Anyone else thinking of moving?

[SOL]

I am tired of this administration and its far right-wing agenda. Europe had it right when it said "How can 59M people be so dumb." Kerry would have done so much to help people out and repair our international reputation. But no, instead all we hear is screams of re-distribution of wealth. Don't these fat cats have enough?

I am seriously considering Canada, much more civilized up there.

[DianeG5385]

1. I'm sticking right here and fighting!

I want my country back!

[Anarcho-Socialist]

2. I don't blame you for wanting to do that

It has crossed my mind. I'm going stick things out for some years longer, possibly we might get the country back. If we're not able to retrieve the U.S.A. from this madness, then I'll be at Canadian Immigration's door.

[SOL]

7. But how long

I understand your wanting to wait it out, but how long do we wait? This country continues to move in the wrong direction. Do we really want to bring our kids up in this? What happens in 10 years if things don't change? We may not be allowed to leave.

[Clark2008]

13. I know... I'm torn

I'm of a certain age where 10 years can mean getting a job and not getting one. I have a small child in Kindergarten. I have no child support (long story - I may get it someday, but I'm not banking on it - and we were MARRIED... Yeah... family values)
But, I'm tired of searching for jobs that don't pan out or pay less than the measley amount I'm getting paid now.
I'm tired of cutting every corner. I just dropped my own health insurance (little guy is on private and get this - CHEAPER - insurance than I have at work because I have him on a student HMO).
BUT... this is America.
Reform the media.
Take back the country.
Fight like hell.

I'm seriously NOT a flight person.

I've learned that about myself.

[SOL]

23. Reasons for move to Canada

1- universal healthcare
2- gay marriage (I'm not gay just supporting all rights)
3- stricter gun control
4- they make the rich pay their fair share
5- environmentally conscious
6- respected internationally
7- LIBERAL GOVERNMENT
8- they have the better side of the falls :)

[LosinIt]

3. I am considering moving to Ontario, near Kingston

along the St. Lawrence River. I am originally from the NY side of the river. I work for a company in Rochester right now. I am working from home for the rest of the week because my back is screwed up. If I can prove that I can be as productive working from home as I am in the office, maybe they would let me work from there. We have offices in Quebec and Mississagua.

[Gelliebeans]

4. nope

I'm gonna stay and fight till my last breath, besides the republicans aren't gonna muscle me out of my country without a fight.:mad:

[Name removed]

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[Gelliebeans]

9. where in my post did you see "retake"

[GregD]

19. Bull F'ing Shit

Now just wait a minute.

The loss of millions of jobs is documented. Bush lost jobs on his watch. Period.

And as for scaring people, WTF have you been smoking. Let's start with Cheney and his "Vote for the Dems and you will get hit again." This is not scare tactics?

Asshole

[saracat]

25. He isn't one of us. Wink .Wink Nudge. Nudge.

Don't argue .Take action!

[TaleWgnDg]

39. LOL . . . "wink, wink, nudge, nudge"

[saracat]

20. You are on the wrong board aren't you? The "appeasement quote is a winner!

How obvious can you get?

"They are being told millions are losing jobs, but they aren't feeling it or seeing it, they are being told that a reckless foreign policy will make us victims of endless terrorism, when so far the only foreign policy that had us victimized on our own soil is the appeasement strategy and it's the war mongering strategy that has kept terrorist attacks from occurring. The dems tried to scare voters"

Time for you to go home!

[Pachamama]

45. Duh - where he go?

Bye bye Pandaren....See you in Hell....George W. Bush's America...let's see what you are saying in a few years from now when you are unemployed, no health insurance, you or your kid is drafted off to War, inflation abound and the Gov't is telling you what you can and can't do. And if you think that the liberals are so bad and you want to get rid of everything we stand for, then I guess you won't mind not having Social Security some day, since that program is going to be no longer around thanks to "W".

:hi: bye

[2Design]

5. remember 40 million eligible voters did NOT vote

[TaleWgnDg]

6. On a lighter note . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04485.html

[politicat]

11. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Your Majesty! Paging Queen Elizabeth! Paul Martin, please pick up the white courtesy telephone!

We're well stocked with businesses, natural resources, and ports.... What more could you want?

Pcat

[Gelliebeans]

12. lol

I have to laugh everytime I see that

[TaleWgnDg]

10. another lighter note . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .


http://mena.typepad.com/dollarshort/2004/11/canada_20.html


(this map has cut-out too much of California; after all, Cal-ee-foh-nee-ah is the fifth largest economy on the planet, we claim all of it!!)

[puttothesword]

17. If I was Canadian...

I sure wouldn't want Americans running for the border.

Can't we just cut the place up like: http://www.cafepress.com/secessionnow

Seems to make the most sense to me.

[Name removed]

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[saracat]

34. I don't want to live in a country where other peoples values

are imposed on me and I have no respect for the people who would vote for such an incompetant piece of filth as Bush.He will never be my president. There can be no valid reason for any decent person to vote for Bush. A bush voter can only be stupid or evil. Which are you?

[vajraroshana]

15. Thought of it then nixed it

I'm in a red state and I've been dealing with it all my life.

And I've only made things better for everyone.

I'm not going to quit or give up.

Though I may be taking a break.

[Davion]

16. I'd love NOT to move

But as a gay man, who's partner is from Ireland (and therefor inelligible for a "family" green card), I have no choice.....

The worst part is, that when I do move, I am gonna get blamed for all of the idiots who voted for the man I loathe!

I hate irony.

[Name removed]

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[Gelliebeans]

24. somebody smell a stinky troll?

[Pallas180]

27. or mole?

.

[Gelliebeans]

30. well whatever it is

last one in forgot to shut the door now I have to find the raid:eyes:

[Davion]

47. I wish there was a "freepers allowed" forum

and a similar DUer one on the other side. I understand not allowing them amongst the regular folk, but while I was waking up (so to speak) all of my threads over there would be deleted because I didn't spew the talking points. I don't want discruption everywhere else, but SOME opposition can be, dare I say, enlightening. I'm sure there are some who really have questions (previous fool not included), who are wavering, and some real dialog might sway them.

Validation is fine, and when I want it, I can listen to AAR (or two years ago, to Fox News), but sometimes debate with the other side can yield results. That's how I got here... Being called on the carpet on three (non-gay) issues:

1. The estate tax (which when explained makes no sense to 98% of Americans)
2. The drug war
3. John Ashcroft and his fear of marble breasts.

It would be mostly trolls, but when issues are really debated, we shouldn't be scared, in fact we should run towards the chance.

But maybe that's just me ;)

[Davion]

28. Well, what should I do?

Maybe help invade countries that had nothing to do with 9/11, oh wait, they might "ask" or I might "tell"?

How about fighting to reduce my boss' tax burden? Great to have sacrifice in a time of war (unless it hurts the P/E ratio)!

Or maybe watch my friends who lost their health insurance die from AIDS, because the drug companies have a buddy in the oval office who cares more about them than Jesus!

Fuck you. I voted for Bush in 2000, and all I got was this lousy one-way ticket to "Old Europe".

And people think I'm a troll.

[Gelliebeans]

32. i wasn't posting to you Davion

i replied to your post regarding my friends in the uk

[Davion]

42. Sorry

If my reposnse was aimed at you, it wasn't meant to.... New to this site... used to the Freeper "looks like it was designed by a tired third grader" one!

:)

[Gelliebeans]

43. thats quite understandable

good luck to you

[Still_Notafraid]

35. ha ha

Then tell me Repub what plans does he have to make things better,have you seen the Dollar lately?

I know his plans lets see if you do.

[Gelliebeans]

21. best of luck to you

if you have to move and keep your chin up in spite of it all. I have friends I visit in the UK and they give me crap all the time for * even though they know I am a DEM.

[TaleWgnDg]

22. Come to Massachusetts . . .

Where there are laws to protect homosexuals and their children . . .


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=113&topic_id=12610&mesg_id=12610

edited to add:
Check out the overview of marriage laws in Massachusetts at those two hyperlinks at the bottom of that DU thread webpage . . . also Massachusetts has state laws on its books that do not allow discrimination against homosexuals, in the workplace, hiring, firing, promotions, and in real estate rentals, leases, buying, selling as well as in public accommodations. Massachusetts treats its citizens as equals -- all its citizens.

Also, Massachusetts doesn't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in family law . . . no discrimination in divorce laws, separations, child custody, adoption, guardianship, etc. homosexuals are equal u/ Massachusetts laws, period.

[Pallas180]

29. ;how long will those laws last now?

.

[TaleWgnDg]

37. How "long will the laws" that I enumerated above stand as law?

ummmmmm, the liberty and equality protections are in the Massachusetts state constitution. Therefore, unless an amendment is added to the Massachusetts constitution expressly prohibiting granting homosexual rights, then these laws will stand as constitutional in Massachusetts.

Changes in our constitution are not taken lightly. We have the first constitution on the planet which was written by John Adams. It was authored prior to our federal constitution. Most of our federal constitution mirrors much of the Massachusetts constitution.

In order to change our MA con, it takes two different and separate legislative sessions (two years, running) with both houses, the MA senate and the MA house, agreeing on the absolute same language (for two years running), then it goes on the ballot for the people to vote upon. It takes several years to read, debate, and cool off about . . . it works.

There will be no addition to the MA con about prohibition of same sex marriage in Massachusetts. I can almost guarantee it.

Folks are saying that there's been no change as their next-door neighbors marry and their kids now have married parents.

[Davion]

31. To bad Clinton signed DOMA

Meaning even if we marry there....

NO GREEN CARD FOR YOU!



:mad:

[Midnight Rambler]

26. unfortunately

I'm stuck in Texas until I graduate from college, which is gonna be at least another two semesters (on the plus-side, I do live in Austin, so blue it hurts). once I get that degree though, all bets are off.

Don't think I'll be headed to Canada though. Way too cold for my tastes. I'll probably have to take sanctuary in either Mexico or Europe. I wanna stick it out as long as I can though. Fight the good fight and all that.

[Name removed]

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[Still_Notafraid]

36. Like Rome didn't?

what part of anti war, pro soft power,pro Diplomacy only attack when attacked or threatened do you not under stand.

[saracat]

38. You never answered.

Are you evil or stupid or both? Those are the only choices for Bush voters! And you have it wrong! You guys would love Atilla. Look what you are doing to Iraq! Fun and games yes? So when did Iraq attack us? Hmmmm? Oh! thats right , they could have, if only they had some WMD's! Answer the question, Troll.

[Zorra]

40. I already live outside the country but am moving farther away.

I know a place where republicans are not welcome and I am moving there. I want to be as far away from republicans and their fascism as I can, and be totally beyond their police state control.

I guess it is possible that Bu$h could invade any country I move to but I think I will be safe from him and his gestapo for awhile anyway.

[Robeson]

41. If we could afford it, my wife and I would be gone tomorrow.

[Skittles]

44. I won't allow these neocon bastards to drive me out of my own country

I WON'T.

[conflictgirl]

46. Yes, we are

My husband and I visited friends in Ottawa this summer, and said that if Bush got re-elected, we'd think about moving there. Already there's so much shit going down - like that guy in Hawaii who's been out of the Army for 13 years getting deployment orders?? - that we think we see the writing on the wall.

I'm torn between wanting to stay and fight, and wanting to get out before Kristallnacht. Sometimes it almost feels like a matter of life and death. :( We don't have anywhere close to enough money now, but we've made it a priority to start saving as much as possible - and we're brushing up on our French, to give us an advantage, since bilingualism is almost a requirement in most of Ottawa.

[TaleWgnDg]

49. All kidding aside (w/ those maps I placed in the thread) . . .

one thing that needs to be said. The so-called neo-conservative movement in America today including the Jesus-freaks are out of the mainstream. I'll repeat that: they are out of mainstream thinking. Only they may think that they are not because they occupy the White House and control much of the congress.

However, they are in the minority in the larger picture of the world. Nobody agrees with their hairbrained behaviors, their crazy shit nationally or internationally. They are isolated. Very isolated. They are isolated geographically by two oceans and a southern border which is only one-way (north) . . . and they are isolated culturally. They are out of step with not only the 21st century but with the past 20th century.

Their politics beneath all the camoflagued rhetoric to appease this or that political faction is of the late 1800 w/ intentions to reverse the legal clock back to that time of "robber barons." However, most, if not all, the lower classes that voted for GWBush haven't a clue as to his agenda nor his intent. They are ignorant in their isolation.

They will pass. This has happened before in our history at short intervals. It's nothing new. And it will pass. And quickly too.

[firebee]

48. I don't lose

I've lived in the Northwest my whole life and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some bible thumpin neo-conformist bigot chase me out of my home. Of course... I live in Oregon, so I'm still somewhere between reality and the fourth dimension of hell. Instead of moving to Canada... move to a Blue State.

as the 2nd amendment states....
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State; the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice that "State" is capitalized. Maybe it's time to start forming local militias as a deterrent to our federal shadow government. We wouldn't have to declare war, but the presence would probably put the GOP on notice. To make it legitimate... we could organize local militias through the police departments, so local law enforcement doesn't feel threatened. We do have a right to defend ourselves from an oppressive federal government.

[ever_green]

50. I'm not ruling it out....

I'm about fed up too. The future just does not look bright.

[NurseLefty]

51. It tears at my heart when friends say, "Don't go, we need you!"

But I have decided that I am moving to Canada.
I have strong beliefs about this but I don't think I'm helping anyone by sharing them with you.
I gotta do what I gotta do...
:-(

[bushi]

52. MAY BE GOOD

ashcroft leaving is a good sign...i am a c studnet too,
because im lazy, but i have potential if molded properly  
perhaps he has it in his heart ( ihope)  to do good  the right
is wrong and overzealous but perhaps the position of leader
can make the man.....in a way im feeling gw, even htough i
disagree with his views and abhor his ignoraance.....the
position empowers and eventually he will find the right
path...i could hope to be like him......the position not
person........he can play the game, cant he 

[The Minus World]

53. Stay

In the natural ebb and flow of things, matters may become much worse before they can get better; however, to run as a matter of principle is to be unaccepting of the pain we must all endure before we can feel at ease again.

If you, or anyone in your family, is posed with an immediate threat to safety or health, then, by all means, run to higher ground. But, if you're fit and mentally healthy enough to fight for what you believe in, then America still needs you.