Do any of you have the pleasure of living away from neo-con "Christians?"

[noahmijo]

Or any yahoo radical religious followers of ANY religion for that matter? I'm a Catholic who worships in private and despises the institutional aspect of religion ALL RELIGIONS.

I'll live near transvestites who party till the am hours to get the hell away from these yahoo rubes who long for the days of witch burnings. It would be cool to be in a neighborhood of Buddhists cause I know they don't go door to door trying to sell me bullshit after which they go home to their 8 wives or back home to beat their kids in the name of the lord!

Any advice anyone? I understand these people breed by the second so there is no place in this country especially that is free of them but there's gotta be places where they are at least scarce.

[Hugin]

1. Any leads?

Being a wayward liberal Quaker I tend to keep the religion to
myself... Then silly me, I married into a pack of "them".

Where is there peace?

[noonwitch]

2. They're everywhere

The best thing to do is to get to know them and be a good neighbor. You're not going to agree with everyone you meet in life and they may be annoying sometimes, but they are not bad people. Ned Flanders is not a bad person on "The Simpsons".
If they get too annoying, have your transvestite friends come over for a party, and invite the fundamentalists, too. That way you include everyone. Help them put the "fun" back in fundamentalism.

[noahmijo]

4. that's hilarious

The Ned Flanders variety I can actually tolerate to an extent of keeping contact to a friendly minimum, but the variety I'm constantly exposed to is the "I'm a big tough cowboy and you're a sissy liberal hahahahahahah!" BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH WHOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!! and THOSE kind I cannot tolerate and will not tolerate.

[Tyler Durden]

3. Soon, very soon.

Canada, here we come!

[Nay]

26. I second Canada. Very little of that shit goes on there.

Also, you will see less of it in some western states like Montana, where the imperative to mind your own damn business is stronger than the imperative to spread your religion around. There are still people who will pop you one if you get too nosy or pushy.

[jackster]

5. come on up to Massachusetts!

or most any NE state. We have a few christofascists and neocons but not enough to make much of a stink.

[WildClarySage]

14. But it's too cold there!

not that it's much warmer here in WV...

[jackster]

17. we have heat up here

and once the winter's over - the springs, summers, and falls are glorious!

Hey, I left FLA 25 years ago to move here and I don't regret it one bit!

(ok, ok, maybe on those 0 degree days, but when I realize how lucky I am to live in the bluest of blue states, its all worth it!)

[Swamp Rat]

6. I live in New Orleans...

... need I say more? :D

[sweetheart]

7. The scottish highlands are blissfully empty

:-) There are plenty of religious folk, but they generally keep to
their churches and otherwise, there are real religious folk as well
who are just pleasant to meet and greet... and the nazi prodestant
judgemental religious ones... still keep to the church...
so it seems to fit your criteria.

I imagine bits of hawaii are chilled like you want. Probably vermont
as well, surely up near the canadian border... and wyoming/montana
if you get remote enough.

[MissB]

8. Oregon is relatively non-religious

I think we rank up at the top of the most un-churched state.

If I have fundie neighbors, I don't know about them. I can recall only one time in my entire adult life that I have had someone come to my door to discuss religion with me. And that must've been years ago.

[noahmijo]

25. I heard Oregon is loaded with fundie Protestants

However their voting record speaks for itself as a blue state overall from what I can tell.

[superconnected]

9. this is interesting

I have never had a catholic come up to my door and try to pedal catholicism.

I've had mormons and Jehova Witnesses. Both are hard to get rid of. I've had Christian literature on my car telling me they were opening a new church in the neighborhood.

I wouldn't mind living next to transvestites but if they were partying till the wee hours, and I could hear it, I would move. I have a job and need the sleep.

As long as my neighbors are quite, leave me alone, and don't prop up giant pro bush signs, I'm okay with them.

As far as inlaws, I happily got rid of the back stabbing leave you in the ditch mormons inlaws when my grandmother died. and my immediate family quit seeing that side.

Our Christmas' are remarkably nicer now. Eons different that what it was like before with the Mormon side involved. We should have gotten away from them years ago but we didn't realize how much better it would be.

But then we may have just had the worst mormons in their sect, I'm not sure.

[kiraboo]

40. That must be because my mother-in-law hasn't found you yet.

She'd show up on any pretext to spread her Catholic gospel... not that she's ever actually read the bible itself.

[AutumnMist]

10. I A, Sure That You Were

heavy on the sarcasm when you made some of the statements that you made. Maybe not.....LOL. There will always be people who believe in different and vast religious callings, no matter were you go. As a child of parents who were christian, in the sense that they believed that there was a higher God....I find some of the statements you said to be offensive. I am not a "breeder" nor were my parents. We weren't beaten, nor did my Father have seven other wives to bide his family time. I know of very few families like that, and beating children is not just an occurrence in religious families. Going door to door or not. Its a dysfunctional family problem. The disease of judgment and physical abuse stretches far beyond income, religious belief, or otherwise. If you would like to live in a place that doesn't suffer from these maladies, you should visit abuse centers. Go to family shelters and help within society. It makes a much bigger impact than judgment on others. :)

[ieoeja]

18. What makes you a neo-con?

Since you were defending yourself from the author's attack on "neo-con" Christians, you must be a neo-con, or there would have been no reason to defend yourself.

[noahmijo]

21. Yep I was attacking neo-cons

In case you missed it I admitted that I'm technically a Christian myself and I professed my dislike for the institutional aspect of it which I proudly and without shame attack on a regular basis as it is corrupt and more than deserving of it.

[AutumnMist]

34. Actually, No

I grew up in a home that is liberal and free thinking. All of my family are Democrats. It's a myth (one that I was hoping to bring attention) that Democrats couldn't and/or shouldn't have any religious beliefs at all. I have walked districts and attended Union/Democrat rallies my entire life. My Father is a Harvard graduate in Union Law. I worked phone banks for the Democrat cause instead of going to parties as a teenager. All of my siblings were raised to do something. I was raised to do something in the shadow of JFK and Martin Luther King. You do so by presence, not by hate, and you are defined by what you do for others. I have worked in homeless shelters, and in HIV clinics. I have rallied for the right to live in PEACE, without conservative bullshit. As did my parents. So no, I am not a neo-conservative anything. I am sorry that you didn't ask for further information about who I am before you made the neo-crap judgment. Don't define me because you think I am a certain way. Please ask first...

[Canuckistanian]

11. We don't have 'em in Canada

I'm not saying they don't exist here, but they're certainly not seen in public very often.
We have a very low tolerance for proseletyzers. We only see the occasional JW and it's easy to fake not being home.

[Mr. McD]

12. I don't know any hardcore fundies

If they are in my neighborhood I have never met them. When church folk come to the door a polite "no thank you" or a "I wouldn't be interested thank you" sends then on their way. I have a few friends who attend church and are involved in their churches. We have gotten drunk together on occasion but we never talk religion. :shrug:

[seabeyond]

13. i am surrounded, wink n/t

[Mr Blonde]

15. Interesting fact

I was born and raised in New York, and that is where I voted in 2004. The county I moved to in Pennsylvania this year, out of some 55,700 voters in '04, went to Dubya by exactly 34 votes.

[donheld]

23. Welcome to DU Mr Blonde

:hi:

[ieoeja]

16. Chicago

Don't get that sort of thing around here. Which gives me great opportunities to poke fun at my relatives in southern Indiana when they complain about "the school having a HOLIDAY show instead of a CHRISTMAS show".

Here in this northern, liberal, big city where they have to designate Democrats to act as Republican election judges because they simply can not find enough Republicans to do the job, my child goes to a PUBLIC school where they have a CHRISTMAS show and CHRISTMAS tree and CHRISTMAS decorations. Why is this not a problem with all us liberals? Because we don't have a bunch of Christian-Facists abusing the non-Christian population. So nobody feels threatened, left out, etc.

[almostfamous74]

19. Seattle - Yay!

I've lived in fundie hell for years (lancaster, pa) and made the move many years ago...first to evergreen state college to wash the repub funk off of me, then up to seattle. i've been happier here than anywhere else in the country. tolerance is something that people here have plenty of : )

[noahmijo]

20. Seattle is actually my target place so far

I lived originally in NYC which I wouldn't mind living in today but cost of living is way too high for a college grad at the moment. Silverdale is one of the nicest little towns I've ever seen.

[Cats Against Frist]

39. Seattle is WOOONDERFUL

I miss it so much. Next to Stockholm, it's the coolest city I've ever been to/lived in.

On a clear day, on top of some of the hills, you can see the Olympics, the Cascades, the sound -- it smells like fish & diesel fuel downtown, it's only two hours from the ocean, two hours from Mt. Rainier, it has great clubs, it's VERY liberal -- THOUGH, some of my favorite neighborhoods are going more "corporate," like Fremont, and losing some of their character.

Downtown is cool. I'm going to get choked up. It will be at least two years before I get to move back.

[Bluebear]

22. New Hampshire

I chatted with a campus crusade for Christ specialist from one of the colleges here who said California and New Hampshire are the most "spiritually dark" of all the states. I explained that we have people of faith here but it is not in our nature to wear such things on our sleeves.

Overall it's a peaceful place to live.

[donheld]

24. I've separated myself from most all repuglicans.

My mother is the only repug i talk to and i even have cut back on that. We avoid politics. I'm quite lucky to have surrounded myself with a good amount of progressives. Makes life easier.

[smirkymonkey]

27. New York, NY

There are probably a fair amount even here, but they don't dare get vocal about it. You just never know who your messing with, so fundies aren't all that aggressive here - at least not in Manhattan.

[prodigal_green]

30. I believe NYC has the most houses of worship per square mile

in the United States (more specifically, Brooklyn), and yet one can happily exist (most of the time) without ever having to know about what goes on inside any of them. Well, unless you are unfortunate enough to get stuck on a subway car when a preacher comes on board.

I think it is because it is not in the Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim tradition to prosthelatize and protestants are a minority here. Heck, whites only make up a plurality rather than a majority.

[Vinca]

28. The important question here is . . .

where the hell do you live so we won't make the mistake of going there?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

29. Rhode Island is fine......

....just beware the state reps and sens who disguise themselves as Dems to get elected.

[Riding this Donkey]

31. Well.....

You can try Montserrat. I heard there is hardly anyone living there and the 350K homes going for 100K. But you should only move there if you are not afraid of exploding or active volcanoes.

Just watched a show on this last night in the boston tv market.

[Malva Zebrina]

32. Seldom see any here in Maine

or see few religico neo-cons either.

We do not take kindly to advertising religion on street corners or in any public place, such as Wal Mart parking lots (which I saw more than once in Kentucky in my travels there ) It seems that religion here is a matter of personal and private involvement that is==well personal,private and exercised as such. I have not seen much proselytizing, except a few books I took out of the library had some religious biblical tracts in them ,which I took care to note to the librarian. and in the local supermarket, some biblical tracts were laid out amongst the canned mushrooms a while back. I have seen no more of them for several months now.

[kiraboo]

42. In Bangor

I had both the Mormons and the J.Witnesses at the door constantly for a year or two after we moved to the area. I was also invited to attend several different churches by various neighbors... I've never really experienced that before. One fellow persisted in bringing me literature of all sorts, including the "Left Behind" series, for the five years before he finally moved. And I've been accosted twice in the Shop N Save parking lot and once on my own street - all three times by the same guy - who's apparently filled to the brim and overflowing with the love of Jesus. Nice dude, but give up already.

[independentchristian]

33. You are attacking the wrong people by attacking "Christians"

When you have some Democrats who don't even know what a "neocon" is, do you really think that most of the Christians who voted for Bush have a clue what a neocon is?

What you all need to do is expose the neocons and their agenda, especially PNAC, for what they are.

You thinking that "Christians are bad" isn't going to get you anywhere, especially when most Americans, including Democrats, classify themselves as "Christian."

These people blindly support the neocon agenda because of "Bush", not because they support or even know what the neocons are about.

That's why I keep saying, Go after PNAC and neoconservatism. Go after Moon, and dump any politician, Democrat or Republican who is in Moon's pocket (Harold Ford, Jr, Lieberman, Bush, McCain, etc).

Expose the corruption, not hate people who think they are doing the right thing, even if they are not.

[Hardrada]

35. Some fundie presence in our town

But they are not a significant cultural presence. Main churches are Catholic and Lutheran. Catholics pretty much still Dems. The Lutherans are the old-line GOP only with better music.

[Malva Zebrina]

37. I understand your angst

but imo it is the "other" Christians who have not spoken out at all against the Christian religion that supports Bush.

They are all Christians and as such, why do they NOT speak out.

Personally, I am on the outside looking in, not being a religious beliecver and I have watched this takeover for at least ten or more years.

NO other Christian spoke out, as they all watched this takeover.

Get the religious people to speak out if they have any concern over the separation of church and state, or if they have any concern over the tyrannical, but politically powerful cults that have usurped the Christian religion and made it into an arm of the government.

It is NOT OUR FAULT

[independentchristian]

41. Because they are uninterested in the political process

Just like most people.

There are actually just as many Christians in this country who hold the views of Jim Wallis as those who blindly listen to the Moonie Jerry Falwell.

They don't speak out. Should they, yes, but they don't, because they are uninformed and uninterested.

[Malva Zebrina]

47. well then

someone has failed to bring it to the attention of the believers.

It is NOT US.

I do not for one moment believe that those who preach from the pulpit, are not aware that what they are teaching is inconsistent and full of fallacies. They do so, however, imo, knowlingly, in spite of that. If they have any sense of the literature of the bible, and have any modicum of intelligence they certainly are aware of all the fallicies therin of what they preach.

They preach the abstract of "faith" and it has no challenge. It cannot be challenged and so it is used as the justification of much tyranny, which is also historical.

Faith, and the arguments for or against, are useless arguments in which anyone needs to become involved. "Faith" cannot be argued for obvious reasons.

But I fail to see how this "faith" can overide tyranny and fascism or the "right thing to do".

Does it?

It has not when we consider the "faith" of George Bush.

It seems that way since few are willing to challenge that cult like faith of George Bush et al who use it to foster fascism. And that is not new, btw. History has shown that indeed, religion will go along to piggy back on the power if it gives it, and it's hierophants, power.

Indeed, it seems to be complicit in the use of it's faith to heap all sorts of tyranny upon the world if it does not challenge the religious cult like activity currently in fashion in the US under Geoprge Bush.

There is little difference,indeed, between this "faith" and that of the faith of the fundamentalist Arabs.

And, no one is willing to say so from the religious community that once was mainstream. Either that, or they have lost their faithful to a community of trendy, greedy materialistic communicants, who do believe that the religion gives the riches and power and status amongst their peers and that is a plus, in their eyes.

And that includes the ministers or the preachers who are looking for that tax payer money in the form of the government welfare faith based initiatives of George Bush, no matter how pious their missionary work or their soup kitchens or their anti-abortion stances seem to be.

[mitchum]

44. Absolutely! It wasn't MY faith that was hijacked by those dirtbags

Why do we heathens have to be the ones to point out that these assholes are hardly "Christian"?

[Eurobabe]

36. Just moved to southern OH, it's infested here

I can't turn around without someone shoving something related to Christ down my fucking throat.

I went to a new dry cleaners today? Their business card has the damn FISH logo on it. What is this CULT?????

I have no problems with people worshipping their own deity, but what I have a problem with is the in your face Christians. This country is so screwed!!

[Cats Against Frist]

38. They ARE everywhere

I moved from Seattle to the most liberal city in Iowa, and though I don't KNOW any of these people, I sense they're around. A license plate here, a news report there.

Even my yahoo rube relatives are all just consumers and CHINOS (I saw this today, and I LOVE it), so even there, there are no right-wing Christian whack-os.

I really don't even know what they look like. I started a thread a few weeks back that asked for help identifying them.

But yeah -- it's a beautiful thing to be without.

[maxsolomon]

43. i don't think you know what a Neo-Con is.

is has very little to do with religion.

[noahmijo]

45. What do most Neo-Cons classify themselves as?

Have you met any Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindus who have proudly called themselves Neo-Cons?

[DemGirl7]

46. I don't think there is many Neo-con "christians" where I live

in the Mid-hudson valley... I haven't seen a lot and are very scarce... there are some Mormons but very few in number,who got the "I'm not interrested" treatment when they were selling their religion to me at my door.