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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:28 PM
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'We are in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government???????
I just heard this twice in the last hour, I swear I may be going nuts. Are they talking about the puppet Allawi gov.? I've never heard this spin before. If I'm not crazy, wasn't Saddam Hussein the Iraqi government and I don't remember Saddam inviting us to attack him. Is this the new lie? Tell me I'm dreaming. Wake me up!!! We did INVADE Iraq didn't we?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:30 PM
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1. We are in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi leaders we appointed...
How kind of us!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:30 PM
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2. one lie is as good as another....
Don't forget that the smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud, and in only forty-five minutes or so. And Saddam drinks the blood of christian babies....
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:30 PM
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3. The government, what little there is of it, we installed requests our
continued involvement. No surprise there. Even if they weren't doing our bidding, if we left, they'd all be slaughtered.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:31 PM
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4. Soviet Union said the same thing about invading Afganistan
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:33 PM
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6. Thanks, I thought I dreamed all that war stuff.
So after we appointed Allawi, he begged us to stay and monitor the elections.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:03 PM
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19. Except in that case, it was actually true.
The Afghan government did invite Soviet troops to fight Brzezinski's "few stirred-up Muslims."
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:31 PM
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5. what?
That doesn't even make sense...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:35 PM
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7. I heard the Iraq ambassador say this and someone earlier on CNN
It appears Allawi asked us to stay so we can now somewhat truthfully say we are in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi Gov. Jeeez
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:37 PM
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8. That's why history classes are useless nowdays
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:40 PM by htuttle
No sense in learning what they are only going to change when it becomes expedient. Better just to remain ignorant, and assume the government tells you the truth.



The alteration of the past is necessary for two reasons, one of which is subsidiary and, so to speak, precautionary. The subsidiary reason is that the Party member, like the proletarian, tolerates present-day conditions partly because he has no standards of comparison. He must be cut off from the past, just as he must be cut off from foreign countries, because it is necessary for him to believe that he is better off than his ancestors and that the average level of material comfort is constantly rising. But by far the more important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics, and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change in doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted. For to change one's mind, or even one's policy, is a confession of weakness. If, for example, Eurasia or Eastasia (whichever it may be) is the enemy today, then that country must always have been the enemy. And if the facts say otherwise then the facts must be altered. Thus history is continuously rewritten. This day-to-day falsification of the past, carried out by the Ministry of Truth, is as necessary to the stability of the regime as the work of repression and espionage carried out by the Ministry of Love.

The mutability of the past is the central tenet of Ingsoc. Past events, it is argued, have no objective existence, but survive only in written records and in human memories. The past is whatever the records and the memories agree upon. And since the Party is in full control of all records and in equally full control of the minds of its members, it follows that the past is whatever the Party chooses to make it. It also follows that though the past is alterable, it never has been altered in any specific instance. For when it has been recreated in whatever shape is needed at the moment, then this new version is the past, and no different past can ever have existed. This holds good even when, as often happens, the same event has to be altered out of recognition several times in the course of a year. At all times the Party is in possession of absolute truth, and clearly the absolute can never have been different from what it is now. It will be seen that the control of the past depends above all on the training of memory. To make sure that all written records agree with the orthodoxy of the moment is merely a mechanical act. But it is also necessary to remember that events happened in the desired manner. And if it is necessary to rearrange one's memories or to tamper with written records, then it is necessary to forget that one has done so. The trick of doing this can be learned like any other mental technique. It is learned by the majority of Party members, and certainly by all who are intelligent as well as orthodox. In Oldspeak it is called, quite frankly, 'reality control'. In Newspeak it is called doublethink, though doublethink comprises much else as well.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:39 PM
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9. Good catch - this is probably the latest talking point
The goons will probably be calling Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy etc (the liberal talk show hosts who accept phone calls from ditto head nut case) with these talking points.

The invasion never happened -- because the now "legitimate" leader -- asked the US -- BEFORE he was an elected leader to invade Iraq. So it's O.k. that all the soldiers are dead -- and we tax payers have paid billions for this mess --

We are in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government.

And the US troops continue to kill Iraqi citizens -- because the Iraqi government has requested that these particular citizens cease to exist.

Iraqi oil is being looted by the US and UK -- because the Iraqi government is so grateful for the invasion that they said -- take whatever you want -- our lives and our oil.

Shall we all sit back and count how many of the bushie cult members repeat this newest talking point? Pull out your lawn chairs and the beer and watch the idiots perform.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:41 PM
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10. The first rule of a Dictatorship - control the military
and control of mass communications. They took both of them over after 911.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:43 PM
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11. And the first rule of Totalitarianism - control history
They seem to be well on their way to doing that here in the States.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:53 PM
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12. That's what this "election" is all about
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:54 PM by Ms. Clio
The "new" government was carefully selected to include only those who are not going to demand withdrawal--so the Iraqis must want the U.S. to stay.

It's very easy to grasp once you know how to completely empty your mind of all traces of discernment and logic.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:55 PM
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13. We knew they would say that though
...that's why the elections



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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:57 PM
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14. Saddam failed to produce evidence that he destroyed
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:58 PM by TWiley
weapons that he did not have; therefore, we were "invited"
So goes the reasoning put out there duriing the run-up to war

Oh yes, then we were liberators. Remember all the flower carrying girls hugging the G.I.'s
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:30 PM
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15. Thought I heard Condi say that this morning.
Then I thought I must be hearing her wrong.
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greyXstar Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:04 PM
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16. self delete
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 05:06 PM by greyXstar
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greyXstar Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:05 PM
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17. She also said we are there under a UN mandate
Just goes to show how stupid they think we really are. They're completely re-writing this in front of our faces and so many will just drink the Kool-Aid and go along. I really just wanna give up sometimes...

What will it take to wake these people up??
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:13 PM
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18. what I heard from CONDI.... (on CNN with Wolfie)
that had my jaw in my LAP (:wow:) was that the IRAQI PEOPLE asked that the US troops be there... under UN MANDATE!

what madness is this?

the IRAQI PEOPLE have had NO voice to ASK for ANYTHING

and when did the UN MANDATE this sick invasion?

can they say ANYTHING now? ANYTHING?

and then the sick icing... CNN had CHALABI on!

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:05 PM
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20. Lies, lies, lies and more lies.
No we are NOT.

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