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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:38 PM
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I cannot believe they are going to scrap the Hubble
How tragic is this?

The farthest we've ever peered into what surrounds us, into our own neighborhood, into what is - and we will look no more, says bush.

I have to wonder if there's some fundie/killer evangelical influence here. Would they be threatened if Hubble doesn't find God/Heaven out there? Just a thought.

It certainly can't be a decision on scientific value - could there be a more scientifically valuable thing we will be doing instead? This is huge - history making - self-defining stuff.

And its over, for now.

I keep picturing the images of the intolerant Taliban demolishing ancient statues of Budda, despite pleas from the "world community."

What the hell are our priorities as a nation when one of the most significant human efforts in history is ended so easily.

I would love to see a more stable nation offer to buy and repair and maintain the Hubble.

What a giant step backwards for us.



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vpigrad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:39 PM
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1. Repukes hate things they don't understand!
And, since they also hate education, there's a lot they don't understand.

I'm glad those idiots are ignoring space. That's better than trying to destroy it.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:40 PM
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2. But we're still going to Mars,right?
Bush has the attention span of a brick.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:40 PM
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3. Hubble got too close to seeing the Big Bang
It made the fundies very nervous.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:41 PM
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4. I agree
This is the one space program I am for.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:41 PM
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5. Agreed.
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 09:55 PM by Seldona
I think it is a tragedy that we are letting what I believe to be the single most prolific scientific tool man has ever created simply burn up.

I am absolutely awed by the images I have seen from Hubble.

Oh well, got to install our non-working missle defense system I guess.

We all know that terrorists are going to be using Intercontinental Ballistic Missles against us soon.

It is only a matter of time.

Pfft
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:49 PM
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11. Perhaps if we agree to rent it out to the NSA as a spy satellite
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 09:50 PM by Dudley_DUright
part time they will let us fix it and keep it in orbit. This kind of idiotic decision is why scientists (like me) were so passionate about getting Bush out of office. This guy is not only trying to overturn the New Deal, but also the Enlightenment.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:58 PM
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17. Sad thing is,
I am sure there are at least several Hubble type spy satellites turned the other way as we speak.

And they are in absolutely no danger of lack of funding.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:01 PM
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19. Actually, it's a KH-11 "Keyhole" Spy Satellite Pointed the Wrong
way. Or, is it the other way around. Goes to show how ass backwards our priorities are.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:45 PM
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6. Hubble brought light to darkness
Knowledge to ignorance. And worst of all enthusiasm to science.

Science teaches us critical thinking. It gives us tools to question authority. It is a threat to dogma and authority. It must be toppled.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:46 PM
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7. Hubble was about the expansion of knowledge
the perfection of truth.

In PNAC aMurka, space is put in its proper place, the centerpiece of our glorious mayday parades. Let's hoist Limbaugh to Mars, where
he can broadcast the daily Oxy-Rush news of the Universe.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:47 PM
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8. Very sad n/t
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:48 PM
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9. Hey, this amerika under *
we don't do science anymore..we don't need it. Just as we don't need public education anymore.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:48 PM
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10. I'm so pissed about this
scrap the ISS and build 4 more Hubbles. We'd get more out of it.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:52 PM
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12. REMEMBER: Freedom isnt Free!!!
And we are paying for it through our hubble ass.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:52 PM
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13. aren't those awesome pictures?
Those are GALAXIES.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:52 PM
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14. They have increased the socalled "defense budget" while
canning this... now really, which picture do you find more exciting?? Yours or theirs??
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:56 PM
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15. I read somewhere today they are planning to retrieve it....?? Or maybe it
was on the radio, been a hectic day here...
:eyes:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:02 PM
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20. There are countless scientists desperate to save it
They have many plans ready to put into action to save it. They just need a green light.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:57 PM
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16. Who needs science when you have God?
Besides, the concept of the Universe is foreign to Bush and his Fundamentalist brethren. Much easier to believe in an Alpha/Omega being who created everything in a week, and thereafter spent most of his attention on one small planet. Sure.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:59 PM
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18. Knowing the truth could be dangerous to their bottom lines, or
could it be that the sciences of destruction are trumping the sciences of enlightment. Apparently none of the oil crowd must own any significant shares in the industries of space exploration that doesn't involve a Buck Rogers spaceship to Mars.
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:07 PM
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21. The 11th characteristic of Fascism is...
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:11 PM
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22. There is only one priority here
Chimp needs to fund his pet war. His base "the have mores" won't have to fund it since he has favored them with major tax breaks.

So, in the end, there is only so much that they can bleed out of the working classes, and believe you and me they will go to every extreme (vampires that they are) to suck the blood out of us.

Every social program in this country will be disabled in order to fund Chimp's pet war. And this suits their neocon purposes since they believe that social programs (including anything that doesn't offer a profit incentive) cater to people who are dedicated to mooching off the government.

If they destroy the infrastructure of this country in the meantime, then so much the better. With massive wealth at their disposal, they are all so well situated to weather Armageddon.
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:11 PM
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23. The Hubble....
The Hubble is the greatest of it's kind, and the best view we have in the visible light specturm. The Spitzer space telescope, and that other one.. the Webb, will be looking at other wavelengths than visible light.

The Hubble is a great success story after an initial almost-failure and is stil working years past it's designed lifetime.

I really think they should save the Hubble, and just for the sake of fairness, I have to say a large number of people on the right want Hubble saved. I don't think it has anything to do with the religious right, I think it has to do with diverting the money to other NASA projects (moon/Mars) since I believe NASA's overall budget has gone up. (I could be wrong)

This is part of a larger issue. I realize the Hubble's loss may be for the sake of manned missions to the moon and Mars. There needs to be money for both!!

We are such a wealthy nation, and I can think of very few things as worthwhile as space exploration for a GDP like ours. This is our destiny, to explore. For Pete's sake already!!

It pisses me off every time I think about it, what we COULD be doing versus what we ARE doing. If it was up to me I would massively cut government spending for billions of dollars worth of worthless crap, and I would submit a budget for space exploration that would make the NASA engineers cream their pants. We'd have a colony on the moon and a man on Mars in 12 years. I would set it out the way Kennedy did. Ahh, to dream. If I could snap my fingers and put myself in charge, the DEA would disbanded by MIDNIGHT tonight and their budget diverted to NASA, in it's entirety.

Heyo
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