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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:43 AM Original message |
War has NEVER been used to Liberate People |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. WWII comes close in my book |
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RuleofLaw (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Not so |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Agreed, the US could've just bombed the German railroad tracks... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. And they would have just shot the Jews in place.... |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. No that's wrong too. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. An interesting interpretation |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 06:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. That's sheer, utter... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. I agree with you, but history books are only as good as the people |
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kcwayne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Uh, the US entry into the European theater came when Germany declared war |
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chicagiana (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. I doubt it ... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
66. Railroad tracks can be repaired |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
67. During WWII, the German rail system WAS heavily bombed. |
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rkc3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Liberating the Jews was a side effect of that war. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Actually |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Yes, that's true. n/t |
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RuleofLaw (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Just one comment about the Russians |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Stalin was just as bad if not worse than Hitler..... |
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chicagiana (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Stalin was definitely worse ... * |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 12:45 AM Response to Reply #35 |
70. Debatable. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 12:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
68. Very true. In fact... |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. we're talking about the MOTIVES not the results |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 07:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
53. You can't separate a war's... |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. But it wasn't a war FOR liberation, merely OF liberation... |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 12:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Don't forget the Romani. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. Our War of Independence |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. That is true, but... |
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Mabeline (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. We were invaded to keep us loyal to England, they may have seen themselves |
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chicagiana (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
47. England sought to keep the US Colonies ... |
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carnie_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. What about the slaves? eom |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. self deleted |
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bones_7672 (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. Afgahnistan was for 9/11 first, liberation second. n/t |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Revenge, building the oil pipeline there, then installing a puppet govt. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 01:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
71. It was for neither. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. Sherman's march ... |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Interesting point. |
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Charon (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Sherman's march |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. If I remember my family history correctly ... |
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carnie_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
11. The motive for all wars |
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disconnected (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. i can't really think of a war that has ever brought lasting peace |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. 3d Punic war |
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Charon (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. The motive for all wars |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. The American Revolution? |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
19. War never determines who's right, only who's left. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Re: Don't know who said that, |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
24. You're just kidding, right? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. WWII was about stopping Hitler from taking over the world |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I clearly said.... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. The original point of this post was on "primary motives" |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I guess I can't read worth a damn then.... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. My mistake, but that's how I interpreted the post |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. All good - your opinions are surely your own.... /eom |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
56. Kuwait??? Poppa bush admitted it was the OIL. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
26. Deleted message |
Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. What on earth is this? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Deleted message |
Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. That's not a DU post |
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TheKingfish (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. What about North Vietnam |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Horseshit. |
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kostya (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
48. Winning hearts and minds one body at a time. |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
49. Hitler was invading Eastern Europe |
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jakpalmer (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
50. Yugoslavia ? |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Peacekeeping missions |
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jakpalmer (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Well, it looked like a war to me |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Actually to me, too... |
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jakpalmer (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. About UN "peacekeeping" missions... |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. It was UN-authorized. |
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robre (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
51. It is up to the people of the nation to fight for their own liberty. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
54. bush's given reason for invading Iraq was WMD. |
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Red State Rebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
55. Kuwait? n/m |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Not according to Poppa bush |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
58. Reasons for war are never singular |
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