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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:49 AM
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Real Conservative Values - MyDD
http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/11/7/225210/807

"To all of this I say hogwash. George Bush is a self-proclaimed conservative. In this election, 84% of those people who identify as conservatives voted for George Bush, thereby endorsing his policies. I say, and my Catholic upbringing says, that your actions are your beliefs, and there is no difference between the two. Considering this, it is time to face some facts:

* Real conservatives value fiscal insolvency, including irresponsible tax cuts, corporate giveaways, massive spending increases, huge undisclosed pork-barrel spending projects hammered out during congressional conference, rather than actual budget legislation on the Congressional floor that is open to the public and recorded in the public record. You know that conservatives value these things, because these are the things the vast majority of self-proclaimed conservatives do.

* Real conservatives do not value your personal liberties. They like disenfranchising voters, challenging voters, and making it more difficult to vote. They like it when the government is in your bedroom. They want to be able to spy on your personal files. They do not respect your right to privacy. They like to tell you who you can and cannot love, and what you can and cannot do to your own body. You know these are conservative values, because conservatives regularly pass laws of this nature.

* Real conservatives like to recklessly use the military They love war, and regularly resort to it as one of their first choices. They have no respect for the lives their policies destroy, as long as they have more bases overseas. They derive their values from violence, and detest peace. They will come up with any excuse possible, and cynically invent several more, to use force whenever possible, wherever possible. You know these are conservative values, because these are the actions conservatives take.

Real conservatives are bloodthirsty, reckless with our tax money, and want to tell you how to live your life. They are intolerant, warmongering and irresponsible. You know these are real conservatives values, because you can find anyone's beliefs in what they do, not what they say."

Make Conservative a negative in the same way they have made liberal a negative.
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Dissent Is Patriotic Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:52 AM
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1. Excellent.
Yes if we speak of conservative as the negative that it is, we will have the opportunity to hammer these points home to anyone who asks, "why are you saying conservative like its a bad thing?". e
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:56 AM
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2. I'm on board with you Cassandra
a very nice post indeed.

Prior to the election I was engaged by several "real" conservatives who were upset because right wingers had taken over their party and the "real" conservatives didn't like the broad brush approach to labeling. I said tough. Take you party back.

Also conservatives here in Mississippi get welfare checks and food stamps and drink beer and have sex with their children and they voted in droves for george bush. I guess they'll head to church when the evil liberal social programs dry up.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:24 AM
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5. Didn't know that Mississippi...
was so much "fun".
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:12 AM
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3. Good post
and even here we have too many mealy-mouthed "moderates" who are neo-cons who haven't figured out that they are republicans. They need to get a clue.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:18 AM
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4. Agreed
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 09:19 AM by ThomCat
I'm often telling people, "I don't care what ideals you say you support. Look at what you are actually supporting. Look at the actual results you are responsible for."

So many people don't get it. They are responsible for Bush's policies because they make them possible.

Especially a whole lot of fundamentalist christians who go on an on about christian values but then support some of the most hateful, devicive and facist policies we've ever seen.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:09 AM
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7. I know someone...
who considers himself a social liberal and a fiscal conservative and was ardently pro-Bush. Go figure.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:46 AM
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6. ::KICK::
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:13 AM
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8. Real Conservatives like to live of the public teat
by taking more than their fair share of taxes from good, honest, law abiding families. They hire accountants to find the loopholes and live in areas that take more than they give.
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