Who do you think won the debate?

[CMT]

regardless of who you support who do you think won the debate?

[VermontDem2004]

1. I didn't see the debate

will it be on again?

[CMT]

2. not sure

but my guess is that C-span or someone will run it.

[cherryperry]

3. Yeah, probably on their "Road to the White House"

Saturday or Sunday, I forget which...

[sasquatch]

4. Who in the hell voted for Lieberman

[ronzo]

5. not me pal.

Unless he was the yellow dog.

I still say Carol did the best job. I wish she had a shot.

[Jim Sagle]

14. He logged in and voted for himself.

Then he deleted his cookies and voted for himself two more times.

Alternatively his wife and daughter also voted for him. But frankly, that's not very plausible.

[not systems]

6. Gephardt

I'm a Dean support and he did ok on trade but
was not great on the first two questions.

I thought Gephardt was the best and that his
miserable failure line was the best theme of
the night.

Everyone seemed better than the first debate I
saw a couple of months ago.

I wish Dean could deliever in the debate format
like he does in a speech but he has improved but
need more work still.

Even Lieberman was good even though I disagreed
with much of what he said. He makes Bush look like
the mental midget he is.

Anyone of them will get my vote.

[AP]

7. Generally, it was tie. But I think Edwards had one powerful statement

which is going to give him plenty of mileage.

When the candidates were trying to explain how each has a special understanding of the latino experience, he said that his father moved to a small town in NC for a better chance. 40 years later, that small town is mostly latino. But those people were moving there for the same reason his family moved there. And he's fighting to make sure those people have the same fair shot at the kind of life he, his father, and the rest of his family had 40 years ago.

I think that's a really powerful statement about race, class, opportunity, and biography that will, before this is all over, be part of the message which ultimately defeats the Republicans.

[AP]

8. To exand a little bit more: This message is basically, to me,

the unified theory of everything that's wrong with American and Bush, and how to fix it.

[AP]

10. and to expand a little bit more...

One of the things I like about how Edwards phrased this is that, often, race sympathizing or empathizing when you're white just sounds so silly -- "I know what it's like to be black because...uh...uh...because I know this guy who is black." Edwards didn't say he knew what it was like to be black or latino. He said, I know what it's like to just want to get ahead. And, when it comes down to it, that's why, if you're not white, you experience life differently -- it's becasue there's a lot of stupid shit going on which gets in the way of you wanting to get ahead.

So, when Edwards makes that statement, and if you're not white, you're on guard thinking "if this guy says he knows what it's like to be, I'm going to effing scream, 'cause he can't possibly", then you hear that statement come out of his mouth, you realize that at least he has felt the other part of that equation -- the economic opportunity party -- very accutely, which has given him perpective on that little NC town today which is much deeper than the rest. And furthermore, it sounds like he's going to focus on that thing you want more than anything else -- which isn't white liberal guilt, or even empathy. What you want is just to have those fuckng barrier to your full participation in society and the economy to come down so you can reap the full reward of all your uninhibited efforts.

Clinton felt the same way because he had the same experience growing up.

[AP]

19. Nobody wants to comment on this issue???

?

[cherryperry]

24. Sorry; I just logged back in for the first time after

voting for Kucinich and going off to bed last night. However, I would like to comment that I agree Edwards' story about moving to the town etc etc was damn good! I was very impressed with almost all of what Edwards had to say. There was one very cute moment when the audience agreed with laughter, I think it was in response to one of his comments on Bush but am not sure, and he tried to go on but couldn't help smiling back at the audience and I thought that looked both appealing and natural. Unfortunately, at this point in time, I still see this as a Kerry/Dean battle, however, either one would need a Southerner for VP and perhaps they will offer that to Edwards.

I couldn't help choosing Kucinich because he and I agree on almost every issue; eg opting out of NAFTA and the WTO, universal healthcare as each of the other Western industrialized countries have been able to do, introducing a bill of the FDR-type WPA program as was successfully instituted after Hoover's great depression, etc. Unfortunately, since the democratic party has been co-opted by the DLC, I believe neither Kucinich's nor my opinions are winning ones at this time. Just based on this one debate I would prefer a Kucinich/Moseley-Braun ticket, but I realize that ain't gonna beat Bush because of the fear and paranoia Dubya et al has truly generated in so very many voters.

I believe it actually could end up being Edwards but that more likely the presidential nominee will be either Kerry or Dean.

[not systems]

9. personal touch

I noticed that Edwards came across as very human
even though he looks like a "dumb" blond.

He answered the question about families of troops
and the one you pointed out with a personal touch.

He went up a notch in my opinion tonight.

[MoonGod]

11. Is it archived?

Sorry, a bit off-topic, I know, but I didn't see the original thread and I didn't want to start a new thread to ask this...

So, is there an archive of the debate avail? Thanks.

[Spirochete]

12. I only saw part of it

but the ones who seemed to do the best were Gephardt, Mosley-Braun, and Dean - in that order. Everyone got in some shots at W-A, which is good.

[greyl]

13. We kept score here and the results are

Dean, Kucinich, Braun, Kerry - 5 points

Edwards and Graham - 4 points

Gep - 2 points

Lieberman - 1 point

Sharpton - 1.5 points ;)



We scored for each candidate's one minute using 1's or nothing instead of a larger scale, to help reduce any pre-debate bias.

[wyldwolf]

15. Pretty much re-enforces my belief ...

...that people will always say their man won.

I found the debate casting little positive light on any of them when is comes to the issues.

Too close to call I guess.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

16. Kerry was devestatingly "Presidential"

at the expense of all others of course.

Kerry's delivery, demeanor, voice, presence, etc...confidence in the facts and intrepid profile were AWESOME!!!!

OTOH I thought Dean sounded a little "whiny". If he is the nom. he'd better work on that. IMHO. :)

[OneBlueSky]

17. I think Dean supporters are seeing what they want to see

no way did he "win" the debate . . . both Gephart and Kerry came across far better than any of the other candidates . . . having heard so much about Dean, I must say I was rather disappointed . . .

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. It's a marathon, not a 100 yd. dash

and Kerry is well suited to the distance. :)

[AP]

20. Twice Dean stumlbed an almost said the opposite of what he meant to say

"not" instead of "does" kind of thing. You got to sound like you mean what you say, and almost saying the opposite of what you mean sort of messes that up.

Of course, he's on top so I'm looking for weaknesses, and so I might be judging a little harshly. Pay no mind.

[terryg11]

21. DK and Gephardt shown I thought

Dennis made some great points and separated himself from the others with some of his ideas. Once or twice it almost seemed the other candidates were framing their answers to be in agreement with him.

Gephardt made some great points when he did a crazy thing and actually referred to Clinton as his president and talked of how well the economy worked then. He also reminded everyone that he stood up to Clinton on the issue of NAFTA even though him and Clinton were good buddies.

but everyone looked good and not too many question dodging. the field looks good people

[JohnKleeb]

22. not sure how DK and Clinton got along

but they do I think because I read he helped campaign for him when he ran for the house.

[truebrit71]

23. Bush did, just like he kicked Gore's arse...

NOT!!!!!!

;-)