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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:12 PM
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New Freedom Initiative has passed
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:38 PM by ilovenicepeople
Forced psychological testing of all children ages 4-18 YOU MUST TAKE THE DRUGS! I don't have a link because this info is being withheld.Alex Jones just announced it after talking with Rep. Ron Paul.

ON EDIT:please kick this thread it's very important that everyone knows about it.(I don't think you will hear it on TV) and Thanks for not shooting the messenger?
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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:14 PM
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1. Great News for the Drug Companies
I'm glad I'm too old to have to deal with all of this insanity.
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ballcap1776 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:16 PM
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3. LINKS n/t
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:20 PM
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4. I don't have a direct link but if you have the guts to face reality
heres your red pill www.infowars.com
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:15 PM
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2. Gotta keep the masses medicated
if religion doesnt work, use harder stuff on them.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:24 PM
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7. If they would allow me to choose my own medication, I'd hate it less.
Just let me grow a little herb stalk, and I promise not to smash the state.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:29 PM
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10. You'd think they'd figured that one out by now. Darn it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:21 PM
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5. This is insane. Just the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:25 PM by autorank
I'm actually in a position to know about this sort of proposal. There is no reason to do universal psychological/psychiatric screening for children. The kids who have serious problems, serious enough to require care, can be easily identified and evaluated. I'm talking about kids slipping into their first psychotic episode, a manic phase, a major depression, or with PTSD. The problem is identifying them when they act-out and clearly need a look and THEN finding care. There is a severe shortage of child/adolescent psychiatrists. There is a less severe but very real shortage of psychotherapists who work with this population. Identifying a bazillion kids "in need" will choke the system. In addition, people either don't have the money for this or sufficient insurance coverage.

Whoever is behind this is NOT doing so with significant support from practitioners in the mental health community (at least not many). They're getting support from somewhere else. It is bizarre.

One more point on edit: Psychiatric medications for depression don't work all that well with children and adolescents (they do for adults!). There are some in severe need where the meds seem to work for depression. In major studies, placebos have almost equal effectiveness for depression in adolescents. Kids with psychotic and bipolar disorders do need medications but they represent about 2-3% of this population. Pyschiatrists and MDs are really pulling back on most SSRI's for adolescents because of the marginal utility (not eliminiating them because there are exceptions).
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:24 PM
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6. Oh my God...
I am so beaten...this is so wrong...all I can do is hold my head in my hands and shake it back and forth...
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:33 PM
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11. Hmmm...your behavior suggests
that you may be suffering from
"obsessive head-in-hand shake-throsis" syndrome.
I mandate a prescription of 5 zillion milligrams of paxil
that you MUST take to line the pockets of my pharma-cartel
buddies.
Report to the Ministry of Eugenics immediately citizen.
While you are there, please schedule an appointment for
evalution of your dog. We have observed that he may be
suffering from"Obsessive Tail-Wagging" syndrome.
do not fear, doggie prozac will alleviate his symtoms,
however, side effects may cause...

bhn
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:25 PM
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8. So next ....
How about a game of hunt the zipper?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:28 PM
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9. Great. Sounds like a Feminine Hygene Product Initiative.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:33 PM
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12. I don't believe you
You give me a link or a source or something, and then we might be able to start talking.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:56 PM
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18. You have the right to not believe me,but I also have the right to believe
Ron Paul and post the fact that he confirmed it.I do not wish to mislead anyone,just to inform them.(I hope that I'm wrong just as much as you hope I'm wrong)Everybody pray that I'm disshonest PLEASE!
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stlchic Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:37 PM
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13. Are you sure about this?
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:45 PM by stlchic
I just did a simple Google search, and the main hits were all various websites and information about a program that Bush announced in 2001 concerning opportunities for the disabled (which doesn't exactly make it new).

http://www.hhs.gov/newfreedom/

However, I did find this (reported back in July):

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/07/16/the_new_freedom_initiative_us.htm

and this (reported in August):

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=830

but I'm not sure about the reliability of the sites - although it is strange that I found it at all if the "information is being withheld."

:shrug:
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:40 PM
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15. I googled Education Bill
in which this initiative was included and I came up emtpy too.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:40 PM
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14. There was a "Feedom" Resolution that passed....
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:45 PM by LeftHander
I think that the orginal poster confused this resolution with Bush's New Freedom COmmision on Mental Health

Bill Frist introduced a resolution that upholds the U.S. "freedom" policy in the middle east. The text of the resolution are yet to be availble on the www.senate.gov website...

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d108:22:./temp/~bssyAg0::
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:42 PM
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16. Here's a link to the Ron Paul story
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:43 PM by walldude
I have been following this carefully for over a year now. While I can't say for sure whether the bill has passed or not I do know that it was attached to the education appropriations bill. Which means if you voted against the mandatory testing you voted against education funding.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41511

Also if you want more info on the bill google this:
New Freedom Commission on Mental Health
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stlchic Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:48 PM
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17. World Net Daily?
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 03:58 PM by stlchic
Is there any information from a reputable news source?

If this is part of an appropriations bill, surely the text of it is available somewhere?

:shrug:

As for the commission:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020429-2.html

I realize that it's the White House site, but the executive order indicates:

"Sec. 7. Termination. The Commission shall terminate 1 year from the date of this order, unless extended by the President prior to that date. "

The date of the order was 4/29/02 - did the President ever extend it?

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stlchic Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:17 PM
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19. Withheld Information
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 04:20 PM by stlchic
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/11/140125.shtml

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132397,00.html

While it is Newsmax and Fox, this might not be so much of a bogus story - but hardly secret. A search of "mandatory mental health screening" reveals a load of references, although it's strange that none of them involve CNN, MSN, ABC, or CBS.

That being said: I have no intention of letting the government test my children without my permission. We should all fight for parental rights.

What is Rep. Paul planning on doing now? What suggestions does he have for parents that refuse to go along with this?

:shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:18 PM
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20. He tried to introduce this bill which evidently failed
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 04:18 PM by Bluebear
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2004/cr100604.htm

No Mandatory Mental Health Screening for Kids

Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Let Parents Raise Their Kids Act. This bill forbids federal funds from being used for any universal or mandatory mental-health screening of students without the express, written, voluntary, informed consent of their parents or legal guardians. This bill protects the fundamental right of parents to direct and control the upbringing and education of their children.

The New Freedom Commission on Mental Health has recommended that the federal government adopt a comprehensive system of mental-health screening for all Americans.

The commission recommends the government implement universal or mandatory mental- health screening in public schools as a prelude to expanding it to the general public. However, neither the commission’s report nor any related mental-health screening proposal requires parental consent before a child is subjected to such screening. Federally funded universal or mandatory mental-health screening in schools without parental consent could lead to labeling more children as “ADD” or “hyperactive,” and thus force more children to take psychotropic drugs like Ritalin against their parents’ wishes.

Already, too many children are suffering from being prescribed psychotropic drugs for nothing more than children’s typical rambunctious behavior. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, there was a 300-percent increase in psychotropic drug use in two to four-year old children from 1991 to 1995!

Many children have suffered harmful side effects from using psychotropic drugs. Some of the possible side effects include mania, violence, dependence, and weight gain. Yet parents already are being threatened with child abuse charges if they resist efforts to drug their children. Imagine how much easier it will be to drug children against their parents’ wishes if a federal mental-health screener makes the recommendation.

Universal or mandatory mental-health screening could also provide a justification for stigmatizing children from families that support traditional values. Even the authors of mental-health diagnosis manuals admit that mental-health diagnoses are subjective and based on social constructions. Therefore, it is all too easy for a psychiatrist to label a person’s disagreement with the psychiatrist’s political beliefs a mental disorder. For example, a federally funded school violence prevention program lists “intolerance” as a mental problem that may lead to school violence. Because “intolerance” is often a code word for believing in traditional values, children who share their parents’ values could be labeled as having mental problems and a risk of causing violence. If the mandatory mental-health screening program applies to adults, everyone who believes in traditional values could have his or her beliefs stigmatized as a sign of a mental disorder. Taxpayer dollars should not support programs that may label those who adhere to traditional values as having a “mental disorder.”

Mr. Speaker, universal or mandatory mental-health screening threatens to undermine parents’ right to raise their children as the parents see fit. Forced mental-health screening could also endanger the health of children by leading to more children being improperly placed on psychotropic drugs, such as Ritalin, or stigmatized as “mentally ill” or a risk of causing violence because they adhere to traditional values. Congress has a responsibility to the nation’s parents and children to stop this from happening. I, therefore, urge my colleagues to cosponsor the Let Raise Their Kids Act.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:23 PM
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21. Here you go....
this is just one part of the final report to the president:

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/index.html

Schools Can Help Address Mental Health Problems
Currently, no agency or system is clearly responsible or accountable for young people with serious emotional disturbances. They are invariably involved with more than one specialized service system, including mental health, special education, child welfare, juvenile justice, substance abuse, and health.

The mission of public schools is to educate all students. However, children with serious emotional disturbances have the highest rates of school failure. Fifty percent of these students drop out of high school, compared to 30% of all students with disabilities.81 Schools are where children spend most of each day. While schools are primarily concerned with education, mental health is essential to learning as well as to social and emotional development. Because of this important interplay between emotional health and school success, schools must be partners in the mental health care of our children.

Schools are in a key position to identify mental health problems early and to provide a link to appropriate services. Every day more than 52 million students attend over 114,000 schools in the U.S. When combined with the six million adults working at those schools, almost one-fifth of the population passes through the Nation's schools on any given weekday.122 Clearly, strong school mental health programs can attend to the health and behavioral concerns of students, reduce unnecessary pain and suffering, and help ensure academic achievement.

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