomes so severe--that's when criminal and psychopathic behavior takes root. You can kill people or molest children by night and still be a doctor, lawyer, bricklayer by day. The amount of denial for a person engaging in those acts is stunning.

Denial becomes a habit. You begin to seek out lifestyles that allow you to build up more denial. It's as if you get a high when the disparity between your "true self" and your "outward self" grows.

If we're seeing a lot of this, from many in the administration--then there really is something pathological going on.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:17 AM
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58. There's a continuum: denial----->dissociation.
And, ironic, these situations are brought about by trauma.

You know, you can't inflict trauma on others without sharing it in some way.

Conversely, it's difficult to suffer trauma without seeding the air around you.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:53 AM
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63. hopeful words...
You eloquently stated some very interesting thoughts.

I'd like to think that perpetrators share the trauma of their victims. It's unfair if they don't. I suppose though, if someone is into victimizing others, their lack of empathy shields them from too much distress.

Regarding your last statement, "..it's difficult to suffer trauma without seeding the air around you." Do you mean that trauma leads to hope? That if someone recognizes their own suffering, they are also recognizing that they are precious and undeserving of the trauma?

Thanks for your thoughts... :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:04 AM
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64. I think it can work in both directions or, as a process.
If I suffer a trauma, everyone in my immediate circles is exposed to it to a degree (and, I mean that concretely, as in for example, if you hear a baby crying in the next apartment, something happens in you).

But it is also true that if I recover from a trauma, the recovery is just as "contagious". Maybe that's what we're doing now, spreading a contagion of strength, determination, and hope.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:59 PM
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74. This is utterly fascinating to me.
I've been reading Kitty Kelley's book on the BFEE. One of the most shocking things I read was how Poppy and Bar handled the death of their daughter. And the shrub was emotionally abandoned by BOTH parents, all family members covered up their pain, and focused on other things in their lives. Jeb was too young to realize much of what was going on, but shrub was about 9 when that happened.

It sure as hell helps explain all the venom and hatred in that family. They are beyond dysfunctional.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:25 PM
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29. Are you saying that Melhman is gay?
I don't see where that would make a difference unless he is doing harm to the gay community. If he is, it is up to the gay community to out him.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:46 PM
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31. No not exactly
just that I get that sense and that it could explain (Gannon has "The goods" on someone) how Gannon shot to the top so quickly.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:04 PM
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32. Yep. Gannon-Mehlman or Gannon-McClelland ....
there's a connection there somehow, and it ain't of the tea-and-crumpets variety.
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:50 PM
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35. Oh, There's a Tearoom connection, for sure!
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:24 PM
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91. I always thought that Gannongate would lead to Mehlman
There are rumors about Mehlman being gay for awhile. And if "Jeff Gannon" was hired by the RNC instead of the White House then the Bush administration could claim deny any knowledge about "Jeff Gannon". It just makes sense that Mehlman would be behind all of this.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:26 PM
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37. I can see the Whitehouse being blackmailed due to their
secrecy.

I wonder if Gannon will get a show on Fox?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:15 PM
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70. Mehlman has been outed by the Gay Activist
who's been outing Republicans on his blog. He's also outed Drier and another poster said he outed McLellan.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:15 AM
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77. If you work for the GOP, and you are gay
...you are either dumb as a post, in denial, closeted, or you figure, I've got MINE, screw anyone else who is in my orientation group! It certainly doesn't have that rainbow feeling, when you work for the outfit that is actively persecuting you and working to deny you equal rights...but hey, that's just my take on it.

As for Melhman, according to this website, he hides in the closet:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2005_01_01_americablog_archive.html#110545999348456288

Salient snippet:
Ken Mehlman personally authorized using gay-bashing as political weapon in presidential race
by John in DC - 1/21/2005 01:26:14 PM

So it was Mehlman himself who personally asked GOP officials to use gay marriage as a wedge issue during the presidential campaign. As you know, this is relevant because rumors have swirled for months about Mr. Mehlman's own sexual orientation, and the rumors have only been fed by Mehlman's continuing refusal to state on the record that he's heterosexual.

Another amusing snip: Apparently CBS' parent company, Viacom, has hired Ken "I'm afraid to admit I'm straight" Mehlman's brother as a new lobbyist. As you'll recall, Mehlman - or Mehlwoman as he's been dubbed here - is for some odd reason mortally afraid of admitting on the record that he's a heterosexual, which has a few of us girls wondering...

I especially love the last line about Mehlman's bro's "partner." Come on Ken, even your brother admits publicly that he has a partner! ;-)
............
This guy is great--he does a fine job of tweaking the powerful!

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:24 PM
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39. it's two sides of the same coin
if we don't keep these bitches loaded and in the corner of the kitchen they might get busy and pull the Wizard's curtain back just in time to see the Wizard getting his jollys off with some young boy, or someone like Gannon.

The charade can't stay in order if you've always got people peeking under the curtain. Gotta keep 'em at arms length at least, or better yet, at home in their place, so the whole male sphere becomes a gian-circle jerk.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:06 AM
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55. Splitting, Projecting and Scapegoating
People say it all the time, but there is truth to the idea that people who are homophobic -- a certain percentage, at least -- are latent homosexuals. It explains all kinds of behaviors, actually -- you can split and project any trait that you can separate into "always good," and "always bad."

The latent homosexual homophobe projects his bad feelings about his own gay-ness onto gays. This, however, does not mean that all homophobes are homosexuals.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:19 AM
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59. Object relations? Yes, a really useful way to see. n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:15 PM
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4. Reminiscent, also, of aspects of "Abscam" (nt)


BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:19 PM
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7. Wow great catch. I'm shocked that 1989 article
didn't create more attention. I mean, look at that fricking headline!!!
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:19 PM
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8. Thanks, Minstrel Boy!
I believe Gannon was involved in far more than faux journalism.

I find it interesting that he was sharing info regarding the Plame memo on a message board - who gave it to him? There seem to be quite a few journalists with close ties to the CIA, makes ya wonder!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:37 PM
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17. Coincidentally "Craig Spence" was a character in "Night of Camp David"
by Fletcher Knebel, written back in 1965. A columnist who wrote about
the president who was going nuts...
:eyes:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:59 PM
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23. What are you saying?
Are you saying that Craig Spence was a psuedonym also? That he was a separate creation of the....uuummmm...say CIA?

Should I be reaching for the tinfoil?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:42 PM
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19. I thought that too...
email me... i will explain why.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:44 PM
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20. How in the world did you remember this?
Amazing...

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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:50 PM
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21. So the Republicans like their BJ's too? Bookmarked...
was just thinking about Operation Mockingbird the other night, post some of it on a post about how we communicated about protests and such in the 60's and why the counter culture papers were started.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:03 PM
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26. Nominate for home page!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:17 PM
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27. Wow! Good work! nt
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:35 PM
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30. you're the best, MB
if you look at it for awhile and read carefully, patterns do emerge with these fucking scumbags.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:20 PM
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33. Bookmarked and nominated
So who are the persons of influence being compromised now?

Hmmm...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:48 PM
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34. Wonder why everyone freaked out
when Clinton tried to make sexual orientation a non-issue... Hmmmm... :shrug:
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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:18 PM
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38. Thank you for this...
I was wondering about a few of these things myself. Like, as you mention, the Franklin Credit Union child prostitution ring, but also the former married-with-children Republican congressman from Virginia who was outed not too long ago for procuring male military escorts (can't remember his name offhand), and, of course, Jim McGreevy and his companion. I said to a friend, wouldn't it be something if some, or all, of these things were connected?

What better way to get certain reporters to literally roll over and report favorably about an administration and ignore any ugly details that should come out.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:27 PM
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40. Oh man. I just posted on another thread that Lawrence King's name
keeps poppoing into my head as this thing gets more attention and then what do I find, a Craig Spence/jimjeff gannonguckert thread!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:03 PM
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41. James Wolcott: "Wow. Rigorous Intuition has a unique angle..."
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 08:05 PM by Minstrel Boy
Mystery Beefcake
Posted by James Wolcott

Wow. Rigorous Intuition has a unique angle on the White House "ringer" correspondent that retrieves from the cupboard a lurid, mostly forgotten episode from the recent past involving gay prostitutes, rumors of CIA blackmail, and a fishy suicide.

That so few major establishment papers have latched on to the unfolding Manchurian Beefcake story helps explain why major establishment newspapers are losing readers in droves, unable to spot a juicy scandal when it's doing a lapdance in front of their glazed eyes.

It was inane watching Wolf Blitzer and Howie Kurtz take out their snuff boxes yesterday to pooh-pooh tsk-tsk the prurient zeal of lefty bloggers in pursuing this case, as if "Man Nips" Gannon/Guckert were just some vocal conservative with iffy credentials whose personal life had been pried open like a bad clam. That this imposter was able to attend White House briefings under an alias and lob softballs to the president while other reporters got blanked is worthy of investigation, yes? Particularly since it fits into the Bush administration's entire M.O. of staged events, vetted audiences, and propaganda packaged as news. Perhaps so many members of the Washington media have been impersonating reporters over the years that they're not troubled to discover an imposter in their midst. But Gannon/Guckert isn't just an imposter, a DC version of Leo DiCaprio's winsome protagonist in Catch Me If You Can, he was leading a double life and until we know the purpose of his duplicitous role (how the hell did he obtain the classified memo regarding Valerie Plame?), this story should be kept rudely alive.

http://www.jameswolcott.com/

Thanks James. Now answer my frickin' email. :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:44 PM
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44. Come on James answer the frickin' email!
:toast:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:31 PM
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42. This is too fucking AMAZING. THANK YOU FOR POSTING IT!!!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:36 PM
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43. Send this whole thread to KO - to everyone! Wow. Let's distribute.
I am so happy to be on this board.
The depth of analysis just on this thread
amazes me. Pure genius. I love it.
I hate to mention it, but * sure does have
a dominatrix for a mother if ever there were one!!!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:58 PM
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45. On General Gray Commandant of the Marine Corps back then
My husband says he and others in the corps in the 80's heard whispers in the corps that Gray was Gay and rumor is that the General may have married his housekeeper while he was a colonel so he could get promoted to General.

Again this was talked about in the corps. My husband met him and thought then that he was really an asshole, but later realized he actually was innovative in getting marines to think.

He also bounced him down a runway several times in New River NC in a C 12 on a fliught back from Gitmo and the guy never complained.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:38 AM
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80. I remember him well. Mean guy! Perpetually pissed off!
I'm thinking no one dared say that to his face, even if it was true!

Boy, if he was in fact gay, he totally crushes the popular stereotypes...no Will and Grace/Queer Eye references for him! He was one tough sumbitch!
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:29 PM
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47. The mysterious Japanese phrase/Washington Times
That phrase written in the mirror is the name of a Japanese newspaper.

You know something I've never figured out about this whole thing... Why did Moon's Washington Times cover the case so extensively, to the point of screaming front page headlines? It has seemed to me that Moon's in cahoots with the neocons and the Bushes, or at least they seem to be using each other to their own ends, so they appear to be cooperative. They share elements of their separate agendas. Certainly, in recent years, the Times has been Administration-friendly.

I know when you go back to read some of these articles, they kind of focus on Barney Frank, which is a shame. I also know that Moon is horrendously homophobic. But again, if Moon is trying to be cooperative with Bushco, why not sweep it under the rug like all the other media did? It makes me very suspicous. Any theories, anyone?

And it should be noted that being gay and being a pedophile are VERY different things, even if the pedophile abuses a child of the same gender. I don't know if using and paying adolescent boys for sex is considered pedophilia or not, but let's not forget that these were indeed underage boys.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:32 PM
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48. Limited hang out...
Just like the Bush-friendly NY Post was used by Rove to pre-emptively leak the "Bush Knew" story...

It's how they work.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:35 PM
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49. If I remember correctly, the Times reporter is interviewed
in the suppressed documentary, Conspiracy of Silence. The hammer really came down hard after a while, and he saw a lot of intimidation, and files disappearing. He may have lost his job over it.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:00 AM
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53. suppressed documentary, Conspiracy of Silence.
Unfortunately, I've never been able to get it to run on my computer (a Mac). I even ran it through various conversion apps, but the best I could get was video with no audio.

So perhaps the reporter was working on his own initiative, but the editor would have seen the work and have made the decision to splash it across the front page like that, and keep up with the story through many issues. Was the Times always a Moon paper? Hm...I'll have to look that one up.

(Oh, and thanks again MB! I've said it many times before and I'll probably say it many times again!)
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:05 AM
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54. always Moonie
Quick google revealed:

The Washington Times is a daily newspaper published in Washington, D.C.. It was founded in 1982 as a conservative alternative to the Washington Post by members of the controversial Unification Church. It has lost well over $1 billion since its inception.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Washington-Times
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:11 AM
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56. A thought/theory...
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 01:14 AM by TwoSparkles
I wondered exactly what you did...why would the right-wing Washington Times elevate this scandalous story to front-page, above-the-fold status?

I'm wondering if Moon used the story as leverage--to force Bush (or others) to help further Moon's own self interests.

Maybe the article was Moon's way of saying--"You do x, y and z for me--or additional stories will follow!" I always found it amazing that the story hit the Times so hard--then eventually disappeared. Watergate wasn't half the scandal that the Franklin Cover Up was--but somehow, the Franklin Cover Up evaporated in a blink. It's almost as if the story served as blackmail--and the blackmail recipients complied shortly after the initial story broke.

Does anyone know if anything changed around the time that Franklin Cover up Story ran in the Times? Did Bush's policies change at all? Did he begin speaking favorably of Moon in any way? Were any of Moon's ideas/scams/policies leveraged by the Bush administration in any way? If so, that could demonstrate "compliance" and explain the lack of media coverage on this major story.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:16 AM
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57. Bob Fitrakis was on this in 2000
Fitrakis is one of the heroes of the Ohio fraud investigation, a real firebrand, a lawyer and editor of the Free Press. This article appeared in Columbus Alive first, then was reprinted here:

http://www.americanatheist.org/spr00/T2/fitrakis.html

"It’s the shadowy network around the Moonies that the elder Bush could have called in to bail out his son's campaign in South Carolina. Make no mistake, George W. of Texas is little more than a frontman for the restoration of his father’s unsavory connections, who hide behind the veil of national security to avoid accountability."

That's actually the final paragraph. There's lots of interesting things in the entire article.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:20 AM
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60. Bush and Moon soon became "alies"...
Sr. Bush went down to Argentina to shill for Moon...

They soon "influenced" Argentina into bankruptcy...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:07 AM
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65. That's a fascinating thought.
Hadn't considered that angle, but it makes a lot of sense.

Maybe even of how he was able to hold an "enthronement" ceremony in the Capitol building.


"It was clear that Moon followers viewed the coronation ceremony as more than just an award. On Moon's Family Federation for World Peace and Unification website a few days later, top Moon official Chung Hwan Kwak was quoted as saying, "So in effect, the crowning means America is saying to Father, 'Please become my king.'"

...

During his remarks at the Senate ceremony, Moon claimed that dead world leaders have endorsed him from the "spirit world."

"any other leaders in the spirit world, including even Communist leaders such as Marx and Lenin, who committed all manner of barbarity and murders on earth, and dictators such as Hitler and Stalin, have found strength in my teachings, mended their ways and been reborn as new persons," Moon told the crowd. "Emperors, kings and presidents who enjoyed opulence and power on earth, and even journalists who had worldwide fame, have now placed themselves at the forefront of the column of the true love revolution.... They have declared to all Heaven and Earth that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent."

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/7477-Sun_Myung_Moon_Crowned___King_Of_America___At_U.S._Senate_Building.html
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:43 AM
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66. That "enthronement" ceremony...
Moon and Mrs. dressed in richly appointed robes, surrounded by "public servants" BEING FUCKING "CROWNED" IN THE DIRKSEN SENATE BUILDING!!!

:argh: :argh: AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGHHHH!!!!!! :argh: :argh:

Whew, I feel better now. Just had to get that off my chest. :silly:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:50 AM
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81. The Senator who reserved the room
...(and a senator MUST reserve that room, them's the rules) was none other than JOHN WARNER, R-VA. Of course, he feigned lack of understanding as to the purpose of the event....
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:22 AM
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61. Thanks Minstrel Boy for creeping my day out, once again.
I gave a great lecture in my seminar this morning, took my son to see BUGS! at the Imax, and had a delicious turkey, cheddar, horseradish & banana pepper croissant, and everything was going FINE until you reminded me of this story.

It starts to get MUCHO CREEPY with the Johnny Gosch shit --- you know, where he came back to see his mother and then disappeared again. Kind of stuff makes you not sleep well at night.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:32 AM
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62. I know!! Minstrel Boy is a blessing and a curse!
Actually, I am very appreciative of Minstrel Boy and his attention to these incredibly important matters.

I find his posts very informative and enlightening--although scary as hell!! I've actually had nightmares after reading this stuff.

I read a great deal about the Johnny Gosh case--because of some things MB had posted. I live a few miles from where Johnny Gosh disappeared, but I didn't know 90 percent of what really went on.

The media positioned Mrs. Gosh as a disillusioned mother who had lost a few screws because her son was missing. They also did a complete number on Paul Binacci--the victim of the Franklin Cover up who sued and won! Paul is a hero and a very courageous person--but I did not get those messages from the local media who reported his connection to Gosh.

There are no words for how distressing all of this is. However, it's essential that we don't bury our heads in the sand.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:35 PM
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68. Got my vote!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:02 PM
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69. el booto
vamanos!
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:26 PM
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71. I re-read the Washington Times story for the first time
in about 2 years. I thought the same thing as you. The link to male prostitution and military male prostitution was striking. I agree that this could be linked to blackmail and maybe that's how Repubs get so many to fall in line behind *. You analysis was much more in-depth than mine but I do agree. I think there's much more to the Gannon story then we initially thought.

I then wondered if we are doing favors to these hypocrites when Gay activists out them. It probably stops the blackmail.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:10 PM
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75. Excellent post , Minstrel Boy...
I did not know this was your blog. I posted it under Politics but it is too late to cancel. My question is: If Ted Koppel is covering for this type of thing, what other journalists are involved? Sounds like a Pulitzer for some daring soul?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:17 PM
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76. Good question to ask kentuck.
Did you find this odd?

"Emperors, kings and presidents who enjoyed opulence and power on earth, and even journalists who had worldwide fame, have now placed themselves at the forefront of the column of the true love revolution...."

Interesting how journalists are worked in with Emporers, kings, and presidents. Especially journalists with world-wide fame. I guess that would be journalists of the broadcast media. Makes me wonder how many of these journalists who Moon proclaims "have placed themselves at the forefront", are there because they have been blackmailed into compliance?

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:54 AM
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82. Excellent!!!!!!!!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:23 PM
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83. How come this story doesn't show up now on the greatest links page?
Just check....not there. It was before. Has the 48 hours run out on this?

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:28 PM
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85. Given the Gannon rent-boy news,
it seemed like a good time to kick this sucka.
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:20 AM
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86. superkicking this as well
How history may repeat itself.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:01 AM
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87. kick
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:51 PM
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88. kick
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:47 PM
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90. My theory
The CIA controlled media is the main reason I have the following theory.

"There are no major news media in the US that are not controlled by the CIA"--William Colby ex-director of the CIA.

The Intelligence Community, with eyes and ears everywhere, hears that the Franklin coverup is about to be exposed. So they give it to the highly uncredible Washington Times, it was even less credible then than now, and they run with it. A more credible source of course would give the story a better chance of getting legs.

The story then fades away as just another loony tune from the Moonie Times.

The second effect is that the Moonie Times gains a less obvious bit of credibility by "going against" the BFEE, which we all know is very closely associated with Moon. The hidden message: "Look, we are a real newspaper and don't curry favor with anyone.
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