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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:11 PM
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I went up against the NIMBY types last night....
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 12:13 PM by LeftHander
At our local planning commission meeting on the agenda was a motion to extend or revoke the conditional use permit for my neighborhood's small skatepark.

I skateboard (at 42) and so does my daughter. the neighbors around the park have for a longtime lived next to this aging inner city park that was for the most part empty and under used.

They fought the skatepark from day one with all the narrow mindedness, discrimination and selfishness they could muster. Five alder people from the city spoke out in favor of having the park removed or moved to a remote location. 2 1/4 pipes and a fun box is what these people are all bent out of shape about.

Their complaints are foul language and litter. Oh my imagine that from an inner city park.

One by one the aldermen presented their broken, stammering, arguments with little logic or reason.

They lumped all the skaters into one group and one called them "rotten brats". These people have tried time and time again to stop any alternative sports. They are narrow minded and selfish and I called them on it.

I was the first from the audience to speak after hearing nothing but negativity and attacks on the youth, I told them the good that park does. First in providing our young teens the facility to practice this very difficult sport and for recognizing that the 12-15 year olds are part of our community too. I shamed the opposition for singling out these young people. I told them I know many of these kids and yes some have issues. One kid's mom is sick and he works in a pizza place near his home so he can buy boards and bring pizza's home for him and his brother to eat because their mother is sometimes in capable to doing so. His sport is skateboarding and he live two blocks form the park.

I said if not for the park my daughter would not have embraced babysitting as much as she does. She raises her own money to buy decks and to pay for skateboard camp in the summer. She has gained a ton of self confidence because of this park. There are businesses that benefit form kids buying food and soda all summer long within a block of the park. There is a skateshop that operates and is in business because of these kids.

I then held up a zine I made of the skaters at the park and around the area. I said these kids in this park are 12-16 years old as the grow older they move on to other places and frequent the park less. So these "kids" you talk about are basically a new group nearly every two years. I pointed at one picture in the magazine to a young man now serving in Iraq. I said "this kid here is now in Iraq he's a marine and he's a skater. Has anyone here taken the time to know any of these kids? What will they think of this community when one day there skatepark is gone? It is our duty to show these young people that they are part of our community. They are our sons and daughters and we need to show that we care about them. For a group of people to believe that a sport causes behavior problems is deplorable."

I said that skating does not create behavior problems. They are created by the domestic situations these children live in and the fact that our society as a whole cares little for inner city kids between the ages of 12-16. When I finished heads were bowed looking at the floor. They knew they were wrong and in rebuttal one by one said how they support the kids and think skating is a good activity for them. A near 100% reversal of what they said not 30 minutes before.

I was mad that I had to rally the skating community to come down because of this group of organized regressionists. They have done nothing but complain and offer little else. If it wasn't the skatepark they would find something else to bitch about. Wait until they get a load of the parking issues when the new water park is done this summer.

The mayor shamed the aldermen and citizens for their selfish behavior. One commission member said their "not in my backyard" behavior was completely unproductive and discriminatory.

The board voted 4-1 in favor of the motion to continue the operation of the park, indefinitely.

One alderman said under guidance of the city-attorney that he was appealing the initial acknowledgment activity of skateboarding in the parks and rec charter as "reasonable activity" he will appeal the decision to the Zoning commission. That made the Mayor visibly angry.

Typical rethug tactic of questioning the legal definition of "reasonable activity" under which the skatepark was granted a use permit. The appeal will stand little chance and will likely cost the city more time and money.

Sometimes a boring planning commission meeting can be exciting.

(now to tackle the McMansions)
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:19 PM
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1. awarding you a gold star and a coconut cream pie to share


fighting back is a life saving option. thank you.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:22 PM
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2. Great Story
I loved it. Way to go!
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:23 PM
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3. Woo Hoo!
Good job, give yourself a big ol' pat on the back.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:23 PM
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4. Good for you
I had the misfortune of being moved to one of these real estate towns in SoCal as a kid and though they marketed 4-bedroom houses to families they didn't want to see any kids. "No Skateboarding" signs were everywhere. With the help of the local police they would cite anyone who dared to skate on the long sunny sidewalks. They even cited a wheel-chair bound kid for riding a wheelie down the sidewalk!

A visitor said that the town reminded him of Singapore and said he got the feeling that if anyone dared to try and picnic on any of the city's green rolling hills they would be caned. And heaven forbid parks should have facilities that actually get used.

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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:26 PM
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5. Way to GO!
As a 43 year old ex-skater (bad knee these days): :yourock:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:33 PM
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6. There is one skateboard park near me and another being built
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 12:34 PM by LynneSin
I too am in the inner city. These skateboard parks give our youth something to do other than loiter around and do nothing (which for many might be the only option.)

In Wilmington we were fortunate to find a location; however, that no one else wanted. The existing park and the new one being built are both under highway underpasses in the area. Although a little bit noisy, the nice thing is they never have to worry about rain. But at least they are in prime locations where kids can access these parks.

Skateboarders as a whole have gotten a bad reputation probably from a small group of skateboarders who have made a poor impression on those of us who are not into skateboarding. I'm so glad you stood up and defended these kids and showed that the stereotype folks have about skateboarders was incorrect!!
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:43 PM
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7. Great job!
It ain't easy standing up to the whiners in our communities. We live a block and a half away from a high school. It's an "old" school, in the city, with no parking, so the "kids" who drive must park on the street. It's never been a big issue, as all the houses in the neighborhood have off-street parking, and the kids just do what kids do, make a little noise now and then, litter a bit, but it's no big deal. Anyway, a guy bought the house next door a few years back and then started to ask about the kids who parked in the street. He was livid that they didn't need parking permits, he hated having to wait at the stop sign for kids to cross the street ("they're so defiant! they walk slow on purpose!"), blah blah blah. I just asked him why he bought a house so close to a high school if it bothered him so much to have high schoolers in the neighborhood. He never brought it up again. Luckily, he sold the house a couple years later.

Way to stand up to the whiners!

:hi:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:03 PM
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8. BRAVO!!!
Ping me if you wanna chat about the McMansions, we're working on a conservation district in my neighborhood.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:13 PM
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9. DU-U-U-U-U-U-DE!!!!!
Way to go! :thumbsup:
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:25 PM
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10. Good for you
I never understood what people had against skaters. It keeps kids busy doing something they like and they are not doing it in shopping mall parking lots or something but in an appropriate venue.

It is ironic too that people will oppose the creating of skateparks (NIMBY) but are willing to spend countless thousands on football stadiums for high school football.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:43 PM
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19. What annoys people in my community about skaters....
...is pretty simple. The city built a skating facility in one of the parks, and despite that, the kids continue to skate in public parking lots and the like, while the city facility is lightly used.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:26 PM
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11. HURRAY!!
A skate park is one of the few truly positive things a city can do for its young people. Hello: skateboarding is something kids can do that is NOT doing drugs, is NOT drinking, is NOT having sex, and is extremely athletic.

Is it the clothes they object to?? People can be so dumb.

Thanks for educating those ignorant people.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:44 PM
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12. Standing on chair
Huge Applause! I can't stand the way our society treats young people. I used to live in a small town that loved its young people, old folks that I didn't even know actually knew all about my oldest and his high school activities. They got together as a community and built the skate park. Small town in redneck Montana. My current smalltown, in Oregon, total opposite. Republican CA people retire here. Fought the skatepark tooth and nail. My kids have said many times that they are looked at with suspicion everywhere they go, and you really couldn't get more white bread mainstream than they are. I can't imagine what a kid with a piercing or tattoo has to deal with.

Good for you for for standing up for these kids.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:49 PM
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13. Hip, Hip

HORRAY



thanks for sharing but most importantly FIGHTING :toast:

peace
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:53 PM
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14. Look at the behavior of professional atheletes...
I wonder if these people are going to want to get rid of the basketball courts, baseball diamonds and football fields?
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:05 PM
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15. Thank You!
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 02:06 PM by SheepyMcSheepster
i was an avid skater when i was younger, i don't get on a board so much anymore, but skateboarding was a very constructive thing to be invovled in as i grew up. Thank you for taking the time and initiative to help out the kids who can really use a place like this.

i never had any type of a skateboard parks in my hometown. people have no idea how hard it is to skate and not get hassled about it.

thanks again.

edit: my favorite quote from an old person who didn't like the skateboarding going on in a parking lot: "quit dancing on them scooter boards!".
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:23 PM
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16. Thanks all...
ONe thing that these right wing nut jobs have learned is how to gather together in thier own little twisted groups.

It is amazing how much division I saw in this local meeting.

The attitude that the NIMBY types have is that if they gather in a group and complain they are instantly to get their way.

I was more than glad to tell them they were wrong.

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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:43 PM
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17. That was great!
You done good for a helluva lot of people.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:49 PM
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18. I know of one affluent community that had to build a skateboard
park to keep the kids out of empty swimming pools and in effect breaking and entering on private property. They also were a nuisance in parking lots and sidewalks. I think once there isn't a place for them to go, they will find other venues. Then maybe these people will welcome a park. You should bring that up to them, the possible consequences of not having a park.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:46 PM
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20. Sir, I am humbled.
Some may say I'm overstating things, but dammit, you are a patriot.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:03 PM
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21. Your story was inspiring! You deserve a Real Star.
So now you have one. Enjoy. :)
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