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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:13 PM
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Connections between BBV and Fundies?
is this true? Are the guys who own most of the BBV companies RW Fundies?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:13 PM
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1. YEP
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:20 PM
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6. It makes total sense given what a complete plan they have been
working on since the 70's. Does anyone have a link to any info supporting this?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:14 PM
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2. My question is "most" or "all?"
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:16 PM
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3. What? For real?
Where'd you hear this?
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:17 PM
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4. What is BBV? Thanks.
I'm not very good with internet abbreviations. Please tell me what BBV is?
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Mr X Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:18 PM
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5. black box voting (machines)
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:22 PM
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11. Here's all the info you need, and more
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 06:23 PM by Zan_of_Texas
right-wing Republicans, corporate Republicans, dominionist Christians (dangerous!!!!), and yes, even the military are connected to the companies that sell us the voting machines.

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from Lynn Landes' site:
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm

VOTING SYSTEMS ORGS AND COMPANIES
privatizing, monopolizing, & politicizing the voting process... around the world

The voting technology business is dominated by Republican-leaning U.S. and foreign corporations. Today, two Republican-controlled corporations, Election Systems and Software ( ES&S) and Diebold Voting Systems, and a British-based company, Sequoia, control about 80% of the vote count in the U.S.. But many other corporations are also involved in the elections industry (see below). Meanwhile, the long history of election upsets due to voting machine "glitches", that overwhelmingly favor Republican candidates, continues to grow.

LOTS OF DETAIL at the site
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Mr X Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:20 PM
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7. Mike Malloy laid out the whole relationship
on his show last week. I've seen the quotes here on DU, maybe someone will repost?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:20 PM
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8. Ahmanson. Likes to promote creationism state by state, too.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:20 PM
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9. here you go
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:23 PM
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12. Whew.. I thought the poster was claiming bbv.org was run by fundies
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:21 PM
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10. Absolutely true -- and not your regular run of the mill Fundies either
the Christian Reconstructionists.

The person who's done the best work on this issue is Lynn Landes:

http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm

Let me see if I can find the page where she has all the ties laid out.

Oh, here it is under the tab on the above page called "Company Info"
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:27 PM
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14. Excellent links! Thank you! nt
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:23 PM
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13. This Article Will Give You A Start
Voting in the USA: A Tale of Two Brothers

You've heard of the song The Day the Music Died? Well, today is the Day Democracy Died. Actually, that day probably came about 4 years ago, the first time Bush stole the election. Or even earlier, as I will reveal....

Once upon a time there were two brothers: Bob and Todd Urosevich. In the 1980's, with the financial backing of the right-wing extremist Christian billionaire Howard Ahmanson, Bob and Todd founded a company called American Information Systems (AIS) that built voting machines. They were also certified to count votes.

It is interesting to note that back then there was no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry. Even more interesting is the fact that this is still true today. Not even the Federal Election Commission (FEC) has a complete list of all the companies that count votes in U.S. elections.

But let us get back to our story....

In 1992 a conservative Nebraskan fellow called Chuck Hagel became chairman of AIS as well as chairman of the McCarthy Group, a private investment bank. This all happened shortly after he stopped working for Bush Sr.'s administration as Head of the Private Sector Council.

Snip ......

http://www.nightweed.com/3_november_2004.html
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:35 PM
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15. Thx for th info all!!!!
kc
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:41 PM
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16. Why are dems OK with electorate placing our votes on Repub machines
and those votes being counted, without paper trail, by the same heavily republican donating organizations?

IIRC, the 2000 presidential election raised questions which have never been addressed let alone answered.

What gives?

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