Beat them to it. A United Stand Against War...No One Joins...Screw the

[evolvenow]

Impending Draft.

Colleges across the country need to coordinate an "Absolute No", before they roll it out, or before the next orchestrated event.

No parent, sister, brother, lover, wife, husband, child, aunt, uncle, grandparent, friend allows their loved one to join, volunteer or drafted.

Let them fight their own damn wars, and see how fast that folds.

Hell NO!!

[Mr Blonde]

1. A problem...

That's assuming everyone believes what we believe. You and I and many millions of people surely oppose this war. But there will be many millions who are gung-ho and will go no matter what. Ya can't make them bend to your will. Preaching to the choir.

[gatorboy]

26. If millions are so gung-ho to join up...

Why are they having so much trouble recruiting at the moment? :shrug:

[peacebird]

2. i like it.

or at least let the repugs who voted for this "catastrophic success" provide the cannon fodder in Iraq.

[me b zola]

10. That is my thought

Make it a repub only draft.

[Acryliccalico]

3. I like this too

:hippie:

[Mr Blonde]

4. What would be a good idea

Would be to impose a "Draft Republicans" rule. Let the Bushites have first crack at fighting for the democracy they so believe in.

[tralfaz]

6. The last time

that I checked there was no draft and the only people in the military are those that actually volunteered to be there. Sorry but I am getting sick and tired of people complaining about having to go off and fight because they are in the military. THEY JOINED, NOBODY STUCK A GUN TO THEIR HEAD AND FORCED THEM. I joined the army at the age of 18 and I understood all of the things that joining the military entails. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time sending any 18 year old off to die for his/her country, but in the end, they did join.

[thebigidea]

12. why, do soldiers often complain to you about having to fight?

seems like rather a strange complaint you have there...

[Acryliccalico]

21. If you can take

yourself back to the time before* you can see that most joined because they wanted an education, or a job, or to try to better themselves. At that time there was no war. It had been awhile since we had a war and the last one was easy. We went in blew the sh** out of Iraq and got the he** out, with very little casualties. These are young people. The only war they knew of was on the TV screen playing a video game. Maybe you knew or wanted to be in this mess but I am willing to bet that most of these kids never knew what was going to hit them.

[tralfaz]

25. Anybody who joined

or re-upped in the years since Sep 11 2001, would have to be a complete idiot if they didn't realize that they would probably end up being shot at. You make it sound as though joining the military is the same as joining a frat house. Wake up. Yes the military does help with humanitarian issues, but that is not there number one priority.

Maybe you knew or wanted to be in this mess but I am willing to bet that most of these kids never knew what was going to hit them.

Then why did they join? This is what they are paid to do. This is the reason why they take people and pay for their education. Hell, everybody would join if the only thing that you had to do was to work for 2-4 years and get your entire college education paid for. This is what they are trained to do. I’m sorry for the ranting, I'll leave now.

[Acryliccalico]

27. tralfaz, sorry you left

but if you think that most of the kids, that are in now, joined after 9/11 then maybe you need to do some research. You find out what % was already signed up before 9/11. The ones who joined up after 9/11, joined to fight terrorists, not Iraq. Didn't Rummy say Iraq would be a "Cake Walk"? Weren't the Iraqi people supposed to greet us with "flowers"? I stand by my statement.

[evolvenow]

8. Excellent idea! kick!

[deutsey]

28. Bushites do not believe in democracy

They believe in whatever bullshit justification Bush comes up for going to war.

If he said going to war with Iraq was necessary because there were orange, eight-foot tall Venusian Poodle People in Iraq bent on world domination, and it was followed by an all-out marketing campaign like the original invasion was, Bushites would swallow it hook, line and sinker.

[wadestock]

5. The degree of poverty in this country will be on the rise.....

as the country goes bankrupt, benefits are cut, wages fall, jobs are unavailable, and 1000s of illegal immigrants come in.

This is the most ideal scenario to maintain the volunteer army.

The scum bag businessmen who have exploited this wonderful volunteer army NEED it just the way it is so they can EXPLOIT IT and do their dirty work....so they'll more or less keep it going the way it is.

[evolvenow]

7. Didn't Canada mention that it would take objectors? Canada is beautiful...

I can imagine many moving there, much better than joining the War Criminal War for other countries resources.

[ramadoss]

9. Draft?

I don't believe we will see a general draft. We might see a specialized draft though. I wouldn't be surprised if we have to stay in Iraq for an extended time with consistant fighting that we would see medical personnel being drafted. Still, that's only if we are there for a few more years and if the attacks stay constant.

[thebigidea]

13. so, do you expect them to magically stop attacking? or for us to leave?

[ramadoss]

15. I expect

Iraq to take over it's own security duty eventually and for us to leave.

[thebigidea]

16. and give up 14 bases in the heart of the middle east?

14 bases needed since we quietly crept out of Saudi Arabia?

14 bases needed for further ME hijinks?

Sure, "freedom and democracy for the poor Iraqi people" is a cute Straussian myth to sell the rubes... but do you think Wolfowitz wants us out of Iraq?

[evolvenow]

18. They want Perpetual War, Let them fight it...BioDiesel, no blood, less

pollution, supports US farmers... Go Willie Go!


The Austin Chronicle: News: Now Appearing on Local Stages: Willie ...
... Biofuels. BY DANIEL MOTTOLA Willie fuels up his tour bus with his own "BioWillie" fuel, a soy-based diesel. photo by Paul Galland. ...

www.austinchronicle.com/pols_feature5.html - 49k - Jan 31, 2005 -

[leftchick]

20. Not a chance. The US plan is for a permanent presence in the ME

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&ncid=742&e=5&u=/thenation/20050118/cm_thenation/132132

While the exact figure may change, suspicions of undisclosed US imperial plans--exemplified by permanent military bases--rightfully linger. Before the war, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz suggested moving US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia into Iraq. In October, a survey by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes found that two-thirds of respondents disapproved of a permanent military presence, even though more than half thought the US would build the bases anyway.


Now comes a report in the New York Sun by Eli Lake revealing that the Pentagon (news - web sites) is building a permanent military communications system in Iraq, a necessary foundation for any lasting troop presence. The new network will comprise twelve communications towers throughout Iraq, linking Camp Victory in Baghdad to other existing (and future) bases across the country, eventually connecting with US bases in Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan (news - web sites).


"People need to get realistic and think in terms of our presence being in Iraq for a generation or until democratic stability in the region is reached," Dewey Clarridge, the CIA (news - web sites)'s former chief of Arab operations (and Iran-contra point man), told the Sun.


The fabled "exit strategy" may be not to exit. Thomas Donnelly, a defense specialist at the American Enterprise Institute, said the new communication system resembles those built in West Germany and the Balkans, places where American troops remain today. "The operational advantages of US bases in Iraq should be obvious for other power-projection missions in the region," Donnelly wrote in an AEI policy

[Acryliccalico]

22. Are you living in the

REAL world ramadoss? This government wants war forever!!! They don't want to get OUT. WAKE UP!!!:wtf:

[evolvenow]

11. Wait until they roll out their next war...I am concerned, no one should go

Everyone should put down their guns, and walk away...straight to Canada.

[kendall]

14. Hey, looks like it worked already!

Whew! That was close, but I guess it worked because there is no sign of a draft.

So that means we don't need to see any more of these "insightful" articles about the draft anymore, right?

[thebigidea]

17. interesting to see how talk of a draft seems to ruffle certain feathers

how much "spreading freedom" and "ending tyranny" can you do with a seriously overtaxed military?

"I earned political capital... and I intend to spend it."
- Our Heroic Leader

[evolvenow]

19. Exactly! kick

[drthais]

23. this has been my stance all along....

I have two draft-age sons
PLUS a son-in-law
PLUS a daughter of draft age
and if you toss in the two nephews
well

looks like a big chunk of THIS family!
I told my boys last year
that, if a draft is instated
and they get a draft card
I will stand in the street WITH them
as they burn it as a contientious objector
and we'll ALL go to jail together! dammit!

[evolvenow]

24. Yes, if 14+ psychotic people want Perpetual War, kick-Let them be the

Soldiers.

No Soldiers, no war...that is until they get their robots up to speed...

No more killing, period. Go to Canada, Screw these War Criminals.

No more Murder, No more Occupation....Absolute Intelligence, Emotional Intelligence....put down the guns, and say "No" to death, "Yes" to Life.

No one wants to lose a loved one for these b*stards.