Shooting None Combatants

[Sarrek420]

Is 100% murder and clearly this Marine should be arrested and tried for murder.

I was just on a freeper site and their posts all say that this Iraqi was a criminal and therefore had no protections against being murdered... Absolutely disgustingly incredible.

I can just see it now. If there was a video where a severely wounded Marine was shot in the head like that. These freepers and Der Furor Bush would be outraged.

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Here, here's another video showing Marines murdering a wounded non-combatant..

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/aztlan_thief_host_your_own_video_iraqiwar.wmv

[Pastor of Deaniacs]

1. Link? Backstory?

Freep website link?

[tk2kewl]

2. that one is really fucked

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. This is making matters worse

I personally think that there are many many freepers who think all Muslims are criminals and that they should all be killed. I know some Muslims in this country who are very fearful.

[loathesomeshrub]

4. I can see that bastard coming home and killing here.

I can't blame them for killing in the heat of battle, but when they have human beings lying on the ground looking barely alive, or in pain from wounds, unarmed; then this is inexcusable, and I am about to be totally uncaring about any more troop deaths over there if this is the way most act. The cheering is despicable.

[Jack_DeLeon]

7. So clearing houses after combat has occured...

is not in the heat of battle?

Perhaps you are right on that, however those doing so dont let thier guard drop and they are still in a tense situation where someone could still be alive and threaten them.

Did you see the video? I did and it all occured really quickly. I dont think the shooter realized how bad off the guy was, he shot him after another marine told him he was faking.

[Jack_DeLeon]

5. Actually the term is "non-combatant"

a seriously wounded combatant != a non-combatant.

non-combatants = civillians

[MSgt213]

6. No it's not 100% murder. While I agree with you that shooting

noncombatants is wrong there are factors that could mitigate this. For one thing you are not there seeing bobby trapped bodies being blown up and killing your fellow Marines. Another thing, war is hell, chaos and confusion. You can tell by the very fact that there were not enough troops to take these prisoners away when they should have been that an incident like this could occur.

Those wounded were left there for over a day before new Marines showed up not knowing what the fuck was going on with them. The Marines were being shot at just prior to this incident some thought the shooting came from the Mosque. Finally, you got these young kids wound up to kill something. The senior leadership got them that way before they even entered the city. I can tell you for a fact that there aren't enough troops there and there aren't enough leaders there to settle these young people down. That's not an excuse for this Marine's conduct but it is a failing of leadership not to have leaders around to calm the young ones down.

[gratuitous]

9. You're right about the circumstances

And those circumstances, or similar ones, obtain in every battle, every armed conflict, and every war. And there's never enough troops to stop the atrocities, never enough leaders or old hands to calm the young ones down. It happens every time, with a nauseating regularity as men in combat lose their humanity. Not just sometimes, not most of the time, every time. What should that tell us about the nature of war?

[MSgt213]

13. It doesn't have to be so this time. This Marine would not have been in

situation for this to even happen if were not for incompetence from the first day of war..... We should have to be retaking and taking cities over there after mission accomplished is sounded. We don't fucking control Iraq and every solider and Marine over there is just waiting for the car bomb with their fucking name on it. And it's all needless. You got to know when to shoot and when to shoot quickly because the only other option is climbing into a fucking body bag.

[UNIXcock]

14. I understand your emotion however ...

... the Marines are dealing with boobie-trapped corpses and wounded. It's war, it's ugly, it's horrific, it's wrong - but it will happen in the chaos of war. It's not the Marine's head that should roll. Taken off the battlefield perhaps, but prison - NO

[MSgt213]

15. We don't have any disagreement. I think it's funny though the Marine has

too make a life and death decision in a split second. He more then likely made the wrong one (innocent until proven guilty). But we could just as easily be talking about a bunch of Marines being killed in that Mosque. We are not and I understand that. It's not right for us to kill unarmed and wounded non-combatants and I understand that. It doesn't make us look good at all when we do and I understand that. But I'm not angry at this Marine. I can't be. If I was over there I would like to think that I would do the right thing day in an day out. But I have made mistakes before doing stuff a lot less intense then this.


However, Bush and his cronies had months to intentionally do what they did to put this young man in harms way. They get to retire and get speaking fees and run the country into the fucking ground like there's no tomorrow. We got a bunch of dumb fucks in this country that think it's cool to have some one so called strong on terrorism in charge. Not understanding whatever terrorists are in that country George fucking Bush let in.. Now we got a Marine's life is going to be running because he did something out of fear for his and his fellow Marines lives. It fucking sucks big time.

They are asking if shooting an unarmed man is ever justified. What about an attacking what amounted to an unarmed country? Is that ever fucking justified? Which is worst being responsible for mistakenly taking a life that except in the heat of the moment should have been taken, or intentionally taking many lives that shouldn't have been taken at all.

[gratuitous]

16. Well, you're certainly more charitable than I

Because this happens every time, in every war, I tend to apportion some of the blame to the people who carry out the attacks on an unarmed country. If we didn't have a standing army in peace-time, or if the military refused to hoo-rah off to Iraq or Afghanistan or some other far-flung nation that's no threat to our country, how might our foreign policy be different? What might we spend our nation's wealth on if we weren't pouring over a billion dollars every day (Sundays and holidays included) into the maw of the military-industrial complex?

[Silverhair]

8. How do you know that he is a noncombatant?

Isn't that an assumption on your part? Nor do you know anything else about it. You don't know if the Marines were still under fire are not. If active combat was going on, then there is absolutely no requirement to attempt to rescue an enemy. And the Geneva Convention does allow wounded enemies to be shot again if combat is still active.

[ekhunter]

11. we do not know this individual was a non-combatant.

this video does not show what drew our troops fire. the insurgent was most likely shooting at our troops. our troops had every right to kill the enemy.

[FloridaPat]

10. This whole thing has been a crime. The only criminals in Iraq are

US. This is so unbelieveable. That we can torture and kill so many people like this and not a peep. I can't even watch the "pat on our back" crap on the network news without getting literally sick to my stomach.

[Sarrek420]

12. Freeper Link

The website is wwiionline.com

The forum is the OffTopic forum. But you have to subscribe 13 bucks a month to view and post on the forum..