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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:09 AM Original message |
What good would come voting Green? |
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cherryperry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. Absolutely no good will come from this in 2004!!! |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. ahem |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Not...mutually...exclusive.....nt |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. when painted as a question a lecture sounds like a politician on the stump |
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imhotep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. pissing off facists |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. false. the nation wasn't on the right track when clinton was in office. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
129. Could You Please Define "Unsustainable"? |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. Hey, there are always windmills to be jousted.... |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. lets see... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Principle? Great. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. *BZZZZZZZZZZZT* |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
59. I'm not blaming the Greens for 2000 |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
169. Clinton? Gore? Bad policies? Years of acceding to the right-wing sentiment |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:40 PM Response to Reply #169 |
221. That is completely ignoring the issues I mentioned |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:17 PM Response to Reply #221 |
265. that's directly addressing the issues |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
225. The Attack on Iraq was a bi-partisan effort by Democrats & Republicans |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
228. Just the Greens huh? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. PRINCIPLE? |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. because the DLC is floundering... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Huh? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. So you want to hear from a Green, eh? |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. *GASP* |
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BeachBuckeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. So you want to wait until the world is destroyed |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. destroyed? that's hysterical nonsense |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
229. That FIEND! This is the enemy |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
67. No, by voting and working for the Green Party, I AM doing something |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Yes, you are doing something |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:48 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. No, I didn't accomplish any of that |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. BRAVO!!! |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
231. Sadly, that's what I see coming too... |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. "Same corporate masters" |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
116. Son, let me tell you something |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:31 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. kudos |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I am educated |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:00 PM Response to Reply #119 |
132. And gee, look how far minorities got under the Clinton/Gore admin. |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:33 PM Response to Reply #132 |
150. Yeah, Clinton/Gore were SO bad for minorities... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:46 PM Response to Reply #150 |
164. Once again, you show your ignorance |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:49 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. Your ward is bad news for the DLC |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:59 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. LOL Walt |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:00 PM Response to Reply #164 |
178. If African-Americans weren't fond of Gore... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:16 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Hell, why did whites vote for him in record numbers? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:23 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. I'm with you, brother |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 06:57 PM Response to Reply #178 |
248. You have NO idea how close Gore came to losing the Black vote |
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eablair3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
167. nice going MadHound |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:04 PM Response to Reply #167 |
180. Thank You, and I agree |
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chadm (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. I'm with ya |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
142. thank you |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. Voting green would be Great!!! |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. yes? |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Must be nice not to have conscience... |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. hahahah |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Sure you do... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
78. What a bunch of BS |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:46 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Deleted message |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
96. oh well... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Elsewhere? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. It serves as a basis |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. See post #34 |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Nope, you're absolutely wrong there |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. The destination for your "long haul" is evidently Oz. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. The center is fluid |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:34 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. How? By Magic? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
90. For the short term |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
192. You can't have two left parties and have them both be viable |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. I've been saying for weeks... |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:00 PM Response to Reply #192 |
201. a different perspective |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:29 PM Response to Reply #201 |
232. Nobody's talking about eliminating discourse |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. The Conservatives won their fight for the Repukes |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:56 AM Response to Reply #61 |
93. But I do not have to choose to attend that game |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
65. Don't worry. You may not have to decide on voting Green in the |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
141. and the Democrats have facilitated all this |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:23 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Granted Terg. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
235. how are |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:58 PM Response to Reply #235 |
256. why do you suggest that memebers of another party vote Dem |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. You're damn right people are talking about doing this |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Wow- That's crazy. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. In 2000, I considered Al Gore the lesser of two evils |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. true |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That's what I'm doing |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
262. Lesser of two evils + lesser of two evils eventually equals absolute evil |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. the fact that you don't is frightening |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Yeah, a green is going to win... |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
121. a Green probably won't win |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. "Mostly supporting?" |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
134. uh-huh |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:35 PM Response to Reply #134 |
153. When I see BS, I call it BS |
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chadm (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Absolutely |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. What you guys don't seem to get |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. then I guess the Dems better get progressive |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Terwilliger |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:41 AM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Indigo, indigo, many of us have tried for years and decades |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
91. What are we doing wrong then |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
92. What are we doing wrong then |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
123. There is one simple step the Democratic Party can do . . . |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:43 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Heh |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:33 PM Response to Reply #126 |
151. Being so dismissive because of grammar |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:45 PM Response to Reply #151 |
163. actually |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #163 |
176. My apologies to you |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:14 PM Response to Reply #123 |
227. Dying of Curiosity |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:15 PM Response to Reply #227 |
243. Historically the Democratic Party has been outspent by the 'Pugs |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:23 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. Sorry, let me clarify the question |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:49 PM Response to Reply #244 |
247. Thanks for your clarification |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:44 PM Response to Reply #123 |
251. And tell me one thing |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
145. we are the party? bullshit |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
88. Obviously you understand nothing about politics |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:01 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. That's a horseshit analysis of votes |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:39 PM Response to Reply #99 |
122. Nice rebuttal |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:47 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. Nope, that's not political reality |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #128 |
158. Can you do math? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:44 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. That's not math, it's bullshit |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:56 PM Response to Reply #162 |
173. Never mind |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:56 PM Response to Reply #173 |
196. Thanks for trying, anyhow |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:00 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. No no no no no |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Never mind where it got him. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Then four years of Bush |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Wrong |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Nope, Bush pandered to them, threw them a few crumbs, and they ate it up |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:22 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Thanks for the personal attack |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
15. good post |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. in this election? |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. You just started a green/dem thread |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
25. Greener Pastures |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. not valid |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. What data are you talking about? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
58. Yes, and let's look at who voted for Bush |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:31 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Are you mental? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:54 AM Response to Reply #68 |
89. Sure can, I've got two books for you to read |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
230. Guess What! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:51 PM Response to Reply #230 |
237. Well, you had better go back and read them |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:03 PM Response to Reply #237 |
239. Dare I hope that this is a teachable moment? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:34 PM Response to Reply #239 |
245. So, you're sticking with the Spineless Dem theory of the election |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:49 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. I don't know how to bridge this reality-disconnect |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
108. Sorry, it is the Greens' fault |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
146. Nader told no lies |
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lifelong_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:47 PM Response to Reply #146 |
166. He told lots of lies |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:52 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. Show me the data |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:57 PM Response to Reply #170 |
255. Nader wanted Bush to win |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:03 PM Response to Reply #255 |
259. That's not data |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:18 PM Response to Reply #259 |
266. I was showing that Nader did want Bush to win |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:19 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. The claim was made |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:58 PM Response to Reply #170 |
257. Nader is also a hypcirate |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:55 PM Response to Reply #166 |
172. oh I see...so NOW you're blaming it on Gore's lack of principle? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:08 PM Response to Reply #146 |
204. Bwahahahahaha |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
253. This is a misleading stat |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:13 PM Response to Reply #253 |
261. but they're excused |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
140. excuse me, this is from the DLC |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:36 PM Response to Reply #140 |
233. Thanks for the personal attack |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:55 PM Response to Reply #233 |
254. good lord, you cant even challenge it |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
224. Did Nader Hurt Gore ... he "MAY" have ... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:43 PM Response to Reply #224 |
234. Well, maybe not once and for all |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:15 PM Response to Reply #234 |
264. I think you're a Republican |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
242. Why the hell |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:04 PM Response to Reply #242 |
260. I'm quoting From so you people will shutup about Nader |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:04 AM Response to Reply #25 |
38. See post #34 |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. When I started, it was "half a loaf" |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Because your alternative is complete and utter irrelevance. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:32 AM Response to Reply #53 |
70. So you're telling me to accept crumbs and like it |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
110. more like this: |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:23 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. That was pretty much what I've watched over the past two decades |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
111. Its not a matter of not having a voice |
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chadm (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. If you really wanna know... |
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chadm (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
48. If you guys are really scared of the Greens... |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Scared of the Greens? I think you're missing something here... |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
55. it's still got you whining |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. You're over-estimating Green value... |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. then why are you still bitching and moaning? |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:34 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Pointing out the village idiot is hardly moaning... |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:34 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I bet.. |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:38 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Since we're both regulars, how about a friendly wager... |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:50 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. that's not fair |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:56 AM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Can you see that you made my point for me? |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. I don't know what your point is |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. My point: Even Greens won't vote Green in the next election... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:07 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. This Democrat *might* vote Green in the next election |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Like I said... |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. I don't know if that is so |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:16 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. I appreciate your point... |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:40 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. this is supposed to be persuasive??? |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Who said I was trying to convince anyone? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:52 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. It was a nice try Iverson |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
95. so it was gratuitous ugliness? nice. |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Gratuitous? I didn't realize we were hacking out canons here.. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:07 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. don't be absurd |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. I honestly don't think it's possible to change the mind of a fanatic. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. reply |
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Patriot_Spear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:37 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Let's be clear... |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:44 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. so far so good |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:32 PM Response to Reply #109 |
148. Deleted message |
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160. Deleted message |
Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:56 PM Response to Reply #160 |
174. isn't that sweet |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
56. Rummy will write your name on a 2000 lb. cluster bomb. |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:46 AM Response to Reply #56 |
81. Nader? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
103. Nader is an egotistical fool |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
85. Not a damned thing... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
113. There is no good from voting green |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:28 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. incorrect |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:42 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. Facts? Here are the facts, since you seem to have glossed over them |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:53 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Your analysis only works if you take certain votes for granted |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Hell, you can vote Green, or not vote, I don't care |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:10 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Actually, no I don't help the Republicans |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:36 PM Response to Reply #137 |
154. no Walt, you are helping the republicans, |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:28 PM Response to Reply #154 |
186. the inability of Democrats to gain consensus is their achilles heel |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:56 PM Response to Reply #186 |
197. Well said |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:54 PM Response to Reply #186 |
238. Consensus doesn't mean "everybody has to agree with me" |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 07:13 PM Response to Reply #238 |
250. I've been compromising more and more every election for two decades |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:01 PM Response to Reply #238 |
258. yes, and the Democratic party can't do it |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:48 PM Response to Reply #154 |
190. You've made an incorrect assumption |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:59 PM Response to Reply #190 |
200. If you're a dyed-in-the wool Dem you sure could have fooled me |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:06 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Because I dare to question our precious Democratic Leadership? |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 12:53 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. not at all |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. When people from the left leave the party, it goes rightward. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. When the party goes right, lefties eventually leave it. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:23 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. How can you not grasp the fact... |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #143 |
152. to answer your question |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. profound... |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. mockery is all you've got left? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:47 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Thats so weak. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:25 PM Response to Reply #165 |
185. there's no reasoning with fanatics |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:58 PM Response to Reply #185 |
199. oh, I'M, the fanatic?!?!? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:01 PM Response to Reply #185 |
202. remember I asked you |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:10 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. It takes decades, not years |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:13 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. Right! Decades!! |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:15 PM Response to Reply #205 |
209. um, Walt? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. Thanks for the advise |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:19 PM Response to Reply #209 |
212. ah, the High and Mighty card is pulled |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. Okay, I'll just point out one last thing and let you figure it out |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:37 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. well of course you can do whatever you want, it's America! |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:11 PM Response to Reply #205 |
240. How many decades exactly is it going to take |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 07:10 PM Response to Reply #240 |
249. Well, I'd settle for one progressive party |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:12 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. I didn't leave for more than two decades and the party still went right |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:30 PM Response to Reply #138 |
147. for starters, you'd have the knowledge that you did |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:33 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. You voted for Bill Clinton...you helped Republicans |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:39 PM Response to Reply #149 |
157. That's quite a |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #157 |
175. He was |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:04 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Deleted message |
Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. It does make as much sense as saying a vote for Nader |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #181 |
189. Not in the slightest sense. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. more Dems voted for Bush than for Nader |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:57 PM Response to Reply #194 |
198. more Dems voted for Nader in Florida |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:18 PM Response to Reply #198 |
211. I dont think so, honey |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:29 PM Response to Reply #211 |
214. your bogus Green website ain't a-foolin me |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:32 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. IT would have been easier to get the Democrats swayed by Bush |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 08:48 PM Response to Reply #214 |
252. you're still trying to place blame that isnt deserved |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:19 PM Response to Reply #198 |
213. Yeah, but more Dems voted for Bush than voted for Nader in Florida |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:24 PM Response to Reply #179 |
184. yep...you voted for Clinton |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:31 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. Well, if Clinton had kept his pecker in his pants |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:55 PM Response to Reply #187 |
195. well, er... uh, yeah! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:33 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Clinton never ran against W. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 02:51 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. His legacy turned of millions |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
216. Disagree about the pecker effect. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Sorry, but the conservative horde exists not only in the WH |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:42 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. Well, to each his own then. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 01:53 PM Response to Reply #161 |
171. That's the choice between worse and worser |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:10 PM Response to Reply #171 |
206. Just what would be soooooooooooo |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:12 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. They are as guilty for the mess we're in as *Bush |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:33 PM Response to Reply #207 |
218. I can't defend the war votes Walt, |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:36 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. I agree fundamentally different opinions |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:42 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. serious question Walt |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 03:50 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. The GOP will do one of two things should the Democrats continue |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 04:05 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. Alrighty then. 5 o'clock and the quittin bell rings. |
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mlawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
241. It will make bush and KKKRove very happy!!!! |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
263. I've come to this conclusion |
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TheYellowDog (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:23 PM Response to Reply #263 |
268. I wholeheartedly agree |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:25 PM Response to Reply #263 |
270. I've come to this conclusion |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:31 PM Response to Reply #270 |
272. Whatever |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:37 PM Response to Reply #272 |
274. If you want the Democrats to win |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:08 PM Response to Reply #274 |
276. And that is impossible |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:10 PM Response to Reply #276 |
277. Dean seems to fit the bill |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:25 PM Response to Reply #277 |
279. oh |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 11:02 PM Response to Reply #279 |
281. He's nowhere as liberal as I would prefer |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-03 10:45 AM Response to Reply #281 |
282. It seems that way sometimes |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:19 PM Response to Reply #276 |
278. Clark would fit the bill for me too |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
269. You get to stand on "principle" |
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jiacinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:29 PM Response to Reply #269 |
271. OF course not |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
273. Wrong thread |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
275. Try Kuncinich instead of the NAFTA whore and I'll vote... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-05-03 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
280. I understand the Greens put the environment at the head of their platform |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-06-03 10:58 AM Response to Reply #280 |
283. n/t |
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