Would you support JK in a second presidential run?

[elperromagico]

We've all heard the rumors, I'm sure, that JK is already gearing up for a possible second White House run. Would you support him if he did run again?

[RunningFromCongress]

1. If he gets vocal about this Ohio thing, YES. If not; NO

[Benhurst]

2. I agree.

[kayell]

12. My vote too for that choice.

[underseasurveyor]

26. That's right! He can fight like bloody hell for Nov 2 2004

and no matter what the final outcome of that, then yes. If he's not willing to fight like bloody hell for us and himself now, No Way!

[IdaBriggs]

28. I'm with you. :) nt

[RegexReader]

66. no guts then, no guts now

is the freeper taunt of Kerry. Seems to be right. We need to get someone with some guts to fight like Senator John Edwards to chair the DNC to put some spunk back into the Democratic party.

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[BlueWolff]

92. If he engages in Ohio and Florida yes

OTHERWISE NEVER MORE.....It would prove what a whimp he is...

[demnan]

3. No

I want to win. If he can't beat Bush who could he beat?

[RobbyRoo]

4. Yes, but...

I don't think it'll happen.
The next dem nominee will probably NOT come from the senate or house. And probably WILL come from the south.

[aden_nak]

5. No for two reasons.

1) He needed to help expose the voting "irregularities" and he did nothing of the sort. Even if it wouldn't mean a Kerry victory, he had a unique oppertunity to make the nation aware and he passed on it.

2) We need to stop running Republican Lite candidates and expecting them to win. Clearly, the best we can hope for with Diet GOP is a narrow, one-state toss up victory. I mean, fuck it. If we're going to LOSE, let's LOSE with a real Democrat.

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

6. we need a winner

we need someone with the whole shebang, mass appeal, i like kerry, but we have do think bigger.

[LamedVov]

7. No way

He had his chance. It's time for a new man or woman to carry the banner.

[seraph]

8. No, and here's why.

John Kerry is a brilliant man whom I respect and would have been proud to call "Mr. President".

However, we need a "rock star."

Period.

Just the way I see it.

[ObaMania]

49. and * is a rock star?

.. more like a cock star. No, I would not vote for Kerry again. This is a new era where voting irregularities are the norm and people sit back and say "get over it" and "*" won. The Dems just keep quiet and go with the flow.

Damn, for less money than Carville and those dollar whores got, I could tell Kerry what people really want.

I am totally disallusioned with the party and will probably not vote next time at all because it is just hopeless in these stolen "red" states.

[Emboldened Chimp]

9. Time for someone new....and No More Senators!

We need a governor, and Mark Warner fits the bill.

[txindy]

10. Yes

Absolutely.

[BlueMinded]

11. He was the most unelectable of the candidates.....

I still can't fathom why he won the primary.

[hinachan]

15. The DNC wanted him to

This is why we need new blood at the DNC, in the form of Howard Dean. He'll revitalize the party and get us some new blood.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi BlueMinded!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Killarney]

13. No, and I love him.

I think he's fantastic and I don't hold anything about this election against him.

However, I think that in 2008 we will need a fresh start. Someone that hasn't already been defined.

That's why I say no Kerry, no Gore, no Hillary.

[nine30]

14. Move over Kerry , you 've had your chance

The only reason he won the primaries was because of the perception of 'electability' in the eyes of a bunch of rural voters. Kerry has had his chance, I am sorry he didn't make it, but we need a REAL successor to Bill Clinton. Somebody who acts and talks like him and has appeal to "less sophisticated" voters. Kerry's long convoluted neither yes nor no sentences didn't persuade.

On a side note, I was quite horrified to learn last night that my brother's mother-in-law who lives in PA not far from Philly and voted for Gore in 00, went Bush this year. I just couldn't fathom it. I will have to find out what made her do that.

[Eurobabe]

16. forget it. kerry bored me in the primaries

there is a reason why this guy mortgaged his house in December, pre-Iowa.

We need someone new.

[sangh0]

17. NO doubt

Yes

[genius]

18. If he runs again, I'll help promote an Independent

I'll help find and promote a high-profile personality, such as Jeff Bridges, who can beat both parties. I've never voted for an independent but I'll never trust Kerry again.

[RapidCreek]

19. JK didn't care about my vote this time around...

Fool me once. There aren't going to be any elections anymore anyway....so it's a moot point.

RC

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[Eric J in MN]

48. John Kerry would have been a good president.

Kerry opposed Nixon. I don't know why you're comparing him to Nixon.

[Groucho Marxist]

59. Why

Because Kerry would have eventually got himself in big trouble if he had been elected.

I say this because it's my gut feeling. Kerry's obvious and total lack of consistency (except for his remarkably consistent hatred of the 2nd amendment and guaranteed votes for gun control whenever the opportunity arose) in his positions points to deep problems with his judgement processes, and that would have eventually got his ass in a crack.

The Republicans are right about this aspect of Kerry: He IS totally inconsistent. He HAS flipped on almost EVERY major issue. It's a matter of record. I'm not being insulting, I'm being truthful.

If Kerry was the best candidate we could field this time around, it speaks of deeply troubling problems with the Democratic Party.

Time will pass. Odds are that despite the fears of many, both Democrat and Republican alike, the next four years are likely to be pretty much the same as most other years. And in that time, maybe we can find a candidate that will get maybe 60 or even 70 percent of the next vote? Or maybe the Republicans will?

This is certain: If the Presidential candidate that wins the election does so with a COMMANDING majority of the people, and by that I mean a 60/40 or better split, then he's likely to do well in the eyes of BOTH parties. It's when the election goes nearly 50/50 (like this one) that you run into problems.

I'd rather see the OTHER side's candidate win with a 25 point spread than MY side's candidate win by ONE point. The wider spread clearly indicates a general acceptance of the candidate that will do much to help both parties find common ground and get some good works done.

Just being a hard boiled realist here.

Groucho

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

21. He's a good-hearted, sane, competent person

I would back him against any Republican. Strategically it might be a good idea to run Kerry again. It would show we don't collectively "flip-flop," and the whole Swift Boat crock of ass would be ancient history--like Bush and Cheney's DUIs--by 2008. Rove might not be able to figure out how to re-smear him, especially if he is visible and vocal in the Senate for the next four years.

I do wish he was fighting right now.

[elperromagico]

23. The fact that he's gone completely silent is frustrating,

to say the least.

I don't want to believe he's given up on us, but it damned sure seems that way...

It's like believing in your commander, following him to the front lines, and then seeing him turn around and say, "Oops. We can't win this battle. I'm going back to camp. Good luck."

I hope it's not true.

[ReadTomPaine]

22. Get back to me on January 20th, and I'll have an answer for you.

Until then, I'm withholding my judgment.

RTP

[Eugene]

24. Depends. JK is a good man, but I'll watch who come up for 2008.

:dem:

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

25. Of course!!

I'll support the nominee...No matter who it is!!

[frylock]

27. since i live in a safe blue state, i will be going back to voting..

third party.

[CrispyQ]

50. Me too. Colorado was a semi-swing state this year, but in the future . . .

I'll vote 3rd party. What happened to "I've got your back"?

[LuminousX]

29. If he wins the primaries, of course I'll support him, I'm ASD now

Any Solid Democrat

[Mike L]

30. No

I don't want to ever see his stupid "I voted for the.....before I voted against it" remark again.

[Cuban_Liberal]

32. No, and I won't support Gore, either.

The odium of being a 'loser' is on both of them.

[tritsofme]

33. No, and no more candidates from the Northeast

I really want a Bayh or a Warner to run, because either of those men would win.

[piece sine]

38. Bayh and Warner...Warner and Bayh

We can't lose! I can read the political tea leaves as well as anyone...Kerry's toast.

[misskris10]

34. would have been great to say "president kerry" but

unfortunately this country has too many yokels in it.

we need someone who speaks in short sentences. maybe we should run a "D" student this time...

[seaj11]

45. I hope you're joking. n/t

[Larkspur]

35. Kerry blew his chances when he should have easily beaten Bush

But Kerry is an uncharismatic and arrogant elitest who hasn't a clue that more people voted against Bush than for Kerry.

This Democrat will not support another DLC clown, like Kerry.

[Demobrat]

36. Hard to run on "electability" when you've already lost.

Go away, John. You couldn't beat the worst president in history, and next time you won't have ABB going for you.

[Eloriel]

39. Ahhh, thank heaven for small favors

Of course, in actuality, it looks to me like he won.

However, yours is STILL a good point, esp. since the whole damned Dem Party infrastructure is completely blind to the issue of vote fraud and imagines that they (we) are somehow wrong about who we are. :grr:

[seaj11]

43. The Democratic lawyers are concerned about voter fraud...

and they're working to prevent/uncover it, according to Cam Kerry. They haven't left us.

[Barney Rocks]

37. HELL NO.

I never liked the man--he has a lot of negatives in my book (incapable of getting to the point--stuff like that).

I supported him wholeheartedly against Bush--but if he can't beat Bush--who could he beat? And why should he get a second chance? This was a golden opportunity and he BLEW it. I never ever want to see him face again. Step aside loser and let a WINNER like Dean, or Edwards, or Obama have a chance!

[mmonk]

40. If he is the nominee

[banana republican]

41. NO he quit too early...... n/t

[seaj11]

42. God, these things said

about John Kerry are making me sick! It wasn't Kerry's job to kick Bush in the ass. It was his job to run a good campaign and get elected. I firmly believe that this election was stolen (again). I believe that Gore and Kerry are not losers in any respect. But even if you don't believe that the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen, don't blame Kerry. Remember also that it's not over yet. And plenty of people who were thinking ABB, if they didn't like Kerry, they just didn't vote.

[Demobrat]

52. If it wasn't Kerry's job to kick Bush in the ass

who's job was it? And if his only job was to run a good campaign and get elected, then he failed on both counts, didn't he? And he wants another chance? If Bush wasn't the miserable failure he is Kerry would have been buried in a landslide. If he loves this country he'll go back to tending his mansions and leave the presidential politics to somebody who isn't a political coward.

[seaj11]

58. It was the voters' job

to kick Bush in the ass. And he isn't leaving politics, either, didn't you hear? I'd say a coward wouldn't stick with the party.

[Demobrat]

63. Why the hell not?

The party's taken pretty damn good care of him so far.

[Zhade]

69. Gore fought for 37 days. Where's Kerry?

I'm not passing judgement, I'm asking a simple question - WHERE THE FUCK IS KERRY ON THIS FRAUD???

[Dark]

44. Until he grows a pair and begins calling this sham election what it is,

He can go to hell.

[Demobrat]

56. But...but...it's a time for healing.

Didn't you get the memo?

[orpupilofnature57]

46. Got fu-ked last time waiting for gore,fu-k that let see in two. eom

[DuaneBidoux]

47. See how fast we turn on our leaders? What WE expect from them.

Republicans will vote for a dead horse if it is Republican. They will vote, and revote into office an absolute failure if he is a Republican. They will accept no ethics (as long of course he is a Republican). They will accept death, destruction, lying, cheating, pillage, rape, pollution, etc. etc. etc., but if he is a Republican they will vote for him.

For us, we demand so much of our leaders, or of any leader. It is the biggest single obstacle we have to ever truly holding the reigns of power again.

[Larkspur]

54. Kerry was never my leader

He was the "unpalatable" one (per John Kenneth Galbraith's quote on politics) or commonly called the "lesser of 2 evils".

[Demobrat]

55. Leader? Kerry?

The guy didn't even have a message until he stole Dean's.

[Zhade]

70. I'm not ever voting for a man who turns his back on election fraud.

He has until 12/13 to show me he's not a coward, or worse, by fighting against these goddamned riggable voting machines.

[Mobius]

51. NO Once a candidate loses, hes a loser

in the eyes of those redstates we need to win especially. I know it's a sad truth, but if we want the worlds biggest mommas boy out of office, we cant put Kerry out there again.

[Piperay]

53. NO

he had his shot, someone else should have the chance next time.

[joanne]

57. No

Absolutely NO MORE candidates from the Northeast.

We must have someone next time from the south, midwest or southwest.

Governor Warner's name keeps coming up here, and I think for good reason.

[nine30]

60. Dean was the first to label Kerry a flip flopper

..the repukes just stole that label. Dean also called him the "hand maiden" of special interests.

I was bitterly disappointed and angry as hell the night of Jan 19th after Dean's disappointing loss. Even though I loyally supported Kerry once it was clear he was going to be the nominee, in those days following the Iowa caucuses I couldn't help but wonder "WTF is John Kerry..and whats his message..and what does he stand for ? "

It was especially hard when I had to peel the "Howard Dean for America" sticker off my bumper and replace it with "John Kerry. President." But,,, I have been loyal to both and have made calls and knocked on doors for both.

John Kerry again ? No way. He IS the president of Blue America and will remain so for the next 4 years. But when we go to WAR with the Red States in 2008 we will need somebody who can REALLY defeat them.

[Used and Abused]

72. In our time of need, where is Kerry?

We are all hurting here so badly. It's evident in our posts. But where is John Kerry? Has he surfaced since the premature concession? Yes, but only to say he's considering running in 2008?!? WTF?!

[zeek]

61. Either Dean or a moderate southern democrat would be my pick

[nine30]

62. How about Zell Miller ?

[restorefreedom]

73. thanks nine30

I needed a good chuckle.

[nine30]

83. welcome !

[killbotfactory]

64. No.

He lost to the worst president in history. Now we have four years of republican domination in politics. No do-overs.

The first democrat who lost to Bush endorsed Dean for a reason.

[AgadorSparticus]

65. depends on what he does with this run. if he is packing his bags up

without a fight, then he can kiss my ass. i'm giving him through december to get his shit together and prove that he is every bit the fighter i worked and voted for.

[restorefreedom]

67. too bad there wasn't a "hell no" category

he sold us up the river for his own political future.

screw him - he's not out for us, just for himself.

[Francine Frensky]

68. Hey! I voted yes for Kerry but it wasn't counted!!!!

what kind of a scam are you running here?

[flaminbats]

71. I thought the third choice would be most popular..

Democrats who pick yes are only interested in other primary candidates. Only a freeper could support a Republican over Kerry..

[GodHelpUsAll2]

74. Not only no

but HELL NO! I didn't "support" him this go around. I wanted Bush out bad enough that I worked very hard for that, so Kerry benefited from my deep disgust with Bush. I predicted this back in the the primaries and now it's come to light. Kerry never did a damn thing to try and "unite" even the dems, who he had to know a portion of which wern't too keen on him being the candidate. If he can't get his own party together how the hell does he expect to get the rest of the country on board. He took for granted that the democratic base would welcome him and throw flowers at his feet. He took us for granted. Well, someone else we know made a prediction like that and that situation also went terribly wrong.

[MadMichDem]

75. Here's a new perspective about Kerry and election fraud

I've never added a link before. Hope this works.

"Flash forward to today. Following the election, there was a problem apparent. The exit polling didn't match the ballot count, and many reasons for that began to become apparent.

John Kerry was faced with three options. One, fight on publicly rather than conceding and put the nation into a media frenzied limbo. Two, concede and go on with his life, turning his back on his promise to his supporters to ensure that “every vote will be counted.”

Most people are assuming that John Kerry opted for the second of these while John Edwards, his runningmate, opted for the first, and since Kerry was the big dog, he won out. But people who think this are thinking in Bush terms, all or nothing, either you are for the war or against it, that either Senator Kerry was for recounting the votes or he was against it.

The reality is, John Kerry has chosen a third, much smarter course – just as he said he would all along."

The rest is at:

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm

[GodHelpUsAll2]

76. Nothing new about this

it's posted about a bazillion times. A letter from Kerry's birther. An attorney that no one can seem to verify even exists.

[MadMichDem]

81. GodHelpUs, did you read the whole article?

or just assume it was only the letter from Cam Kerry? It's a theory that I haven't seen on DU yet and thought might be interesting to those who think Kerry's a wuss.

I would gladly vote for Kerry again!

[Skip Intro]

77. YES

[Hubert Flottz]

78. I would if it's in the next six months!

After that I'd go AWOL too!

[Crewleader]

84. I don't blame ya Hubert!

AWOL has been the Democratic Heads of our Party...watching the DNC speak of the red states verses the blue states and how Donna Brazille says that Karl Rove being a genius made me want to puke...instead of seeing and opening their eyes to the fact of voters' fraud is real, no instead asking themselves what can make us stronger as a party bringing in more people. We are a strong party with people from all walks of life, we need stronger leadership then what we have representing us...this election was stolen and if they don't wake up to that fact there will be no one left to support, participate or contribute to the Democratic Party and whatever future candidates they get no one will bother because it's out of our hands and our votes don't count!

Hubert, six months is enough time to give them...I hope it's sooner friend! They better do something about this or they will be a losing party for a longtime with touch screening and no paper trail.

Good seeing you! :hi:

[Hubert Flottz]

86. Good seeing you too Crew!

What you've said is exactly right! People who stand by and watch, even go along with the things we've seen over the past four years are the immoral ones! The American nightmare has replaced the American dream and the best our leaders can do is hide out or run away!

[Ronnie]

79. Wow! Tough crowd.

I would gladly support him again:the calls, the canvassing,the getting the signs scraped off my car and filling out the police report. Everything.

[mtnsnake]

80. No! He had too much trouble explaining himself to the American people

and it cost him dearly.

[raysr]

85. No, he never attacked the

fucking bush. He let them shit all over him. He let O"Neill shit on him for 34 years!!

[lovuian]

82. I'll support a Anti War candidate who didn't vote for this War

:nuke: it scares me

[in_cog_ni_to]

87. Only if I find out he's been investigating Voter Fraud.

If he's just been in hiding, doing nothing. Hell no.

[oc2002]

88. no guts no glory Kerry,,,,no way.

[Nlighten1]

89. Screw Kerry.

Flame away but he has just plain dropped the ball on this electronic voting machine issue.

If he doesn't fight now I have no reason to believe he will fight in 2008 if there is another election theft.

[lefthandedskyhook]

90. Still supporting him in [i]this[/i] election

I refuse to give up all hope until the investigation solidifies and the electoral votes are cast.

[Strawman]

91. No. That loser label is hard to shed no matter how superficial it is

Nixon did it, but you had Wallace in the race as a wildcard draining votes that were traditionally Democratic. Nixon's single-minded maniacial lust for power probably made him uniquely able to achieve his goal despite the circumstances also.