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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:35 PM Original message |
What Can Be Done To Make A Better Computer Voting Machine? |
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Gothmog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Paper trail is a must |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Forgot About That One |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
89. Not only a paper trail but paper BALLOTS. |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'd much prefer low-tech nationwide when it comes to voting. |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Also, Lets Restrict This To The Original Topic |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Humans make counting mistakes too. |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. People Here Don't Seem To Trust the Computer At All |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Me too. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. hand counting hasn't caused the problems there are now |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. We're Talking About Ways To Make It Open Source |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. LBJ & Daley did very effective jobs at rigging hand counting. NT |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. it's not about counting mistakes, it's about rigging the system |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
52. I agree and... |
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radwriter0555 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
101. Incarcerate all the PNAC loyalists first. |
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. It already exists unlike the Inventor. |
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nascarblue (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. The fact that they killed off the maker of a paper trail machine.... |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Avoid The Conspiracy Theories, Please |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. Please stop attempting to stifle/suppress helpful posts by using the |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
94. I don't think you are up to doing anything about anything. |
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. Thanx for the info I didn't know |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Paper. Pen. Hand counts in every precinct. Public Witnesses. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. With the ballot boxes in the middle of the room |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Problem Is A Lot of People Prefer The Touchscreen To The Older Methods |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. This is all just so ridiculous. |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yes, I Think There Should Have Been More Research |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. paper trail |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It Would Be Better To Do Both |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Dude, it's EASY. But paper accountability is key. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
37. "money already spent" |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. And a simple spreadsheet as the tabulator... |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. it would be simple |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Could Someone Tamper With The Machines By Actually Printing Fake Papers |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. If they print out fake copies then people should check the printout |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm Talking About An Individual Intentionally Printing Some Papers Out |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Then you make it so they can only print one copy. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. With my tinfoil hat securely in a lockbox, I say |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. You should do both for proper accounting procedures. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. Maybe the wrong guys are making them. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Slot machines have weaknesses too. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. You have made the best case for getting legislation in |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thank You. Yes, and auditable paper trail is a must. NT |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
21. Any Computer Experts Here |
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nascarblue (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Theres no protection at all. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. no way to know since it's a trade secret |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. We Are Sure That It's Windows, Though |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:23 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. doesn't tell you much |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. We Already Know Several Flaws That Are Just In Windows Alone N/T |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
28. A serious response |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
32. not privately owned, open source software and - hardware |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
87. You got it,electronic voting shouldn't be subcontracted..... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
35. The whole thing should be done in 4th Dimension |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. the hacking of this election was an inside job |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. There are databases that are rig-proof |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. the people who design, administer the system |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I think I said they need to open-source the software |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Can You Tell Me Some More About This Program? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
46. Turn it into the world's most expensive paper ballot marker... |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I'd Think It Could Actually Decrease Fraud |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I beg to differ, I think the world's legitimate democracies... |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. But It's Not Going To Happen Here In The US |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 07:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. No, the whole structure is riddled through with corruption. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. "Election fraud has happened" |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Open source software. Proprietary software should never be allowed. |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You Think Fraud Has Happened |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
93. of course the analogy doesn't work if you spin it |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
57. Germany has it right...but then they were right about Iraq, too. |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
60. computers and voting |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I Don't Think You're Getting The Bigger Picture Here |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. the bigger picture? |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I Said That The Computers Are Already Being Used |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. computers and counting |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
61. Nothing |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So What About The People That Don't Want Them Thrown Away? |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. The amount of computers still needed |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Yes, You Hear About An Exploit Every Day...For Windows |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Would the corporations |
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InfoMinister (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. An Article Written About This |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. The thing is... We don't NEED machines at all. It's a "high-tech solution" |
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Obviousman (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
67. Make it bipartisan |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
69. Pen meet Paper n/t |
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chicagiana (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
72. Physical record and Physical verification |
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twenty2strings (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
74. paper...paper...paper! |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
75. Open-source is a big part of the solution..... |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
78. 1) Get educated voters 2) Destroy TV 3) Back to paper and pen. n/t |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
79. Countable, notarized paper trail. PERIOD. Of course, |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
80. not a damn thing |
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Digit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. I love computers, but would prefer low tech for voting |
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Angry Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-04 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
83. Let's copy the reliable, elegant, & transparent Swiss system |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
84. We don't vote often enough to do it by computer |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
85. replace the junk with paper and pencil, |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
86. LOL,Two brothers who are Republicans control the voting process... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
88. Make your computer sans-electricity |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
90. assassination by ballot box |
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susierock (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
91. What's VoteGuard? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. surveillance video |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
95. The only way we could make |
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jayctravis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
96. "Obscure" ballot instead of "Secret" ballot. |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. obscure ballot |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 03:49 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Who will find the false entries? |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 07:23 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. verifying votes with the obscure system |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. the root: ending corporate personhood |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-04 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
97. physical ballots |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. obscure voting would seem to do that |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
103. A paper trail |
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Done (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
105. No Trade Secrets Allowed. |
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