Conservatives say that we won't leave Iraq if the new govt. asks us to.

[bigtree]

That will show the world that all of the talk of Iraqi 'freedom' and 'democracy' has been a blatent lie. I've maintained all along that whatever government is formed there is not a legitimate, representative authority as long as we have U.S. troops propping them up. Multiple, permanent bases with 100 thousands of American troops on the ground there makes any ruling party a U.S. military dictatorship.

I don't expect our conservative led government here to allow the Shia majority to dictate anything in Iraq and I expect they will find some way to let Saddam's Batthist party to assume more power than they actually achieved in this sham election to provide a wedge against the Shias as the Shi'ites inevitably revert back to Islamic law and seek a theocratic rule.

It almost seems designed to spark the Shi'ites, both in Iraq and Iran, to assert themselves just so we can be justified in knocking them down as we seek to pressure the Shia majority next in Iran. Any way you view this election you have to accept that we have energized the same Islamic forces within Iraq that Bush has been railing against in his next military target, Iran.

Backward ass bullshit. Squandered money and squandered lives, all for a television soap opera where these conservative pundits can slobber about democracy. No matter that our actions have set us back to where we started, with an Islamic controlled state in Iraq that didn't exist before we meddled there, set to provide resistance to any effort we might make to upset the Islamic rule in Iran.

Iran has supported Sadr and all the "Jihadists" in Iraq. Zargawi uses Iran-Iraq borders to go in and out of Iraq. Now we have allied with the sect of Iraq's worst enemies, the Wahabies, who have sought to destroy Iraq and prevent 'democracy' there. Seems that he has played right into bin Laden's hands by openly insinuating ourselves in that region and attaching a permanent U.S. face to whatever conflict that arises there. We're left to wonder just what we are to gain by all of this. There will be no freedom, no democracy until we leave these people to their own fate.

Typical Bush. 'Fix' what isn't broken, and break what had been fixed, all for the inflation of his and his crony's egos. And the rest of the world is left to sacrifice and suffer the consequences. If we are asked to leave we should do so immediately. Anything less is imperialism at best, tyranny at worse. Bush's war, our sacrifice. Cowboy politics played out on the backs of generations to come, even as Bush rides off into the sunset. Jackass.

[K-W]

1. We wont be asked.

They wont ask until we tell them to ask.

[bigtree]

3. The quasi- Islamic theocracy will eventuall revert back to Muslim rule

It's just a matter of time. They will support the Palestinians no matter what the situation in Israel and Israel will eventually oppose the new Shia majority causing us to react as well . . .

[K-W]

13. Then they will be declared terrorists and removed.

Have you forgotten that we had no problem supporting Saddam before he stopped playing ball with us. Disagreeing with us makes you a terrorist.

[bigtree]

14. right

Bush will bring back the Batthists that we spent lives and blood to depose as a wedge against the ones he just hailed as a triumph of democracy. Create a mess to clean it up and declare some sort of manufactured victory. He's a meglomaniac.

[ynksnewyork2]

9. that's right

There's no chance they're asking us to leave anytime soon!!

[cidliz2004]

11. Yeah, we will leave when asked so that we can proclaim complete

victory and a job well done. We will then return to occupy some of those newly built bases to prepare and support our attack on Iran, Syria...and whoever else we see as a threat.

The actual act of "leaving" Iraq will be to strenthen the support of the Administration so that when the Administration wants to invade another country they will have a great deal of support.

Everything is based on illusions. It doesn't matter how things really are, just how they are allowed to appear to be, to the dumb ass American people. Its like watching a magician's show, we see what they want us to see and everything that they do is based on creating those images.

[tuvor]

2. Would bush really leave...

...2 million barrels a day times $50 per barrel?

[bigtree]

5. yeah

What happens when the new 'government' tries to reassert control of the Iraqi oil?

Some democracy, huh?

[Mika]

4. The neocons need the troops in situ for the Iran/Syria op.

So, of course the "new" "Iraqi government" won't ask the occupiers to leave.

[mediaman007]

6. Gees, that would be a waste. We would have to have another election!

I can't believe that we could screw up so badly as to let the wrong people get elected. Rove had all the "good" news break 48 hours before the election. They sent 3 times the number of ballots necessary for the election.

If they didn't get caught here, chances are the Iraqis won't catch them either.

Just wait until the Iraqis farmers discover that they can't save seeds. Presto, more of a need for security.

I'm waiting for the first American baby to be born to a couple of our troops. Will the child have dual citizenship?

[Bouncy Ball]

7. Yep

and I hope they DO ask them. Because then it'll be obvious to all but the biggest Faux listening Kool Aid swilling idiots that we never had any intention of giving them freedom.

Like Ann Coulter said, "Pretty much the whole Middle East is George bush's bitch now."

[peacetalksforall]

8. $2.00 at the pump because we have to pay so many *#$%(( guards

to protect Halliburton and other fav contractors while they siphon the liquids.

[Peak_Oil]

10. We'll leave when...

we've pumped the last of the oil we want. It's all window dressing til then.

[spooked911]

12. Well put! You're exactly right in how f$%@ed up it is.

It makes one sick to see the media lionize him for this crap.

[ucmike]

15. we can't leave

if we leave the place will fall apart from within. if not from within, those decades old enemies sitting next door will rush in and make a mess. iraq can't defend itself and we aren't walking away from the bases we've built. even after we officially exit we will still be there. we won't leave guantanamo, are we leaving new bases in iraq?

[V Lee]

16. I don't think we'll ever leave ...

... part of the neocon's vision is to have a strong military presence in the Middle East. We're building 12-15 military bases in Iraq, and I'll be floored if the neocons just walk away from them. Their plan has always been to establish bases and stay there.

[Swamp Rat]

17. Cowboy politics is right!

[KharmaTrain]

18. Very, Very Well Put

The endgame is to profit in as many ways as possible. This regime's ultimate goal is to enrich its benefactors and this war provides so many outlets for that. From military contractors to oil companies to the networks, everyone is profiting from the destruction of this country. Now they're trying to profit from it's "rebuilding".

In this regime's view, prior to 2000 (when this regime stole power), everthing in this world was wrong. Their mission is to put short-term gain and personal advantage and privilidge over the long-term benefits of all. Who wants to wait 5 or 10 years for changes to evolve naturally, they want them now and will force the issue.

This regime is emboldened that nothing they do is wrong and anything that goes wrong they easily pass the buck. They have a toadie media that they've compromised into total submission and a "mandate" that they believe allows them to run unchecked and unquestioned. Until people start massing in the streets in this country and we stop sitting behind keyboards and unite in a very visible form, this regime will continue to create it's own world and force us to pay for it.