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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:42 AM
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I grow discouraged.
2 weeks after the election, I have the following thoughts swirling around in my head:

THis election is well and truly done. No one and I mean no one in the mainstream is accepting any kind of premise where the results of the election are overturned. So, as the counting continues in various states and suspicious activities surrounding voting are uncovered--it won't matter. OUr form of democracy is dead. It was speeding down that path with the illegitimacy of 2000, but now it is practically codified as acceptable to do so. NO questions will be asked. The few that dare are mocked.

Porter Goss replaces a George Tenet and he proceeds to slice through the upper management of the CIA backbone. Whether you want to call it a purge or an arrogant alienation of the long-term staffers....we can soon expect the same great policy decisions out of the CIA that were emanating from the DOD in runup to war in Iraq.

Colin Powell is gone. As much as I despised him for aligning himself with this corporate crime family, I at least saw he was TRYING to moderate decisions in this administration. Now we will have the same brilliant mental work at the state department that ruled the day with National Security now that Condi is expected to take over.

Ashcroft is gone...but in his place is a man who approved so many deaths in Texas and winked at US torture of prisoners and detainees. Look for more brilliant rationalizations in the years to come as the civil rights and liberties of people here and abroad are eroded.

Our troops have been caught dead to rights TORTURING Iraqi people. Some were merely innocents caught up in dragnets. Some were probably really criminal. Still, it is so sad to know NOTHING has been done save for a token grunt or two being prosecuted.

Our troops are now murdering IRaqis with impunity. The compliant lapdog media is eating it up. Do they care? Do Americans care? Is this what we've become?

A man killed himself at ground zero because he was so upset Bush will be free to continue his mad policies with what is purportedly a MANDATE of 51%.

A man set fire to himself outside the White House in protest of this administration and it's criminal, murderous ways.

Can we expect more crying, wailing, and gnashing of teeth from people of good conscience in this nation and abroad? You can be assured that this will continue as the stone-faced Cheney and smirking, cheek-biting idiot-in-thief look on.

I feel a dread dark cloud covering ever more of this nation and by virtue of this nations projected power...creeping over the entire earth.

Who will stand up and push back against the tyranny lurking right beside us? Who will join together as neighbors in the figurative sense and as community in the truest sense and rid ourselves of this evil?

I came here to this site to find solace in a dystopic world under Bush....now there are many days where even my time here cannot provide me the comfort I need as I see this country I used to know.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:46 AM
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1. America Died 11/02/2004 - Long Live Bush's Amerika
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:45 AM
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9. 12-12-2000 by a 5 to 4 vote
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:50 AM
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10. Touche!
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:48 AM
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2. Push back the tyranny: one solution
WE, and I mean WE as in anyone concerned with all of the above things, MUST meet at one place and one time. There will be no change if we all sit comfortably in our houses in front of the computer screen.

We must convene - in person -- in one place at one time.

Remember the 11 million spaniards who marched after their terrorist attacks?

And the millions in italy.

And the untold 100s of thousands in the UK when bush visited.

Screw this ANSWER/UFJP crap where they organize 8 months in advance (as in advance notice TO the tyrants, who get their talking points and distraction news in line before we even get on a bus to meet).


We must take the LID off this pressure cooker and stand together as ONE.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:10 AM
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5. yes. how? I can go. I will go. HOW can we motivate enough ??
would enough people want to inconvenience themselves for this? would they feel it is worth ripping themselves away from their tv, computer, and comforts?

I agree the mass action you describe would have a tremendous effect. Theoretically, you are on the right track. How long, Oh LORD, while the meek suffer against the wicked? When will we see the backlash? Why can the herd of cattle not see their own slaughter as they apathetically chew their cud?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:50 AM
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3. Please cheer up. My prayers are with you.
Comfort and solace to you! Look, if I can cheer up, anyone can. I gave my heart and soul and max. effort to getting Kerry elected. I was so disappointed.

And it hurt yesterday when I looked into my neighbor's eyes, and she said, "Kerry just didn't do it for me." And I realized that arguing would not do any good. I thought, "That's a reason to have sent the country straight to hell."

But now I have realized that who is in office is only part of it. I can legally fight against any attempts to do anything that is against progressive principles through the organizations I believe in (Planned Parenthood, the Human Rights Campaign, Democracy for America). And I can work to educate others and persuade them to adopt progressive belief sytems. And I can be a positive influence on my party. Maybe I'm being a bit idealistic, but it is certainly worth a try.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:09 AM
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4. i know no one not depressed
we need to keep apathy at bay though
this is our country and our constitution
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:16 AM
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6. It's worse than you think...
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 02:18 AM by RBHam
There is a reason for the deliberate leak on 60 minutes where the former "annonymous" CIA "whistleblower" warns that Osama has received religious approval for a nuclear attack on America, It sets the groundwork of plausibility for the next terrorist attack. I'm guessing about January 11th, before the innaugaration. Bush-Cheney need an excuse to reinstitute the draft (especially seeing as how a war with Iran is being pushed openly by the PNAC brain trust) and they soon will need to crack down HARD on civil liberties and free speech. More and more people are starting to find out about the anomalies of 9-11 and the fact that the irregularities during the 2004 "election" are more than just highly suspicious. The Iraq War, even with a tamed media, can't possibly be portrayed as anything but a disaster. And with Porter Goss "reforming" the CIA so they can "purge" the organization of any management types with minds of their own. Next, the fact that a whole whack of troops have come back to the US from foreign bases seems timed so these troops will be on hand in case of civil disobediance after the next staged attack.
Note the following story:

Fort Bragg Troops Train For Homeland Security Mission --
November 11, 2004
http://www.wral.com/news/3911970/detail.html

This week, Fort Bragg soldiers ran a rare training exercise in New York. The group of soldiers flew to New York to train for a fictional scenario in which terrorists plan to strike the West Point Military Academy, the place where future Army leaders train...

Most units around the country are scheduling more domestic "training ops" like this one. The soldiers at Fort Bragg have done three.


THE PLAN HAS BEEN SET IN MOTION.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:28 AM
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7. What I do to keep myself from falling into darkness
I get ACTIVE> I don't worry if I feel like I'm the only one; I do it, and I encourage others to do the same when ever I can.

Join the BBV clean up crews in the voter forum. Join us here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=255
to start creating a movement to starve the corporate/media powers that have done this to us.Give money to the Defenders of Wildlife, join the ACLU. Help us spread the word. You'll be too busy to lose all hope.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:45 AM
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8. thank you, Jen. you'll singlehandedly pull me back from the brink!
I got busy and just found a couple of book titles you'll appreciate and posted over on the economic activism board.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:20 AM
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11. Take action! Don't get discouraged!
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:15 AM
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12. Be American: be practical, take some distance from the theoretical.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 07:27 AM by Lexingtonian
Seriously, this is not all Your Problem. To some greater or lesser extent, it's Our Problem, and it's also to a very large degree an Other Peoples' Problem.

It's a problem of History. This was never an ideal society, never particularly fair or civilized, always colonial in its oppression and rape of the vulnerable, and only very rarely unified in any task- maybe fighting WW2 was the one and only time. Right now we are shedding the colonial order in little bits and pieces, social and economic and political, and the reactionaries are simply torrid and terrible. And yet so it must be. And let the reactionaries serve us in their dreadful and negative way- they survived longer than their European counterparts by taking an active role in pushing back the new Asian Hordes and Continental Threat, aka Soviet and German imperialisms during their 75 year lifespans. Now they're almost out of a historical mission, but they found one in the far weaker radical fringe Arabic/Islamic pseudoimperialism, which has about 15 years of troublemaking left if we can peg its beginning at 1945 or 1947 and it also has a political lifespan of ~75 years. (Yes, in comparison to the 75 year fight with the Soviet menace, Iraq represents the semi-equivalent to Vietnam in a putative 75 year conflict with the Arab world: 15 years of fighting whose point was simply to exhaust both sides' stupid fervors.) Let other people fight out the string.

Remember that public life is about the mediocrity of the masses, always. The unimaginative, burdened, somewhat abusive, unintentionally callous, average people- who have appetites and desires, but few if any reasoned opinions. Don't forget the lessons of the wealth of the late Nineties- some people did wonderful things with it, but most of them used it for things their vanity made important. Even the best times do not have happy, modest, people emerge from them- they find new scabs to pick and vices and vanities to pursue, new enemies to battle, new jealousies to indulge in, pipe dreams and scam artists to throw money at. Most people don't or are prevented from using good times to do things that are good or joyful; new resources means that the next thing that causes unhappiness is dealt with.

So take care of your private life now, first of all. Find small joys for yourself. Then decide what you are willing to do and really care about, what you are really willing to put time and effort and money and some of your reputation at stake in. There's always the homeless, the people who need financial advice of a basic kind, battered womens' shelters, surplus food distribution to the poor, voter registration, social service referral, fundraising for Democrats, hospital volunteers, gay marriage legalization efforts, the ex-felon vote disenfranchisement problem in the South/Midwest if you're into complicated and delicate stuff. Don't expect to be rewarded, but be willing to be surprised and honored at what good things people may offer you if you are genuinely giving of yourself. Emerson says that the reward of a job well done is a job well done. Worry yourself with that more than what the newspapers tell about banal people who work in funny antiquated office buildings in a somewhat wierd city far away on the Potomac River. They will never solve any individual person's problem, but you can. Little of what they do can redeem much of the world without people like yourself doing the hands-on work, negotiating the things to be said and things to be done.

All of which is really my paraphrase of the advice Gerald Manley Hopkins, the amazing poet and Jesuit priest, gave a man who asked him how he could regain his faith in mankind (and, in his case, the teachings of the Church). Hopkins said: Give alms.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:19 PM
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13. thank you for such truly thoughtful and thoughtprovoking words
I have copied and pasted that for reading later. I will have to take this into consideration. Maybe I'm not alone in flitting from resolute call to arms (so to speak) and depressed inaction.

I want to do something. We live in a time where it COULD make a difference...

thank you again.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:04 PM
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14. so...does everyone here swing back and forth from discouraged
to hopeful to enraged and ready to fight to discouraged....

these are the times that try men's souls.
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BernieBear Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:53 PM
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15. It's always darkest before the dawn..... n/t
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:44 AM
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16. Gotta admit, it doesn't look good. But opposition takes time to grow.
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