I can't bring myself to actually hate Bush

[Magnulus]

I mean viscerally hate him... what's to hate? His Southern drawl? His endless stream of funny "Bushisms"? Nothing there to really hate.

Part of me can see why people like this guy and felt comfortable voting for him. Maybe it's because I'm not from a blue state and I have a slight drawl myself. Of course, another half of me knows that the bush ADMINISTRATION (not one guy, but a party), has been sending this country down the crapper. So of course I hate that. The real pitty is that Bush Jr. could have been a moderate like his father, but he wasn't. He had a real chance of unifying the country after September 11th and he did a really good job for a few months, everybody was rooting for him. Then the economy collapsed, he invaded Iraq and proceded to go off into fantasyland. "Lalalala- I'm not listening!".

It's kind of like how some Republicans like Jimmy Carter the man, but hate Jimmy Carter the president.

OTOH, I didn't think Kerry was an elitist. He looked like the next Abraham Lincoln. He could actually speak without tripping over his tongue constantly. He wasn't an anti-intellectual. Part of me liked that, and didn't understand how some folks thought he was an elitist with no charisma. If being intelligent is elitist, well, I fear our country is screwed.

[Tesibria]

1. that's a good thing

... Hate his actions, his ideas, his result.

Adopt the "moral" approach -- love the sinner, hate the sin....

~Tes
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[OldLeftieLawyer]

119. No

I hate him.

I hate him and everything he stands for.

See how simple it is?

Fuck that "hate the sin, love the sinner" bullshit. That's just ridiculous. By that standard, Hitler was just a misguided little guy.

[Sin]

125. No one

Loves me :cry:

[greekspeak]

126. "hate the sin, love the sinner" = hate the sinner

I hate that frigging line. It nauseates me. Not only is it self righteous, it smacks of a quasi-tolerance where none exists at all. Christians who throw that term around do NOT love sinners. They hate sinners. They hate everyone not just like them. How about these:

"ignore the sins of others, worry about your own shortcomings."

"Have love for everyone, just as Jesus taught, not just those who agree with you."

"Get down off the cross...someone else probably needs the wood."

[indigobusiness]

138. It is the antithesis of self-righteousness.

You just don't get it.

[Tesibria]

143. it is nauseating because THEY have polluted it

.. the fundamental message, however, is ""ignore the sins of others, worry about your own shortcomings." and "Have love for everyone, just as Jesus taught, not just those who agree with you."

THAT IS THE MESSAGE -- and I for one am "taking back" the language from the Hatewingers.

that's just me.

~Tes

[WI_DEM]

2. Bush, the man

is totally repellent to me. His fake southern drawl, his cockiness, his smirk. Combine that with a war he brought on which has led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people and the raping of our constitution under his administration. It is pretty easy for me to hate the entire package.

[Magnulus]

6. So you think Bush is Evil with a big E?

I don't think I can agree with that. Maybe he is misguided and I believe, naive (he's never left the country before becomming president, though interestingly enough he took Japanese and Spanish in college). I see him more as a good natured but anti-intellectual puppet for the Neo-Conservatives, "small government", and the Religious Right.

Bush isn't stupid, he's just intellectually lazy. Lots of folks are in the US. It's one of the great sins, I see it on the left and the right, though the right has far, far more of it, IMO.

BTW, why do you think his accent is fake? It sounds real enough to me. My folks are from Oklahoma and they talk about the same as Dubya.

[louis-t]

17. B*sh has spent part of his miserable life in Tejas

and transplanted people do tend to absorb accents. However, it seems the farther south he is, the more accent he has. He is such a phony. I hate phonies.

[SammyWinstonJack]

116. My husband and his family have spent their entire lives in Texas

well, except for the few years my husband was living in Cali with me, that is. And none of them have that accent the chimp speaks with. A few words might have a texas twang to them, but that is it. bush* is an all around phony from his accent to his religious beliefs.

[realisticphish]

20. his accent IS fake

tapes from when he was a governer clearly show he did not have the drawl. not to mention that he basically lived in new england during his formative years


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[Magnulus]

28. He grew up in Texas

Those were his formative years. You don't really lose that accent you grow up with.

My dad's accent varies alot. When he was in the military, he would have the typical "Military" accent, and when he's on business, he does too. But when he's around people with similar accents, you can really hear it. The same is true with myself, I believe.

[stanwyck]

135. Andover isn't in Texas

and maybe you haven't noticed, but the Texas drawl is quite erratic. It's heavy when he's in the South or talking to his infommercial crowds. Almost nonexistent when he's in Stateman Mode speaking to the nation.

[sandnsea]

29. Evil with a big E

Or sociopath with a big S. You say he isn't stupid, you've got that right. He knows exactly what he's doing, knows the results, intends the results to be millions of people suffering, and bullshits people into believing it's a grand Christian plan. Evil, capital E-V-I-L.

[HuskerDem]

31. Yes, Evil with a big E

What that he were the affable idiot you describe. He is not. He is is the worst kind of evil - a meglomaniac with a messianic complex that treats human life like Kleenex pays the wisdom of centuries contempt in nearly his every action.


Yes, evil wiht a big E.

[Cadfael]

58. Like the E on the Eye Chart big E

Hugely E-V-I-L

bumbling incompetents don't mock people that they're about to put to death...

[Dangerman]

140. As evil as Hitler himself!

That's Bush in a nutshell.

[bowens43]

43. So many bush apologists here today...

amazing...

[atreides1]

46. I Think Given More Bush Could Become EVIL Incarnate

If he was a 12 year old child I could buy the misguided/naive argument, as for not leaving the country, I don't see how this has anything to do with it.

There are many people here in the US who have never left the country, and I even know some, and they are neither misguided or naive.

Intellectually lazy=ignorant, not stupid, but it makes him just as dangerous, as does being a puppet.

And what good nature are you talking about.

I think Bush is EVIL, you have to be to send American troops to die, based on lies, you have to be EVIL to show little to no feeling for the Iraqi civilians who have been killed in this war. You have to be EVIL to defend the torture of prisoners, or to make fun of a woman on death row.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

122. No

He spent a summer in Scotland when he was a child and his parents were moving.

He's been to Yale and to Harvard and he's always had the wherewithal to go wherever he wanted, but he chose to coke it up and waste other people's money. The idea that he's the President when he never gave a damn about knowing anything about the rest of the world makes him even more abhorrent to me.

As governor, he enjoyed presiding over executions. I guess that's because he didn't go abroad as a young man?

He's a total waste of life and, with the Iraq debacle, a war criminal/mass murderer.

I hate him and everything he represents.

[Lerkfish]

141. Bush is the Antichrist...

or, at the very least, he is holding the place in line until the antichrist comes along.

consider: bent on world domination, anxious to kill innocents and call it security...preemptively invading countries to steal their oil....the Abu Ghraib tortures, the hubris and the arrogance and the gleeful gleam when people are executed.


yep. Bush: he may not be the antichrist, but he tries harder.

[Komrade _azul]

3. Don't hate the player...

Can't hate Bush? Can't hep you there...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

4. "Nothing there to really hate."

LOFL.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. Don't worry, Magnulus. I'll hate him enough for both of us, okay?

[Liberalynn]

9. Maybe In Mr. T's words

"Pity the fool." I just wish he wasn't trying to take so many of us down the crapper with him.

[leftofthedial]

7. that makes one of us

I wouldn't piss on the little bushturd if he was on fire.

[GHOSTDANCER]

8. I feel sorry for him, being so ignorant must be a bitch. N/T

[HuskerDem]

10. I hate him enough for both of us and a whole rodeo too

So don't worry about it, I've got you covered.:thumbsup:

[AJ BENDER]

11. Actually I Find it easy to hate a mass murderer.

And if it weren't for his voluntary call to invade Iraq, tens of thousand of people who have died by whatever hand, our bombs, enemy fire, mujahadeen,disease would not have. Any way you see this "War" you cannot deny this obvious fact.

[Magnulus]

13. Blame Donald Rumsfeld, Perl, and Wolfowitz

I CAN hate them. It's easy. But Bush is just being fed a bunch of crap by chickenhawk know-nothings. He probably even sincerely believes alot of it. Like I said, he doesn't live with a "reality-based" worldview.

[AJ BENDER]

22. The "Innocent" Shrub & his evil advisors.......

....is a line of reasoning that is such a crock of shit......They are all evil warmongering, in most cases a profiteering, Buckets of Scum --- each & every one of them.


We're Talking Major League Assholes here.

[UdoKier]

23. Being dull-witted doesn't excuse people from their responibility.

His own church told him not to attack Iraq. If he's so damn pious, why wouldn't he listen to them, even a little? He refused to even meet with them.

Yes, he's dumb, yes, he's manipulated by thugs, but he is a pig. He is aware on some level of the corruption he is promoting, and he DOES NOT CARE.

[Mountainman]

12. I hate him and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Sure hate is a negative emotion and probably has some negative effect on me, but Bush is evil. I know that good and evil must exist side by side in this world. The Tao tells me that we would not know good as good if we did not know evil.

It is OK to hate evil and love good.

[Individualist]

14. You seem to be unaware of his crimes,

so you need to educate yourself.

[karlrschneider]

15. It's okay, I hate him more than enough for both of us

:grr:

[bowens43]

16. I hate EVERYTHING about the stupid little SOB

He didn't do a good job after 911, 911 happened because he wasn't doing his job. We were rooting for our country ,the little piece of crap just happened to the be president.

[Magnulus]

21. Why not blame Clinton for 9/11

He thought lobbing a cruise missile or two and blowing up asprin factories would keep terrorists away. He was too scared to actually get the US involved. He chickened out of Somalia after only 15 troops died, in a battle that killed 1,000 Somali militiamen loyal to Muhammed Farah Aidid.

Like I said in another post, I am no fan of Bill Clinton.

[Individualist]

27. So you're going to blame Clinton for Pearl Harbor next?

Makes just as much sense as blaming him for 9/11. You know nothing about PNAC, do you?

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[Magnulus]

37. What's that suppossed to mean?

Who is in the "reality based" community here? I'm not saying Bush's "War on Terror" has been a stellar succes- in fact, it's a failure. But you are drifting into Michael Moore crackpot conspiracy theories.

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[Magnulus]

45. woah

Me nationalist? Far from it.

[Stephanie]

50. What are you doing at DU?

You are at the wrong place, unless you just like to argue. And we don't appreciate being called crackpot. If you say it about MM you are saying it about us too.

[UdoKier]

42. He acted incompetently by ignoring the Aug. 6 memo.

In that sense, he let it happen. Period. He did nothing and he had enough info to do something.

As for the LIHOP/MIHOP theories, you are free to look into them and appraise them as you will. There are some plausible ones and some crazy ones, but they are not uniformly "tin foil" territory.

And They did plan the Iraq war well before 9-11. That's just a matter of fact. They were just waiting for an excuse, even one as far-fetched as 9-11.

[Magnulus]

47. You are right about Iraq

Lots of people have been hounding Clinton and Bush for years to "finish the job". The Neo-conservatives, for one.

[Liberalynn]

53. Clinton Had A Heart

I for one wish we had Clinton back. On another normally non politically motivated board some Repuke actually posted, that we would have to suffer through Bush like they did Clinton.

Someone beat me to it in posting back, "yeah peace and prosperity is a real bitch ain't it?" Love that line.

[Magnulus]

61. Clinton brought us TANF

With friends like that, poor people didn't need Republicans to stab them inthe back

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[Magnulus]

35. Thugs stealing Red Cross

supplies in violation of the Geneva Convention means nothing to you? Aidid was a thug, and he had ties with Osama bin Laden. The US and the UN were on a peacekeeping mission, and people were starving.

[UdoKier]

55. What was the objective of our being there?

And how could the under-equipped skeleton crew Bush I sent there possibly have achieved it? Face it, that was a cynical ploy by Bush 1 to leave a mess for Clinton to clean up.

Don't tell me, you also think Saddam "Kicked out the UN inspectors" in 1998?

Genocide on a massive scale was still occurring in E. Timor at the time, and he did nothing about that. (But Clinton did, largely thanks to his efforts, E. Timor is now free and at peace)

But anyway, it's becoming pretty clear that you're only here to spew RW talking points, bash Clinton and defend Bush, and I'm not going to play thins game with you any longer.

Please do some research on these issues on NON-REPUBLICAN sites and get back to me sometime.

[Magnulus]

63. You've got me wrong.

You've got me wrong. I'm just not a nonthinking useful idiot for the party leadership. I don't agree with everything somebody does just because they are an anointed Democrat.

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[Magnulus]

76. I'm a registered Democrat

I vote for some Republicans, but mostly I vote Democrat. This year I voted Democrat for the whole ticket.

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[Magnulus]

40. I don't listen to rush

or Fox news.

but the conspiracy crap you all are buying into is scary.

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[UdoKier]

68. What conspiracy crap?

There is plenty to despise him for just going from the proven facts.

The conspiracy theories may or may not be true, but they are a direct result of the secrecy and underhandedness of this administration, not "Left-wing looniness"

We remember history. We remember Iran/Contra and the death squads Ollie paid for with drug money. This is the same crew. Why should they be any more moral? They will do whatever they can get away with.

[Magnulus]

72. If it weren't for Iran Contra

Many AMericans would be rotting away in Tehran. Was it a good thing to fund all those death squads? Not really. But at least they got the Americans home.

[UdoKier]

77. Yet more ignorance.

There was possible deal at the time of the hostage crisis(never proven), but Iran/Contra happened much later. Un-freaking believable. Why am I even talking to you?

[Bridget Burke]

64. Clinton mostly managed to keep the terrorists at bay.

Those who tried to blow the WTC were jailed. Other attacks on this country were thwarted.

Bush & his people ignored warnings & allowed 9/11 to happen. Blame them.

[HuskerDem]

81. Ahaaaaaa now you begin to show yourself

So you say Bush is a nice guy and we should blame Bill Clinton for 9/11?

I'm sure there are forums out there that will be more receptive to your notions than most well be here. Freeperland, for instance comes to mind.

I'm not sure if your realized this, but Democratic Underground is for DEMOCRATS. You don't really sound like any kind of Democrat I know.

[Magnulus]

89. You are right

I'm a Democrat who thinks.

I voted for Perot in 1996 because Clinton stabbed poor people in the back with TANF. AS far as I am concerned, the man was slime. Slick, like slime, but lowlife nontheless. He caved into the REpublican Contract on American every time he could.

[UdoKier]

93. Nobody defended welfare deform here - You smeared Clinton on terrorism

And you've been called on it. Don't try to change the subject.

(As if deficit hawk Perot would've saved AFDC - LOL)

[Magnulus]

97. Yes

But what's the point in voting for Clinton when he axed welfare? It was a protest vote.

[mtnsnake]

18. Just the sight of that crooked bastard makes me want to

dive through the TV, but since that's not a practical solution I just opt to change the channnel when his ugly puss appears.

Sounds to me like you're trying to convince us he's not as bad as everyone thinks he is, and that it's not really Bush's fault but his administration's fault instead. Give me a break.

[UdoKier]

19. His lies, murder and absolute corruption maybe?

The fact that he did NOTHING with the Aug. 6 Memo to prevent 9-11, and even worked to protect the Saudis from any investigations both before and after 9-11?

The fact that EVERY SINGLE WORD he ever said about the Iraq war was a lie, that he sentenced THOUSANDS to unnecessary deaths?

Unforgivable!

Now he wants to demolish what little remains of the New Deal with his discredited privatization schemes? To hell with this man.

And I'm not too fond of you either, if you're that blind.

You think we hate him just because he's a moron? There are a great many stupid people who are also very nice and an asset to society. But they don't set out to rule the free world via their dad's connections, then loot the treasury for their cronies.

This is NOT about silly superficialities. Maybe you need to go back to reading "USA Today" if that's the level you're thinking on.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. "And I'm not too fond of you either"

LOEFL.

[firebee]

24. Don't worry...

I have enough hatred for Bush to suffice for everybody in DU. I, ironically, hate physical violence, even though I was in boxing for 6 years. With that, I'd love to get my hands on Bush and smack the living crap out of him. I'm talking about a good pimp slappin "Who's your daddy" ass woopin. I would love to make Bush cry for his momma. I'd like nothing more, than to see a group of 50 old ladies swinging makeup loaded purses at Bush.

I hate his stupid ass Bushisms, I hate his Christian bigotry, I hate his greedy and vain economic plans, I hate his wrathful and greedy wars, I hate his blasphemous statements. I mean I REAALLLY HATE THIS GUY.

[realisticphish]

I can understand

im not much of a hating person myself either. really, i see shrub as a moron, who is no more than a puppet for cheney, who i DO hate, and IS evil. but i think the issue is that he is the figurehead, the poster-child for the administration, which, with or without his influence has done so many terrible things. so he is where most of the anger is focused

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[Liberalynn]

38. Well Stated.

I do hate the terrible things this administration has done.

[Shakespeare]

26. "Who cares what you think?"

Thus sayeth Bush. That, I can hate. Viscerally. The man feels no empathy whatsoever, and that's loathsome.

I suggesting reading Mark Crispin Miller's book on Bush to get a little insight into his damaged psyche. Bet it changes your mind.

[DuaneBidoux]

33. Gosh, I find is soooooo easy.

[Batgirl]

83. Sick and tired of Bush's

"I'm just an affable little puppet/buffoon."

His attitude is that the world is made up of two basic groups victimizers and victims. The vast majority belonging to the second group. And that in order to belong to the fist group one must approach life as an animal with bared teeth.

His kind view the great mass of the world's population as mere chickens that are here for the plucking.

One of the things I'd looked forward to the most about chimpy's election defeat was not having to carry around this hatred that doubtless has turned my innards into a horrible cocktail of churning stomach acid and rampaging malignancies.

[Magnulus]

87. It's entirely possible

Bush really believes his policies are best for people and the country. Since all he ever sees is himself and his rich buddies, maybe he thinks his tax cuts are good for the country?

[UdoKier]

100. Ignorance is NEVER an excuse for evil behavior

Whether it's Bush in his bubble of wealth, typical suburbanites in their all-white fantasy world, or pampered southern belles who never gave a second thought to the slaves who attended their every whim.

Their obliviousness to reality is always eventually their doom.

[Redleg]

39. I don't know if I hate Bush- oh fuck it- I do very much dislike that piece

of distended dog rectum. I never met him and hope I never do. He has so little to qualify him for the presidency and he acts so arrogantly that it just makes me want to fucking scream. AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!

Now it's time for some tea. Decaff, perhaps? Fuck no!

[seabeyond]

44. are you female, do you think this man has the ability

to decide who you are as a person, your worth in this world as a female. that you need someone to speak for you and think for you and tell you who you are and what you are to believe. do you not feel empowered by your own ability to decide for yourself, above and beyond any male to decide for you

because i have to tell you, if i am trusting my ability and skill in moral value and all of who i am as a person, i would rather do it myself than be dependent on a few handful of domineering controlling greedy white male to keep me in my place with out a right to speak out

i am just not use to having that structure in my life. wont go willingly

[Magnulus]

51. no, I'm a man last time I checked

The screename magnulus should be a dead giveaway. It's definitely not feminine.

[seabeyond]

65. then, i bet you arent as bothered as say the

gay or the females or the blacks, unless you are black, then you should understand. or if you are an atheist. or a girlie man. any of those

[Magnulus]

71. Gimmie a break

You know nothing about me, OK. Since when does one have to buy into identity politics to be a real Democrat or progressive?

[seabeyond]

78. i didnt challenge your being a real demcrat or progressive

you said you couldnt hate bush, that you could see a charm in bush maybe seeing how you have a drawl also. well for some of us, it is more easy not to fall for that charm you suggest, when your rights are being denied. example when the gay becomes illegal, because this folksy charm is ignorant, or rights of a woman is decided by a doctor that writes about pms? pick up a bible. i would rather have a doctor that treated my symptoms thru medicine, not the bible

this is a little more serious, much quicker than thought, for some of us. we are already seeing what is in store for us, as groups

so no, the charm you talk others see, i simply cannot see it

[Magnulus]

85. You seriously think

Bush will make homoseuality illegal? After the Supreme Court said it was legal? There's no chance of it. Republicans wouldn't support it. There are too many Republicans who would draw the line there.

[seabeyond]

88. your funny, lol lol thinking isnt that the huge issue

that brought so many to come out to vote in key repug states. are you serious. kinda like they really would not be able to put a doctor in the fda that think a woman with pms has something to do with the bible. they would draw the line. they really wouldnt be able to stop a woman from getting a prescription of the pill. after all a lot of right wing male screwing women who dont wnat women to get preg and dont want to wear a condom. like cant deny gay his medicine for aids

well, i dont trust them. tell me it wont happen, i will have to wait and see

[Magnulus]

90. THey voted to prohibit same sex marriage

Not to re-instate sodomy laws.

[seabeyond]

95. check out texas

we are only beginning. you want to stay convinced that it wont happen fine. i cannot guarentee that it will. i dont trust them that isnt exactly where we are heading

falwell and robertson and jones have spoken, werent you listening

[Magnulus]

102. Bush will take them for granted

Just wait and see. They are already furious about Gonzales appointment, and also that he said that atheists are free to not believe.

[seabeyond]

108. i am sorry i dont trust liein bush

but, he appointed a doctor to fda that wrote a book telling a woman with pms pick up the bible and read it. maybe that doesnt offend you but being female and blamed by the fundies for all sin, because adam took a bite of an apple, i dont want my doctor to tell me i have to feel the pain in my reproductive system cause god said i had to feel the pain to know what a sinner i was

you think i shouldnt have a problem with this

[Magnulus]

109. I believe that

was advice for Christian women. People are taking that out of context. Sure, the guy is probably a loon, but don't read too much into that.

[seabeyond]

112. he has control over the fda

why shouldnt i have a responsibility and obligation to read something into it. and btw i am a christian woman, and still think i should get my pill so when i have pain from illness even in my reproductive system i am treated


and what about when a pharmacist morally objects to giving me the said pill. is this man going to represent me, and demand i be givin it. when the pharmecist can say he objects, the bible says i should feel the pain. the same as them objecting to giving gay their medicine. or they object to giving a woman her pill prescription

this is the man that represents and protects me.; so yes, i am concerned and i am going to make a big deal out of it

[Magnulus]

113. that's fine and I agree

But keep in mind he was writing a religious book, which is his right. Muslims and Jews write similar stuff. Who knows, maybe it does help Christian women to read the Bible when they have PMS. I wouldn't know. I'm just saying don't crucify the guy over that one thing, that's petty.

from what I have read soybeans, flaxseed, and honeybush are very good for PMS, though I cannot of course speak from personal experience.

[seabeyond]

121. remember this conversation 6 months from now

when you see the attacks on women and gays. it is just beginning. if i am wrong, i will say so. but i am sure i wont be worng. i can feel attack on me, and i certainly see it towards the gays, i think all gays will say they feel it too.

so you sit in comfort, but these two groups wont be sittin in so much confidence. especially knowing that the male, is in comfort in non belief of what will probably be. we kinda do this a lot with repugs. oh no, they wouldnt do that. by golly they did. ya but, they wont do this. oops wrong again

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

146. Watch out there mag

you are starting to argue for the other side. Might want to check out the membership guidelines for DU before you go much further.

[Skidmore]

48. * could never have successfully united this country. His

pathology will not let him do anything selfless. He is the classic sociopath. Nothing is his fault ever, every slight is remembered and never forgotten and repaid in kind or worse, charm exudes when it serves him. He's not smart, but cunning in the way sociopaths are cunning. He would be smile and praise you while stabbing you in the back.

[DrWeird]

49. The man ordered torture of Abu Ghraib inmates.

Then when the press found out, he blamed the troops.

How can you not hate that?

[Magnulus]

54. Gonzales talked him into it, no doubt

Gave him some BS about the Geneva Conventions being "irrelevant".

[DrWeird]

59. And?

So lets say Himmler talked Hitler into gassing the Jews.

[Stephanie]

60. So you embrace Bush's "the buck stops over there" excuse.

Of course you do.

[Magnulus]

79. No

I'm just saying... I cannot hate the man. Wish he would resign, yes, but foaming at the mouth... no.

[Jax]

136. You nailed it Stephanie

:thumbsup:

I hate everything about the lying murderer.

Jax

[Stephanie]

137. I hate him more -

Why is this thread still going? Kind of amazing.

:hi:

[Cat Atomic]

80. Poor Georgie! He didn't know!

Fuck this Bush apologist garbage. GW Bush is cruel, stupid, and incompetent. You bet I hate him. Not just his administration.

[UdoKier]

86. Geeez -you've got an excuse for everything for this guy!

Man, he must be the most easy-to-manipulate guy in the world! What about his "steadfast resolve"?

[samtob]

52. I am going out on a line to agree with you on

"I cant bring myself to actually hate Bush"

For me personally, to HATE takes entirely too much energy, it drains me emotionally.

Hate does not empower me in other words.

I have truly hated one person in my life, the man who felt it necessary to beat the hell out of me, and hold me hostage in my own home. When I escaped, I allowed myself to hate him, it consumed me. I started thinking of all the people who blindly defended or befriended him, and I focused on trying to hate them too.

I lost focus on what I should be doing to rebuild my life, and the lives of my children. Instead I fell into the darkness of hatred and continued to spiral downward (emotionally and functionally) and became ineffective as a mother.

After spending three full months in hate filled coma, barely remembering the events of these days, I realized I had to break the "chains of hate".

Like a slap in the face of reality, my then four year old son asked me "why do you hate everything"? Then and only then did I understand how I had put my kids through hell after taking them out of another hell.

**sorry for the long personal story I am sure you did not want to know....this short relationship with the abuser was after a failed marriage, needless to say, I did not have my head on straight***

My point is, I cannot function in a positive manner filled with hate, I am sure I am not alone.

I can despise what this administration has done, what they will do, the president included. But I cannot hate Bush...can't hate him for his sloppy speech, his facial expressions, his walk, etc.

Personally I am more effective when I have a brighter goal in sight. In the life story above it was focusing on my children and putting our life back together, in my political perspective it is educating people in this flaming red state through gentle (loving if you will) measures.

I have found if you approach people (children or adults) with a negative (hateful) demeanor, they will respond in a defensive fashion. Approach them with kindness, love, positive attitude, etc. they are more likely to welcome the approach and listen.

JMO

[A-Schwarzenegger]

69. delete

[OldLeftieLawyer]

123. Tell me how much you cannot hate him

when one of your kids comes home (at night, in the dark) in a flag-covered coffin.

You're trying - and failing - to intellectualize what is an emotional matter.

It's not possible. That's why your post, while nicely written, fails to persuade. It's out of your head.

The people posting here about hating Bush are speaking out of their souls, and I applaud them for it. Intellectualizing something this profound is what has made so many people think Iraq isn't really as bad is "they're making it out to be."

Look at the photos of dead Iraqi babies, and tell me how you cannot bring yourself to hate George W. Bush.

Get some heart, and then get honest with yourself.

[samtob]

142. Persuasion was not my intent

As I stated, this is merely my opinion, one in which I can relate to in MY real life experiences.

I despise the actions of this administration as I stated, I do not need to look at pictures of dead babies to come to this conclusion.

As far as getting "some heart", you are coming to conclusions regarding someone you know nothing about. Not that I feel I should be allowed special consideration, or any kudos from you or anyone else, but my spare time is spent volunteering at a women and children's shelter (victims of domestic violence). This is where I have chosen to spend that extra emotional energy I used to use up with hate. I have seen women do much the same thing I did when I escaped, spending more energy letting themselves hate, instead of focusing on a future. Sadly, their time in the shelter and transitional housing is limited and this is very valuable time wasted.

I respect your right to hate whom ever you wish, that is your choice and I would never try to persuade you otherwise. Merely responding, with my personal reasons for being unable, or rather, unwilling, to hate.

[hiphopnation]

57. this is kookie

[hiphopnation]

62. "I can't bring myself to hate Hitler"

Of course the Nazi Party I'm totally against and I can see the awful things that they've done. But Hilter the man is just kind of a misguided nationalistic kook. It's too bad he couldn't have been more like Bismark, ya know?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

66. I should really give it

to your guy who was smart enough to steal two eletions in a row. Like the Chimp said 'fool me once shame on you fool me twice.....'

[Comicstripper]

67. Evil, with a big footnote:

*He's "evil" as an extension of his policies, which are evil. Personally, I don't think someone can be 'evil,' it's a matter of behavior. So, his behavior is evil, and by extension so is he, but I mean, how can someone have an evil personality?

[hiphopnation]

70. details, details

[A-Schwarzenegger]

73. Falafels Really Express Everything Perfectly Except Reality.

[hiphopnation]

74. LOL!!

Excellent!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

82. I'm hoping it catches on.

[hiphopnation]

84. You know, the "F" could be interchangeable

depending on your mood. :D

[mtnsnake]

91. It's unreal how you dont think it's Bush's fault, but everyone elses fault

In your OP, you're blaming everyone and everything but him. It's the fault of his administration but not him; he gets a bad rap because of the economy. LOL!

You also said "Part of me can see why people like this guy and felt comfortable voting for him."

Huh? How can anyone who voted for Kerry feel that way about the chimp?

[Magnulus]

92. Because some of us aren't blinded by hate

I mean all I'm saying is hate is a negative emotion, it divides people, it doesn't really do anything positive.

[buckettgirl]

104. You are right about that

But I'm sure that you still can't tell me one good decision bush has made.

[Magnulus]

107. Yes I can

That "DO NOT CALL" list. I only wish it applied to politicians too. I got so many REpublican party calls because my dad is a Republican.

[buckettgirl]

110. i'm not being sarcastic here...

did bush really have anything to do with it (i really don't know, i didn't keep up with it)? or was that one of the many things he blindly signed into law?

if he just blindly signed it into law because he signs everything, then I'm not sure if it was 'good' of him.
however i do think that the do not call list is a good thing, so i guess you're right

[Magnulus]

111. I don't know

though he did say that it was because families should be able to have a meal together without being harassed constantly. On this, I think Democrats and Republicans could agree on something.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

147. Actually states such as Texas started passing state laws

about Do Not Call lists and when he saw how popular it was getting, he got behind a national one.

Period.

Wow, whatta record.

[Sparkly]

106. Do you blame Chimp for ANYthing?

So far, I see you've blamed Rumsfeld, Perl, Wolfowitz, Clinton, and Gonzales -- all in one thread.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

124. Wanna bet?

If I hate you, and you're busy intellectualizing how hate is a negative emotion, and you can't see having something so negative in your life, and you think that with a little more love and understanding, this whole world would be a better, happier, more wonderful place, I'm gonna wipe you out while you're flapping your idiot gums.

Then I win.

And that's a good thing.

Hate's good. It gets stuff done when it finally needs to be done.

[Wind Dancer]

94. Delete

[chefgirl]

96. Maybe you can't, but I have no trouble hating Bush

What's to hate? Well...

I'll start with my biggest reason for hating him. He is bent on destroying the Constitution, and recreating it the way HE thinks it should be, as if that self-righteous little prick has any business re-thinking some of the finest minds America ever had, the founders. There is a direct correlation between the love I have for my country, and its principles, and the amount of true hatred I feel for this man. It is my own issue to atone for, possibly, but there you have it.

He is one of the most prolific killers ever unleashed upon the world. He actually had the audacity to smirk and giggle at the idea of executing Karla Faye Tucker, who, if ever there was a poster child for rehabilitation, would have been the obvious choice.

He gets enjoyment out of standing on the necks of those who weren't born as financially fortunate as him, as if he had anything to do with what uterus he fell from.

His very lack of humility and his personal brand of arrogance are antithetical to everything America has always striven to achieve, at the cost of many a good man's (and woman's) life and blood.

His actions concerning the welfare of the people of this nation are farcical representations of the Christianity he claims to be guided by in his decisions.

He stole my right to participate in a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people, because he feels it is his GAWD given right to installed in the postion of ultimate power.
Can anything be more un American than that?

While I don't think I've ever felt TRUE and searing hatred in my life until December 12, 2000, I have NO trouble hating George W. Bush, for these, and so many more, reasons.

-chef-

[Mandate My Ass]

98. Today you can't bring yourself to hate him...

whereas yesterday Magnulus proclaimed.."Having said taht, I do like George Bush as a person, and I probably share many of his values on a deep level..."

Then there's: Clinton bombed the aspiring factory, Clinton chickened out, Michael Moore is a crackpot, Gonzalez made (Bush) agree to the torture memo, and by far my favorite RW slur of all time....Drumroll Pleeeeeease.

USEFUL IDIOT

[Hubert Flottz]

99. Flame Bait?

[buckettgirl]

101. I can hate bush and the administration.

I see where you are coming from, especially that he is not the only one doing things to this country, it is his administration and the republican party too.
But I can hate bush because he is the president, puppet or not, and he is allowing this stuff to happen. If he had any morals in his brain, he would think twice about some of his decisions. I also can hate him for not being able to admit his mistakes. I hate him for thinking that he is only doing good.

[Magnulus]

105. OK, you got me there

I think he should have personally apologized about the WMD in Iraq, about the fact that the evidence for WMD was shaky. But to my knowledge, he never has. So that's one big flaw in his character right there.

[UdoKier]

114. The whole buildup to the war was a pretense. DISGUSTING.

He claimed to have exhausted all avenues of diplomacy, but he never said WITH whom. He tried diplomacy with Europe to get them to join the war, but there was NEVER ANY diplomacy with Iraq. NONE. He lied that he hadn't decided whether or not to go to war on NUMEROUS occasions, even when he had 150K troops en route!

He kept saying "Saddam hasn't disarmed" even though Saddam had met every single one of his demands, and despite the fact that he had NO evidence that Saddam was not complying. This was the period when I really came to despise Bush, because it was so transparent that he was lying about EVERYTHING and not playing fair with Iraq (which had been prostrate for over a decade, and had endured repeated attacks even under Clinton.)

[Magnulus]

115. Hans Blix himself

said Iraq wasn't fully cooperating. But Hans Blix thought he needed more time. Bush could have given him more time, it would have been, IMO, the moral thing to do.

[UdoKier]

127. dupe. delete.

[UdoKier]

134. He also said he doubted there were any weapons.

And that's beside the point. Bush said "He's not disarming" - a claim he had NO evidence to back up. he didn't say "He's not complying." The fact was that there were only a few things found that may have violated the UN's resolutions, (rockets with too long a range, and they were surrendered and destroyed), but nothing to warrant a war.

Saddam complied with the resolutions to the best off his ability. He is a thug, but no more of a thug than most other middle-eastern leaders. I'm sick of this phony image that he's another hitler. He's not even a Qadafi.

And for the record, I thought we should have let them have Kuwait too. We had gotten along with Saddam all those years, he had been a bulwark against Iran, he was a stabilizing presence in the region, and not only did he have some historical claim to Kuwait, the Kuwaitis were cross-drilling into Iraq's oilfields. And Kuwait's royal family was every bit as oppressive as Saddam.

Of course the problems began when Bush's envoy to Iraq April. Glaspie (google it!) gave Saddam IMPLICIT PERMISSION to invade Kuwait. She was later quoted as saying "I thought he'd take the oilfields, I never thought he'd take the whole country!"


After that screwup, Bush sr., aware of the billions that Kuwait had socked away in US banks and investments, esp. Citibank, was forced to act to protect our mutual financial interests. It was never about "liberating" the Kuwaiti people.


The lies and distortions from Bushes about Iraq go waaay back, Magnulus.

[Cat Atomic]

120. The evidence wasn't "shaky".

It was fabricated. He lied to sell a war. If that doesn't inspire hatred in you, then you're the one with the problem.

[NoSheep]

103. You ARE right about our country being screwed.

[mvd]

117. He may be a puppet, but..

he's extremely arrogant and a radical who has caused a lot of needless destruction in Iraq. It really gets me angry. I don't see what's not to hate.

[Name removed]

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[Gayla]

133. I have no problem

hating Bush, his policies, his lies, his greed, his arrogance,
his war happy attitude, his lack of responsibility, his it's
owed to me attitude, his very being.

I hate him and what he's doing to my country.

As a not very religious person, I think he's the anti-christ.

[ElectroPrincess]

128. He reminds me of MANY arrogant Frat Rats at my college ...

Yeah, I despise that "personality type" as incurious and willfully ignorant. Second to highly intelligent evil persona's I hate the dimwit swaggering cowboy types almost as much.

U NO WORRY ... I'll hate his type twice as much just for you :P . <snicker>

[Q]

129. Well...you have a lot of gall...

...trolling in DU to praise Bush* and trash Dems.

- I can only assume that you're willfully ignorant or trying to piss us off.

- Incidentally...it was your 'Moore is a crackpot' rhetoric that exposed your true motivation. Right out of the RWing Talking Point playbook

[grace0418]

130. THOUSANDS DEAD good enough reason?

I personally think there is A LOT to hate about him. Not his drawl, not his (not funny, IMHO) Bushisms. Those are just stupid and annoying, not hate-provoking.

What I hate is his arrogance with absolutely nothing backing it up. He gets on his high-horse about morals but has not shown a single example of having any morals or ethics of any kind. I hate his xenophobia, homophobia, racism, sexism. I hate his unbelievably un-Christian "Christian" ideals. I hate his lies. He lies to people constantly, with that smug smile on his face. He says whatever they want to hear and then does the complete opposite. When he gets called on his lies he either denies them, ignores the question, or has the questioner silenced. He's greedy, manipulative, selfish, and completely devoid of feeling for anyone but his immediate family.

Worst of all, his lies, greed, manipulation andarrogance have cost the lives of THOUSANDS of people. Soldiers and innocent civilians alike. For what? So we could take Saddam into custody? So his buddies could profit off the spoils?

For the record, I actually don't think he did a very good job after 9/11. I just posted something about that last night. I think he did the bare minimum that ANYONE would do given the circumstances. He gave speeches about bringing down the perpetrators, he got misty-eyed at memorials, and he talked about how great and brave Americans are. BIG EFFIN DEAL. Who WOULDN'T do at least that if they were president? Everyone I know was crying at the drop of a hat and talking about how wonderful our country is, and none of them needed speech-writers or handlers to tell them to behave that way. Why does Bush get some kind of freaking medal for resembling a humanoid for a month or two following the attacks?

Methinks that if you had a child who died in Iraq fighting this trumped-up war you might feel you could hate him. Or maybe if you were a 19-yr-old kid sitting in Iraq without any body armor, getting sick from depleted uranium and watching families being blown up, you might start feeling pretty negatively towards him.

I think the Jimmy Carter comparison is, well, really no comparison. Despite what people think of him as a president, I don't think anyone can deny that he is a good man. Bush has done NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that would make me think he's a good president OR a good man.

Maybe hating him is wrong because it only fills you with poison. But I think sometimes a person comes along who is simply so monstrous that it makes it difficult to feel anything but hatred for him. Cruel dictators top that list for me. And George Bush far more closely resembles a cruel dictator than he does a president.

[grace0418]

131. A friend sent me this a couple of years ago

in the buildup before the war. I loved it and keep it as a sticky on my desktop:

Why I Hate George Bush

Like a majority of Americans, I didn't vote for him.

He only speaks Spanish when it's easy. He knows about a dozen words, but when he hits a concept more complicated than "el sueño Americano es para todo la gente", he switches to English.

He is born again and so vocal about it. I love how it's always the ones that were the most odious and vile drug addicts and losers that convert and then not only is all forgiven, but they want to tell the rest of us how we're sinners. If there was a God and he could forgive your sorry ass for snorting coke, and raping co-eds, I'm sure he could forgive the rest of us ten times over.

The Washington press corps doesn't ask him hard questions. Clinton got a beaner from an intern and they were down his throat, we're on the verge of war and some tart asks him, "how does your faith influence your deliberations on war?" Give me a break. There are about a thousand good questions he should be answering, this isn't one of them. I don't give a crap how his faith influences anything. I don't want to hear about it. It's bad enough we have a president that wears his plastic religion on his sleeve already, you don't need to give him excuses to claim he prays for peace.

By the way, if he is praying for peace, how come he is preparing for war? Doesn't this supposedly devout Christian believe in the power of prayer? Is he turning his back on his God? If I was Jesus, I would be right pissed right now. In fact, I would talk to my daddy about a good old-fashioned salt-pillar turning right about now.

Lies, lies, lies. Where is all the money he promised for New York City, where is all the money he promised to help cities and states deal with increased security, where is all the money he promised to fight AIDS, why are people letting him get away with saying one thing and doing another?

He has systematically pissed on all of our allies. Germany and France who are some of our longest-standing European allies are now mad at us, virtually the entire middle east is angry with us. I feel that the administrations policies are going to get us all killed. I guess that's okay if you think your reward awaits you in heaven, but for me, I wanted to spend a little more time rewarded on Earth. This actually really scares me. This bastard is so steeped in his Christian BS, he probably does thinks it doesn't matter what he does, he'll be riding high in heaven. I'll bet he's been reading those moronic "Left Behind" books and thinks it's his job to foment the end of the world. Well, good job Bush, we're on our way.

Obviously, he is a moron. If his family wasn't rich, he would be flipping burgers at a McDonalds in Lubbock. Instead, someone that probably couldn't qualify as a crash test dummy is running the country.

He wrecked the economy. Don't give me this crap that it's somehow Clinton's fault, the economy started to tank when he took over and he hasn't done anything to fix it. Why? Because the people out of work aren't his fat-cat Republican big wigs. They just keep getting bigger and better bonuses, it's working people that are getting screwed, the kind of people that vote Democratic, so why should he care.

Dividend tax cut?!? What the Hell is this supposed to do for the economy? I will argue that anything the government does to "stimulate" the economy is of marginal value to begin with, but don't piss on my head and tell me it's trickle down economics. This is a self-serving tax cut for the rich, plain and simple, and in this economic climate, we can't afford it. This is stupid, stupid, stupid, ass-backwards, stupid policy. This is what happens when you don't have a brain to call your own and rely upon unelected advisors and political toadies. Oh wait, the president himself wasn't really elected.

For someone married to a former teacher, he doesn't seem to know much about improving education. She also seems pretty clueless. I find it surprising that she would want to hold a poetry event at the White House and be surprised when some of the poets harbor anti-war sentiments. Gee, do you think? Where did she go to school, University of Oblivion?

[6000eliot]

132. Bush is a loathsome person

I can't stand looking at that smug smirk on his face. It's clear that he thinks he's superior to everyone else just by looking at him. HATE him!

[Dangerman]

139. Sorry...

But I hate Bush more than life itself! I HATE HIM, I HATE HIM, I HATE HIM!

'nuff said.

[ObaMania]

144. Oh, I can.

Always have and always will. Hope he burns in hell. Along with all the filth that voted for him (which I only dislike an awful lot }( ).

[dennis4868]

145. I HATE ANYONE WHO IS THE CAUSE.......

of the murder of thousands of people for NO GOOD REASON!

[Moderator]

148. I'm locking this thread

reason : Flamebait