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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 10:59 AM
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We need to refer to Gannon as Propagandist.
Not a reporter, or bureau chief or journalist. He's a propagandist! Let's get teh frame right from the start this time, and subliminally link him with Williams and god knows who else.

What he is needs to be made clear to the public.

-Hoot
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:01 AM
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1. You gotta add something....
how about Pimp Propagandist? :evilgrin:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:02 AM
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2. Yep
Propagandist isn't the most lyrical of words, but it is the most accurate.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:02 AM
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3. i like this one....PropaGannonist
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:17 AM
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6. PropaGannonist
This could be a meme symbolic of the paid propagandists.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:45 PM
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16. It does have a certain ring to it, eh? N/T
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:45 PM by hootinholler
-Hoot
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:49 PM
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Yes, its rather fun to say, too
prop-a-gan-non-ist

:kick:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:03 AM
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4. 100% correct. We should STOP mentioning his GAY life
and concentrate on his propping up the White House.
Also, it is against the law to use aliases when applying for FBI clearance as he did to get access to the WH.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:35 AM
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11. The gay part of the story is still important.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 11:36 AM by Benhurst
"Gannon" is a man who runs an "escort" service (homosexual prostitution) and a pornographic gay web site and is given security clearance by the FBI. That is an important part of the story. Something is rotten at the White House -- and the FBI.

Gay or straight, this is a story with legs. This is on the order of the Profumo scandal which brought down the British government in the early 1960s.

And it is a more sensational story than that of Michael Jackson -- if our tabloid MSM doesn't pick up on this, it's a clear sign the free press in this country is dead and buried.

And what of our White House Press Corps? What a joke! They deferred to a male prostitute when it came to access to the pResident of the United States. No, the gay part of the story should not be dropped. It's an important element.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:07 AM
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5. Don't forget his access to the classified Plame memo - that's the smoking
gun of the whole thing. Well, that and the coincidence of his potential involvement with male prostitution and the earlier stories of Reagan/Poppy Bush White House scandal involving male prostitutes.
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:23 AM
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7. Something else bugs me about all this
Let's take it as a given that the White House could have bought off innumerable propagandist /reporters/whatever with White House press passes.

Given that there exists such a large pool to choose from, why... *why* would they pick someone who was not only setting up gay military prostitution sites, but maybe more importantly had no legitimacy as a reporter? Why wouldn't they pick up someone who had a history in journalism? Why wouldn't they *at least* vet the guy?

It doesn't seem right. And I just can't buy that it was wild carelessness/stupidity. Something here doesn't add up, and that suggests to me that there's more to this story than we know - and that it's something even more unseemly that what has come out so far.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:30 AM
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8. It bugs me too -
but then again, Kerik was nominated for Homeland Security Chief in what seemed to be a careless moment for the WH.
There's either more to it, or the WH has made two mistakes in recent months due to their overblown self-confidence. Let's hope it's the latter and there's more "carelessness" to come.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:43 AM
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12. Recent months? This happened over a year ago. N/T
-Hoot
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:45 AM
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13. Yes!
There are several possibilities, but understanding the why Gannon is key.

-Hoot
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:48 PM
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17. excellent question
On another thread, someone has proposed that Gannon obtained his seat by holding the power to blackmail someone in the WH.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:59 PM
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22. That just doesn't make sense.
That he obtained the seat via blackmail. Now the idea that he was given the seat to ensnare people to be blackmailed does. Check out this thread.

-Hoot
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:51 PM
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20. Snowgoose would you post this
as its own thread, please? I want to see this post get more attention, because you are asking some really good questions here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:53 PM
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21. Bush, loyalty & stooges
His administration is full of them. That's the way he operates. Rice, Gonzales, Miers, Spelling; a bunch of Bush stooges. Spelling doesn't even have a degree in education. Loyalty means more than qualification.

Not to mention the fatal flaws of a Republican. Arrogance, no imagination, no foresight. They are incapable of imagining a Republican has character flaws and/or are too arrogant to believe they'll be caught.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:08 PM
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24. Because either McClelland or Mehlman were F*CKING him,
(or both), there's your answer right there. Completely unsubstantiated of course, but a nice wild guess. :evilgrin:
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:25 PM
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25. Rush probably took a lunge in there too. And Hannity. LOL!
:smoke:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:27 PM
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27. McClellan has ALWAYS set my gaydar off on DEFCOM 10.
Seriously.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:31 AM
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9. WARNING...
Some lizards when they're pursued drop their tails...

The gay thing is the tail... I'm real hungry and I want lizard.

GO FOR THE LIZARD!

I wish you all good luck and good hunting.



:)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:34 AM
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10. But the answer to "Who's propagandist?" seems important
and simultaneously pretty obvious.

I spent a little while googling about applications for press credentials for various circumstances.

In light of the sort of minimum standards required for things like trade shoes on electric cars (the EDTA convention), Talon and Gannon seem very questionably credible for access to the White House press briefing.

Most of the credential applications available for viewing on the net are events (trade shows, sports events, trials etc.)

Typically, writing for a website is not considered sufficient to be credible. This seems an attempt to prevent self appointed journalists of "vanity" presses from being credentialed. And also limits access to free registration to events whose attendees may spend tens or hundreds of dollars in registration fees.

Several of the applications I read suggested that the media entity that a reporter represents MUST be supported by subscriptions and/or advertising.

Often websites were considered unworth of credentialing. Bloggers gaining credentials to the Kobe trial and the Democratic Convention were considered remarkable events.

Agencies like the New Jersey State Police expect you to be part of a news organization that regularly publishes.

That Talon News would come into existence and within weeks get White House access simply reeks of irregularity.

It's the sort of thing that would require someone to work around normal channels and it would have to include help from well placed person or persons in the White House. That help would have to come from a person or persons with sufficient authority to convince white house security staff to set aside concerns about irregularities.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:19 PM
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14. Call him a Bush fraudulent plant
Don't let the administration off the hook. Gannon was a plant.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:25 PM
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15. How about "Pimpagandist"?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:49 PM
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19. You have me rolling with that one.
That's it, he's a pimpagandist.

Heck the press are presstitutes.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:49 PM
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18. I agree.
I think us Dems need to LABEL events and people properly RIGHT from the get go and use the labels all the time.

Gannon is a propagandist. bush is a lying warmonger. The war in Iraq is a nasty, immoral, unjust attack on a soveriegn nation.

Right wingers will protest the first few times they hear such things, but if you use labels like that over and over and over, they will stop.

Just a little something I learned from the Hitlerazis on the right.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:59 PM
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23. He's a prostitute with a press pass.
Now imagine if Clinton had given a press pass to a call girl. The repigs wouldn't be debating what to call her. They would be accusing Bill or even Hilliary of engaging her services. So we should be asking just who knows this guy so well. Who would have him hanging White House so he could be contacted on short notice.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:26 PM
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26. A real media whore!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:31 PM
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28. a Propagandist tool
he didn't act on his own accord - he was bought and payed for, like many others.

We might want to get people wondering:
Who payed for him and why?
How many others were payed for?
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