Hubby (Stanford MBA) says that we will balance out

[alittlelark]

with the world.... we need to have a lower standard of living here in the US.... (but not us???)

I am living in an alternate reality. I understand the concept, but the acceptance that our neighbors and countrymen will be intimately affected is deeply disturbing to me...

Do I just need to worship at the church of Global Capitalism?

WHERE, WHO, WHY am I dealing with this?

What is happening to me, and my reality?

:cry:

[mhr]

1. Tell Your Hubby About Me - Unemployed 53 Months

BSEE,
MBA,
Honorably Discharged Naval Officer,
Commercial Pilot,
15+ years of professional work experience.

I guess he would just say - "too bad, so sad."

If that be the case, tell him to go Cheney himself!

[alittlelark]

4. I have told him about many like you

what is happening? He was with it last week, now....

[Renew Deal]

8. Maybe you are missing the meaning of what he's saying,

Is he trying to say that markets are going to be crashing?

[alittlelark]

10. What he is saying is that it is inevitable

in a global economy. I listen to Pacifica - I understand 'global economies' they are slaves to corporations.

[Maple]

11. No they aren't

Only Americans believe this. I have no idea why.

[alittlelark]

16. I understand what you are saying.... many countries

'just say no'.........to us. We will attempt to annihilate any country that does not fall in line. Some rebel, and succeed. Most are dominated and suffer.

[mhr]

20. The Problem With Your Hubby Is That He Has No Plan To Ameliorate

the economic pain.

Tell him to trying living for four plus years without an economic future.

Defining an end state does nothing for those suffering the transition.

Tell him to try living were the only advice given is go back to Junior College so you can "flip burgers with style."

I will tell you that I detest people like your husband.

Actually, I loathe people like your husband.

Have I told you yet how much I HATE people like your husband.

He can go jump of a cliff as far as I am concerned.

[alittlelark]

You can hate if you wish... I cannot

my 2 children do not. I recognize that he is telling me what he percieves to be global realities - given his education/experiecnce.

I have been telling him what I percieve to be reality.... he GOT IT a week or so ago, now he doesn't. Cognitive Dissonance?....WHAT!!!!



What happened?!?!?


And please, do not tell me that you hate my mate of 26+ years, and the father of my children.

[mhr]

23. I Do Hate People Like Your Husband

They have their heads stuck up their asses.

They are the reason that so many turn the other way and avoid the problems.

"It's not my problem, so why should I care."

I am six months from homelessness.

Try living with that over your head when you have done EVERYTHING that society has told you to do.

Try living with no social life for over four years because EVERYONE sees you as a failure.

Try living with the knowledge that society has JUDGED you a failure each and every morning you wake up.

Try living with what I live with every FUCKING day and you will understand why I HATE YOUR HUSBAND and people like him.

[alittlelark]

25. I'm sorry. Believe it or not I can understand.

I'm gonna answer your statements


His head is more interested in my ass
But I will not allow him to turn his head the other way.... I shove his face in it.
If I consider it to be a problem, he is up to his neck in it.
We are far from homelessness
He did EVERYTHING society told him to do
Social life is only me and a few close frieds
He sees society as judging him to be a failure because he didn't hit his 1st million by 30
He is incapable of hate, unless you voted * (he has dissed his dad)


He is experiencing drastic reality shifts.... I'm gonna give him breathing room

He grew up lower class - he FOUGHT to get to where he is.

[mhr]

28. No Sliver Spoon For Me - I Paid For Everything I Have Achieved

Via the sweat of my brow.

And now, I have nothing to show for all my hard work.

And now, society could give a flying FUCK if I live or die.

Don't denigrate your social situation.

I have not had a girlfriend in over seven years now.

There is no one to spend Thanksgiving, Christmas or New Years with.

All the people I know are Republican and I hate them worse than your husband. Smug assholes!

Sadly, there are people in worse ways than myself - children and all.

No, your husband will get no sympathy from me whatsoever.

[alittlelark]

30. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I have a cousin

you might take a liking to! She is 20 lbs overweight (get it out of the way) and is the FUNNIEST person I have ever met in my life - once you pass her defenses. She teaches Native Americans in NM and AZ - is currently on sabbatical in MA.

She is my best friend going on 40 years now, and lives in her own world... she's lookin to get out.

[mhr]

36. My Comment About A Social Life Was Not Meant To Solicit

Blind Dates.

I stopped those twenty years ago.

No sexual attraction for me, it is a no go.

My comment was meant to highlight how society ostracizes and marginalizes people. That marginalization has many unintended consequences. One of which is a loss of social contacts.

I spent the last six months volunteering for a candidate in the most expensive congressional race in US history.

I met hundreds of people, shared my resume with many of them. None of that led to a job or any lasting social contacts.

Once the campaign was over the Dems headed for the hills.

[chicagiana]

35. Little hint ...

All those business professors are largely full of shit. It's a FAITH they teach ... not a discipline. The "free market" is their god. But they refuse to examine the behavior of corporations and greedy fuckers when subjected to those conditions.

Well regulated business performs well. But remove the regulation and the "free market" quickly degrades into sets of fiefdoms and intractible business interests who will do anything to keep from competing.

[mhr]

37. Yes I Understand This Very Well With My 15+ years in Corporate Amerika

eom

[bobo4u]

26. I think you're reading too much into his observation...

It was simply that--an observation. Lighten up the lady's husband, OK?

[alittlelark]

29. Thank you for the 'lighten up'

but reality is reality... it sucks, and so long as the shr*b is in office, with his corporate 'no nation' agenda we are CHEYNIED.

[chicagiana]

44. Because we're told they are ...

Global economies are NOT the norm. It is something thats being forced down are throats. It's not the "little" vendors doing global business. It's the big boys manufacturing cheap crap in SE Asia with virtual wage slaves who will NEVER be paid more than they are now.

They have NO RIGHTS to collective bargaining. Their governments could CARE LESS about their health and personal well being. They don't have sufficient amounts of DEMOCRACY to institute the structural reforms that pulled America out of the sweat shop eras.

The other function is life is cheap in some of the SE Asia countries. There are just WAAAAY too many f-in people in order for them to claim their true rights.

You think INDIA has a Democracy ???? Think again. They vote primarily on electronic voting machines now!!!! They will institute the policies that suck in American money and prevent real changes of living standards amongst their people. There are SOOO MANY of them it's too easy to turn them against one another. Especially when so many are obsessed with keeping the pariahs down "in their place".

Life is even CHEAPER in China where their isn't even the mirage of Democracy. People are chattle their to be controlled and slaughtered at will be their central planning committees!!! It is a society truly transformed from a hypocritical communism to an honestly brutal facism that will consume and wrench flesh without batting an eyelash!!!!

[alittlelark]

6. look here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2713965

[corporatemedia]

9. unemployed 44 months - guess what i do (or did?)......

yeah, electronics TECHNOLOGY - The Jobs of the Future

i read the title of your post and i knew that you were in tech.

there was a recent article i read that says that IT unemployment is now higher than the general rate. i'm telling my kids to become plumbers.

[alittlelark]

12. Plumbers are not going to be outsourced.

I am in a state of quazi-cognitive dissonance. I know it's been bandied about since teh 70's, but the reality of it is upon us.

[chicagiana]

38. Quick retrain for BIOTECH ....

There is supposedly a 2 or three year window of employment opportunities before they ship THOSE jobs overseas to those clever brown people who are treated like shit by their societies.

I hear you. I'm computer science and I haven't steady in almost 4 years. I'm too far "out of step" with my field to land one of the few positions with 500 applicants. I'm too "over-educated" to do grunt work.

And yes, in the future plumbing is probably a sounder route.

"Globablization" will be the end of our nation and every other nation on earth. The purpose is to weaken the power of nation states and empower global corporations. Thats how they will destroy those horrible workers rights. Thats how they'll squash those "environmental regulations". Thats how they'll get back to the good ole days when people were mere chattle and an executive job in corporate America will buy you a manner with a squadron of servants who will beg on a line of thousands just for something to eat!!!

[corporatemedia]

40. oh, the good ol' days

[Must_B_Free]

21. How can you possibly not find SOMETHING to do for 53 months

I hear these claims and I can't help think "bullshit - you don't want to work".

I do what I can and when I can't get the rate I am used to, I take what I can get.

If my skills aren't being hired, I do something else, whatever I can.

If I had to I'd take minimum wage and be a maid. If you can't get a job in 53 weeks then you aren't trying or aren't willing to work.

[alittlelark]

22. I'll answer that - here in silicon valley

you can be neither a maid or a fast food worker w/o SPANISH skills. Other Bay Area DU'ers will back me on that.... you would not be able to communicate.

[peabody]

31. I'll back you up on that

I've applied to Best Buy, Fry's electronics (3 times), several theaters,
and even In-N-Out Burgers here in Santa Clara and only got one
interview. That was with In-N-Out and I didn't even get the job. By
the way, I've have a MSEE and I've been in engineering for 16 years!
I just finished a part time nursing program so hopefully that's a
better way to go; but it's just a shame to stop working in the
field of my passion because the jobs are just leaving overseas.
It's disgusting what this economy has become. I heard that hiring
might be picking up so I hope you'll find some soon.

[chicagiana]

41. Disturbing freeper style thinking ...

You evaluate with your "values" instead of looking at the world and gathering facts.

The fact is the longer you've been out of work, the harder it is to find it. The facts are that there are TONS of people who just lost their char. When your out of work for such a long time, you stack up poorly to the tens to hundreds of resumes that are received of people who JUST lost their job, or are looking to switch jobs.

People outside your field are reluctant to hire you when you have a resume filled with things that they can barely comprehend. They figure you'll go back to doing those things as soon as things get better.

[chicagiana]

33. Oh, well you need to "retrain" ...

Though how much training is required to say "Would you like fries with that" and "Welcome to Wal-Mart".

A wise man once said that luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Well, when there is less opportunity, preparation becomes less and less important.

The ultimate irony is that in such lousy economies, an excess of preparation can be a BAD thing. Since those with "lesser" positions will deem the educated and experienced as a risky hire since they're likely to bolt for greener pastures (assuming such pastures will exist).

In the end, the conservatives count their position in the economy as darwinistic proof of their superiority. It is this sense of privelege that binds them so closely to the GOP. They are the special, the blessed. And all us troglodites never deserved ANYTHING. When they lose THEIR jobs ... you have to wonder how long it will take for them to lose their "supply side" religion.

Deep down I think this may be the way of things. Regressives non regulators are empowered because they appeal to the greed in people so deeply. The Republicans steal from those who vote for them and plunge the nation into turmoil. Eventually people learn that these people were snake oil saleman all along and empower the progressives to fix things.

After the progressives fix things, the regressives figure out some more clever lies. Things are better so it's easier to appeal to people's greed and arrogance. The cycle repeats itself again.

I just hope it doesn't take another depression before the country sees that the Republicans are all snake oil salesman who are working for themselves and their wealthy cronies.

[liberalequestrian]

39. Tell your hubby about

my aunt... aged 63, self employed doing the work she has done since she was young, now doesn't bring in nearly as much. Her health insurance is barely affordable for her, she needs more care but can't afford the pricey drugs and high bills even with insurance.

But I suppose she can be "educated" so she can earn more? Is this the repukes idea of supporting people like her?

[aquart]

2. WHY do we need this?

And how does he account for the nations that are rushing into the vacuum to make themselves very rich?

God, I hate MBAs. They teach them everything but how to do a competent job.

And nowhere do they teach the purpose of the nation. What MBAs learn, in fact, is inimical to the purpose of a nation.

[alittlelark]

5. I love my MBA - been together since HS

something is sooo wrong... he got it, what happened?

[alittlelark]

7. look here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2713965

[Kire]

3. delete post

delete post

[Carolab]

13. We need to educate everyone

on the need to CUT CONSUMPTION drastically.

There is TOO much WASTE. Too much stuff we buy that we don't need, too much waste of energy driving in vehicles that are not energy efficient, too much production of junk and too much consumerism.

GREED is our biggest problem, IMHO.

People build houses that are TOO large and take TOO much energy to build and live in, houses that are TOO big and take TOO much energy to drive, wardrobes that are TOO big and they haven't got enough closets to handle them, and everywhere there is STUFF that we just don't need to buy or use and ends up cluttering our lives and wasting resources!

[alittlelark]

17. Damn, I am all over that one

I don't know how to effectively spread the word around here ( although we are 70% DEM, still CONSUMERS to the nth degree.)

We have lived here for 12 years, and for the last 8 it has been CONSTANT re-models and pools. I hate construction noise....it has been non-stop. No One is happy with what they have. One house was re-modeled 2 years before the new owners gutted it and re-modeled.

[Lorien]

34. Birds of a feather, Carolab:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=255

:hi:

[eleny]

14. I had to turn off Charlie Rose

I was kicking back and watching tv. Turned on the Rose program where he has 4 computer CEOs on talking about the future of data sharing. They were talking about how you have to plan to build factories 3 years in advance of hardware even being designed. And I thought to myself - are they nuts? Who will be able to buy these things when everything is falling apart? Why are they talking about how we'll be carrying around tiny data devices with all the info of the world? I've got some data for these guys - Russia is building a super nuclear device. Can they stick that in their ipod?

So I came back in here with Bernie Ward's streaming audio on in the background. He's making more sense.

[alittlelark]

18. He probably is. I'm not watching the tube.

I'm just posting in a most depressed way.

[UdoKier]

15. TOTAL CRAPOLA

Almost every other country looks out for the interests of its native manufacturers and workers. Why should we be the only ones with a POLICY of exporting jobs and turning the majority of the work force into chattel or worse?

MBA or not, your hubby could use a swift kick in the gut from a few working men.

[alittlelark]

19. You have not done your pennance at the alter of GLOBAL

CAPITALISM

look here too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2713965

[bobo4u]

24. So, what's wrong with his (IMHO correct) observation...

It's certainly not your husbands fault. It's the result of our government leaders selling out the American worker. As long as we keep these same assh*les in office, your husband prediction is right. Too many ignoramuses voting against their own interests.

No one is immune, BTW. Not even Stanford MBA's.

[alittlelark]

27. I know it is.

:cry:

[Lorien]

32. Please, join us here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=255

bask in simplcity and inopululance. :-)

[ElectroPrincess]

42. Yes, and my hubby who's also intelligent and well read told ME

that KERRY WOULD WIN this election.

His only explanation was, "Kerry did win, I didn't think they'd cheat THAT bad."

Grrr! It's any body's guess. However, this average IQ, well read gal thinks that the sooner the Draft begins sending the radical middle class wing nuts kids to Iraq, the sooner they'll get ON BOARD with the rest of us, i.e., return the independence of the three branches of government - true checks and balances of power.

Then we can start to reign in the "out of control" Corporate Welfare ... and hopefully keep both our manufacturing and high tech jobs here in the good ole' US of A.

[DuaneBidoux]

43. Your Hubby is absolutely right-and it wouldn't matter who was

elected this is an inevitability that is coming. The difference is that it wouldn't have to be nearly as hard on the country if the 1% that are getting everything let a little more flow down to the bottom 50% that are getting nothing.

Government policy needs to adjust the coming decline so that some of the pain is spread to the top so that the pain at the bottom can be alleviated. As it now stands it will be much worse for those in the middle and bottom than it had to be because there will be no sacrifice from those at the top. We will see much greater income inequality and stress and perhaps even social unrest, all unnecessary if an activist government would implement policies to help with the transition to lower living standards.