Islamo-Fascists

[sandnsea]

Anybody just hear that on CNN? They've apparently seen Christo-Fascist and want to head that terminology off before it takes hold. Hmmm.

How can people with no control over any government be fascists?

[Cooley Hurd]

1. They can't...

That's why the term is irrelevant...:thumbsup:

[ck4829]

2. Who said it?

[thecrow]

10. the rethig on american morning, was it?

I didn't catch his name; I was getting ready for work and didn't have my glasses on. He had a beard. He's been on before recently

[sandnsea]

16. That Cliff guy I think

He's a real neocon type. Spinning that Ashcroft saved our lives, broke up terrorist groups, bla bla bla. It was absolutely ridiculous.

[Trajan]

3. You are exactly right ...

Fascism, by it's very nature, is based on state AND/OR corporate power .... Anti-government forces cannot be 'fascist' until they control the organs of government ....

[ProdigalJunkMail]

4. to answer

you can be a fascist with DESIRE to control the government. Some of the Bush crowd, five years ago were still fascists...

theProdigal

[sandnsea]

15. I suppose that's true

A person can have a fascist philosophy. I don't think that's what Islamic extremism is all about though. They always use the exact same words that describe their actions, so that when those words are used against them the words have no power.

[ispeculate]

23. Just say no to fascism

I just bought a book called "just say no to fascism" last night after hearing about it on Randi Rhodes talk radio show. It's listed as a fable but looks like it has alot of facts and practical advice on how to stop supporting the demise of freedom in this country.

[RivetJoint]

5. So Hitler wasn't a fascist

UNTIL he became Chancellor?

[thecrow]

6. YES! You beat me to it.

I heard it just a moment ago. It seems to be a new buzz word for them.

[RivetJoint]

7. People have been using it for well over a year now

It's not new

[bunkerbuster1]

17. I've been hearing it for more than three years, myself.

And FWIW, I once read a Stanley Crouch review of Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing," where he referred to Spike as an "Afro-fascist." ~15 years ago.

[sandnsea]

20. Which has what to do with what?

Focus. Islamo-fascist used by the neocons, NOW. So that when we use the term fascist correctly to describe them, we'll be hyperbolic terrorist sympathizers. Has absolutely nothing to do with afro-fascist 15 years ago.

[Eurobabe]

8. Christopher Hitchens said it.

Weeks ago. CNN is just trying to be cool.

Warning, this site is pretty wacky!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15346

[MadHound]

9. Just one more example of the main stream media

Adapting the stance and language of the extreme right wing. This term is straight from the Freeper boards, and they use this term broadly, not only including actual Muslims with it(any and all Muslims), but also anybody who is anti-war, or even just a Democrat.

Just another example of how "liberal" the main stream media is.

[meegbear]

11. The only person I know of who uses that is michelle malken ...

looks like the Conservative News Network is getting it's doublespeak in order.

The Journo-Fascists.

[rooboy]

12. Right wingers have been using the term Islamo-Fascist for some time.

Although I don't understand how they can merge state and corporate interests considering most of them have neither the states nor the corporations to merge.

[belle]

13. Well, there ARE Islamo-fascists. Bin Laden, for example. (who??)

Of course, the fact that Iraq didn't USED to be run by such (tyrannical third-world despot, yes, Islam fanatic, no) doesn't matter much now, does it...

[H2O Man]

14. Thank you for raising

an important topic for discussion. Even here on DU, and I think this thread includes evidence of this, a large percentage of the people who tosh that word - fascist- about for effect ....seem to have little or no idea what it actually is. There are many bad, hostile, aggressive, destructive, and evil systems .... but they are not all fascist.

For example, a poster asks about Adolf Heatlump .... was he a fascist before he took power .... which demonstrates that the poster does not know exactly what the word means.

[sam sarrha]

18. stupid term..Moslem's aren't the Fascist types,Totalitarian obviously

but fascist relates to the association with Government and business interests..and belligerent nationalism toward the disenfranchised who complain about being ripped off and being slaves.. like the USA.

Islam is presently structured in several factions vying for power.
Each faction has history back to the origin of the religion..

each faction has a power at the top and controls down the pipeline the interpretations of the doctrine to the 'faithful'. Survival itself is often essential to "absolute" adherence to the Leadership more than the actual practace... if one were to be excommunicated from a mosque and cast out.. say in Pakistan etc.. one may not last long outside the citadel of the Mosque's protection.

Islam is probably more Feudal than Fascist..to say they are fascist is a thinly veiled attempt to draw the heat from our own system.

Islam never had a Reformation nor did it ever have an 'Age of Reason', Reason apparently is basically not a factor in the religion.. practitioners for the most part appear to do what they are told.

[sam sarrha]

19. don't fall into the GOP Propaganda trap of redefining essential terms..!!!

Fascism is the association of a belligerent right wing Government and Business Interests..

Fascism is EXACTLY what we have here in the USA..and since we are scheduled to get a shit load more .. they want to redefine the word FASCIST.

so we cant complain about it..

DON'T LET THEM REDEFINE WORDS...

They already redefined and demonetize the word "Liberal"

they redefined enough Polluting elements to actually have cleaned up the Environment 75% since 1974 with the stroke of a PEN.

[sandnsea]

21. Exactly why I posted it n/t

[Forkboy]

22. It's the favorite term of a DUer in I/P

He uses it all the time.

Go figure :shrug:

[Kazak]

24. Michael Savage...

has been using that term for months...not that I listen to him or anything. :eyes: