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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:47 PM
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FACT: The MAJORITY of Iraqi "insurgents" are IRAQIS.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 11:14 PM by LynnTheDem
U.S. Now Finds That Insurgents Are Mostly Iraqis

The battle for the city of Fallujah is giving U.S. military commanders an increasingly clear picture of this country's insurgency, and it is the portrait of a home-grown uprising overwhelmingly dominated by Iraqis, not by foreign fighters.

Of the more than 1,000 men between the ages of 15 and 55 who were captured in intense fighting in the center of the insurgency over the past week, just 15 are confirmed foreign fighters, Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. ground commander in Iraq, said Monday.

American commanders said their best estimates of the proportion of foreigners among their enemy was about 5 percent.

http://middleeastinfo.org/article4833.html

Insurgents Are Mostly Iraqis, US Military Says

The insistence by interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi and many U.S. officials that foreign fighters are streaming into Iraq to battle American troops runs counter to the U.S. military's own assessment that the Iraqi insurgency remains primarily a home-grown problem.

"They say these guys are flowing across and fomenting all this violence. We don't think so," said a senior military official in Baghdad. "What's the main threat? It's internal."

U.S. military officials said the core of the insurgency in Iraq was — and always had been — Hussein's fiercest loyalists, who melted into Iraq's urban landscape when the war began in March 2003. During the succeeding months, they say, the insurgents' ranks have been bolstered by Iraqis who grew disillusioned with the U.S. failure to deliver basic services, jobs and reconstruction projects.

It is this expanding group, they say, that has given the insurgency its deadly power and which represents the biggest challenge to an Iraqi government trying to establish legitimacy countrywide.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0928-21.htm

US, Britain holding 10,000 prisoners in Iraq

350 foreigners are among about 10,000 detainees being held in US-run prisons in Iraq, Iraq's Human Rights Minister Bakhtiar Amin Over says.

"US forces told us on December 23 that they are holding 353 foreign terrorists,"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1273053.htm

353. Out of 10,000. My own small town in Nowhere Texas has far more "non-Americans" than that.

Iraq battling more than 200,000 insurgents
Intelligence chief says most are former baathists


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=11487

Poll: Iraqis out of Patience

A USA Today/Gallup poll conducted in March concluded, “The insurgents...seem to be gaining broad acceptance, if not outright support. If the Kurds, who make up about 13 percent of the poll, are taken out of the equation, more than half of Iraqis say killing U.S. troops can be justified in at least some cases.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm

As much as bush and the bush-bots lie and deny, the majority of the "insurgents" in Iraq are Iraqis.

Edited to add another article originally posted by Ms. Clio;

Nationalism drives many insurgents as they fight U.S.

But a wide range of interviews with Iraqis and U.S. officials here paints a starkly different portrait -- a growing, intensely nationalist resistance determined to remove U.S. forces and their Iraqi allies.

Iraqi politicians do not dispute that foreign fighters are in their country. Posho Ibrahim, Iraq's deputy justice minister, said in an interview this month that the U.S. military has about 100 accused foreign fighters in custody. But they do not see the foreigners as the driving force behind the resistance.

Sharif, who was among the exiled Iraqi opposition figures who initially supported the U.S. invasion, said the typical resistance fighter is a young man with a military background who opposes the occupation...

Wazan said the resistance is led by 20 to 30 armed groups across the country.

"This (insurgency) is a justified action for any people whose country is under occupation," he said.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/10/26/MNG659G46T1.DTL
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:50 PM
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1. Foreigners helped Americans with their insurgency...
I'd say that the foreign mercenaries (French, Germans)that helped Americans expel their British overlords may have amounted to more than 5 percent...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:58 PM
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3. My hubby just said the same thing
And as I posted, our little town here in Texas has waaay more than 353 non-Americans.

There's more than 31,000 members of the US military who are not Americans.

How many "non-Americans" live (legally) in the USA? LOTS.

If the USA were invaded and occupied, imagine how many "insurgents" that were rounded up would be non-Americans! And they'd be called "bush loyalists and foreign fighters", lol!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:45 PM
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10. Orwellian doublespeak....
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...

or...

One man's patriot is another man's insurgent...
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Rapcw Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:58 PM
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2. But, But, But.....
I heard that it was those "insurgents" from Syria and Iran that were doing the "terrarism" and that all those Iraqis are just to scared to give us flowers and that they love America!!!111

:eyes:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:02 PM
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4. *WHAP!!!!*
Snap out of it!!!

Whew, that was CLOSE! For a minute there, the rightwingnuttery had you in their evil grasp!

LOL!!! ;) :D :D :D :D
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Rapcw Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:03 PM
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5. LOL thanks n/t
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:04 PM
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7. Hey, we progressives gotta look out for one another...
the rightwingnuts are tricky little bastards. :D
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:04 PM
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6. Still?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:15 PM
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8. Could you IMAGINE what it would be like if they didn't have 20,000
Iraqi's locked up in prison? Not to mention the tens of thousands they have murdered. So what is their plan? To kill or imprison every Iraqi male?

So much for winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. Of course, we knew from the get go that this would not happen but it's glaringly obvious now.
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Earl Ham Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:15 PM
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9. insurgents!!!!!!!
that is a very harsh word because its just really a word that is easier to swallow but still means civilian or CHILD!!!

i know a person who i got in a debate with and he is for bush,cheney and says the war isnt a bad thing and i said "ya if you think mass murder is not a bad thing". he then said i didnt know that killing insurgents is mass murder. i kinda blanked out for a while and the then told him what "insurgents" really means! it sickens me
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:23 AM
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11. i've said it before and i'll say it again
Worst. President. Ever.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:09 AM
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12. Kick!
:kick:
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