How many states passed the gay marriage ban?

[Rush1184]

Does any one know how many states passed the gay marriage amendments to their state constitutions? Also, any link to a reputable source on this would be appreciated.

thanks,
Rush

Edit: Spelling

[Syrinx]

1. all of them, I think

All of them with it on the ballot, I mean. About 12, I believe.

[Stand and Fight]

5. No, 11 out of 11 states passed it.

Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Michigan
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Utah

SOURCE:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/initiative.htm

[T Town Jake]

2. I think all eleven that had it on their ballots, unfortunately...

...sorry, don't have any links. You might Google it.

[TaleWgnDg]

7. You are incorrect. You stated "it" meaning that the ballot

questions on all 11 states were the same ("it" means singular). That's incorrect. The 11 states that had questions on their ballots regarding same-sex marriage on November 2 were all the different -- the questions, that is.

Therefore, it's a hodge-podge of laws, amendment across those 11 states. Some states had 2 questions as one which many of those states' constitutions expressly state is unconstitutional. Other states had ambiguous and confusing questions, as such those should be found unconstitutional by that state's constitution. And on and on . . .

The bottom line is that merely to suggest that there were 11 states ballot questions as the same, is a gross misstatement.

[T Town Jake]

10. Let's hold up here a sec...

...while I ask you just what the fuck is your malfunction? Are you the Definition Police now, or are you just holding down the fort? A general question was asked, and a general answer was given. Precision of definition was not an issue. What remains a fact is that eleven ballot initiatives in eleven different states were offered up on Nov. 2nd to the voters of those eleven respective states. All had varying legal language, to be sure--but the general fact of their existence on those eleven different ballots remains nevertheless.
You need to ease the fuck up, Cowboy.

[T Town Jake]

12. "You stated "it" meaning that the ballot...

...questions on all 11 states were the same"

I did no such thing. I stated "it" in the sense that there were eleven ballot initiatives in eleven different states that dealt with the issue at hand. I didn't deconstruct and parse the language on a case by case basis in each and every one for reasons apparent to anyone with the requisite literacy to decipher normal human interaction undertaken in the written English language.

Still awaiting, with baited breath, what will be a no-doubt charming reply..
:nopity:

[TaleWgnDg]

23. Something tells me that I shouldn't get into a pissing contest

with a non-lawyer about the law, or as here about the Queen's English as well. Tis a useless expression in nothingness quite analogous to that tree falling in the forest when no one was around to hear it "thud!"

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[foreigncorrespondent]

13. I agree with you to a point!

I can agree that some of the states that had measures against gay marriage on their Nov 2nd ballots were confusing and should be deemed unconstitutional. I have to add however that from what I remember (read it in full last year) of the United States Constitution (especially the 14th Amendment) any efforts by any state or government body to outlaw same sex marriage should be deemed unconstitutional. For the simple reason it goes against the very charter which formed your nation.

[charlie]

17. Whether that argument is successful or not

will depend on the makeup of the court when the first gay marriage challenge is heard. Conservatives have an argument they regularly use to thwart claims of violations of the equal protection clause. Namely, marriage is by definition between a man and a woman and homosexuals are free to marry anyone of the opposite gender. So, by their reckoning gay marriage bans don't deprive gays of freedoms enjoyed by heterosexuals. Loopy and disengenuous, but that's what they'll drag out when the time comes.

Lawrence v Texas was a 6-3 ruling. One of the concurring justices was O'Connor. She's indicated that the ruling has no bearing on the issue of gay marriage, which she appears to be against. So at the moment, the best that can be hoped for is 5-4 in favor, but that's not anywhere near certain to happen. If and when Dubya gets to pack the court with knuckledraggers, the chances diminish considerably.

[foreigncorrespondent]

19. Yes I have heard that many times in the past...

...by brainless morons who think they know everything but truly know nothing.

The trouble with that argument of theirs is they have a selective memory. They have chosen to forget the wording of the 14th Amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Unfortunately though, you are right. If we can't beat the boy king to the punch bowl then yeah, we are finsihed with this battle.

And the day the LGBT community have to turn tail and walk away from this battle is the day I tell my better half to get the hell out of dodge and don't look back.

I keep praying for sanity to return. I just hope those prayers will be answered.

[Charlie Brown]

20. By their logic

segregation is constitutional because the white kids couldn't go to the colored schools, either. Sheesh.

[TaleWgnDg]

22. that could very well be true . . .

that is, if the dynamics of the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't shift farther to the right. If certain sections of states constitutions are in violation of the U.S. constitution, then those sections of those states constitutions fail.

[Rush1184]

3. I need a little more specific than that....

And weren't there only 11 states that had it on the ballot?

[Rush1184]

4. Ok, I found it...

eleven out of eleven passed it. Here is a link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6383353/

anyone want to lock this now?

[TaleWgnDg]

6. waitaminute . . . you are assuming something, correct?

That all these states have amendments or laws that mean the same thing? Well, if you are assuming that, then you are incorrect. Why? Well, the acts, amendments, etc. are all different, state-to-state, and some are being challenged . . .

[foreigncorrespondent]

14. Ummm...

...what is it exactly that you don't understand about banning gay marriage, be it state by state or a one off federal measure?

The words might be different in all the different laws being handed down in all the different states, but guess what? They ALL mean the SAME damn thing; i.e: LGBT citizens in those states are deemed second class. They don't have the same rights as others. They don't have the right to make a life long commitment through marriage to the person they love.

[charlie]

15. It's worse than that

8 of those initiatives included bans on same-sex civil unions. They were nailing shut every avenue for couples to enjoy legal recognition of their commitments.

[foreigncorrespondent]

18. Yes I know!

I heard about that and was absolutely floored. But I guess we should have seen it coming. The dirty rotten repukes will stoop to the lowest levels to get their bigotry and hate passed through.

I really understand what my LGBT brothers and sisters are going through in the U.S. Australia just recently passed federal laws banning any and all recognition of same sex marriage completely. So now, I am truly a second class citizen in my birth country. And believe me, it bloody well hurts.

[fujiyama]

21. These are all AMENDMENTS

"Oregon represented gay-rights groups’ best hope for victory, but an amendment banning same-sex marriage prevailed there with 57 percent of the votes, leaving some activists in tears. Similar bans won by larger margins in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio and Utah.

More than 20 million Americans voted on the measures, which triumphed overall by a 2-to-1 ratio. In the four Southern states, the amendments received at least three-quarters of the votes, including 86 percent in Mississippi; the closest outcome besides Oregon was in Michigan, where the ban got 59 percent."

[OneBlueSky]

8. what these states need is some consequences . . .

as a start, I would suggest that progressive and liberal producers and directors get together and issue a statement that they will no longer be doing any filming of movies or television programs in any state that passed amendments such as these . . . and major GLBT organizations should issue a call for a boycott on tourism, conferences, and events of all kinds by out-of-state individuals and groups . . . might at least get their attention and, more importantly, get residents of other states to think before trying this in the future . . .

[Charlie Brown]

9. This will be the "Blaine Amendment" of the 21st century

The Blaine Amendment was an anti-Catholic piece of legislation that narrowly missed the U. S. Constitution (by a handful of votes in the Senate). It was then passed to like thirty-something state-constitutions and is still present today. Basically, it prohibits state governments from giving money to any Church or religious school (the oh-so tolerant state-governments of yesterday didn't want to fund those evil Papal schools, and since they couldn't expressly prohibit funding Catholics, they encompassed all religious schools). Needless to say, it's now a major thorn in the side of Republicans who want to give tax-money to churches (like Jeb Bush).

[Valkyrie55]

11. You can add Missouri to the list too

We were in fact the first state to go the route of adding the ban to the state constitution. In fact we were so gung-ho we didn't even wait until November 2. We voted on it during the primaries on August 3. I'm sad that my state had to be the first in this but I wasn't surprised.

[Undercover Owl]

16. you've heard this one before, but it's good:

If you are against gay marriage, then don't marry someone of the same gender.

[T Town Jake]

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[T Town Jake]

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