In five words or less, describe the Democratic position on gays

[0rganism]

Can you do it?

[Robert Oak]

1. whatever gets us elected

so much for principle...
time to buy a Hummer.

[Davion]

15. Despite that, there's a REASON I changed sides...

http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?id=14285&sd=11/05/04

[AlexHamilton]

2. Yes...

Why should you care?

Alex
Impeachment by the People

[American liberal]

3. Tolerance, civil rights for GLBT

[American liberal]

6. Oh, you said DEMOCRATIC position

Well, Tolerance, civil rights for GLBT is MY position in 5 words or less, and I have voted Democrat for as long as I have been able to vote (about 20 years).

[imaginary girl]

4. I can do it in 4

None of our business!

[trevize1138]

62. We hate fags less! (N/T)

[Mr_Spock]

70. Gay? OK! Now Go Away!

lol :D

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Live and let live

[Syrinx]

13. I like your philosopy

I thought that was the philosophy of the Republican party. Hmm. Get the government off my back. Hmm.

[Davion]

7. Just be yourselves, fuck Falwell!

[NAO]

8. None of your damn business...not a legitimate issue...equal rights for all

how's that? I can keep going.

Equal Rights for All

Mind Your Own Business

Why do you care?

Focus on Economy, Jobs.

Don't Regulate Personal Choice

You opposed civil rights, remember?

Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness

[uhhuh]

9. Equality and dignity for everyone

[BernieBear]

18. Equality and dignity for all

[MatrixEscape]

10. Okay

To each his own ...

(A political party is not a religion)

[Must_B_Free]

11. Do unto others...

[Robert Oak]

12. seriously: Dignity for all Americans n/t

[VivaKerry]

14. They happen to be people. n/t

*

[DianeG5385]

16. All men are created equal

Therefore, I will not support discrimination. Men meaning all human beings.

[American liberal]

17. perfect. All men are created equal

A quote that the civil rights movement took a long way from when it was originally conceived.

Beautiful, Diane.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

19. Equal Right for All

We should never waver from that point.

[asthmaticeog]

20. OK but not OK, OK?

[Still_Notafraid]

21. No second class citizens n/t

[GingerSnaps]

29. What do you mean?

:shrug:

[juliagoolia]

22. Howdy Neighbor eom

[Gore1FL]

23. Live your own life

n/t

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

25. Cowardly

[drdtroit]

26. Let Them Live Their Lives!

There you go, five words exactly.
And it sports a palindromic acronym.

[aprillcm]

37. Live and Let Live :)

I liked yours "None of our business" works to LOL

[BernieBear]

68. Yeah those repugs love palindromic acronyms -LOLOLOLO

[0rganism]

27. The republicans have it much easier, apparently.

Here's the republican position in a nutshell.

"Homosexuality: a disgusting contagious disease."

This is basically it. Everything else, the gay marriage bans, the motions to prevent gays from becoming teachers, religious racial minorities who take offense at the notion of GLBT equality as a serious civil rights movement, it all follows from this superliminal conservative concept of homosexuality as perverted abomination avoidable through devout religion and proper hygiene.

While a lot of what was said above is decent, honorable, and respectful, there are generally two problems with the many variations on "live and let live" or "none of your beeswax".

1) They don't speak to the concerns of a majority of Americans, who are constantly hearing from the republicans that homosexuality is dangerous insanity with an agenda of corruption and pedophilia.

2) They don't actively correct the persecution of homosexuals, who are denied equality in their relationships, treated as second-class citizens, abused and reviled by people who would otherwise be their peers.

The neutral "centrist" position is fundamentally unsatisfying to both the religious and the GLBTs.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. What do YOU think the position should be?

I see many good 5-word positions here. Do you have one?

[0rganism]

55. Notice, I'm not asking what it SHOULD be. I'm asking what it IS.

> What do YOU think the position should be?

To answer your question, here's something close to what I think the position should be: "All minorities receive equal protection."

As to what it actually is? Hell, I don't know. Some Democratic leaders support true procedural equality, some Democratic leaders support civil unions in lieu of marriage to be less offensive to certain constituencies, some Democratic leaders think homosexuality is an abomination just like Moses says it is. I would say the current predominant version is much closer to Robert Oak's: "Whatever gets us elected."

[bling bling]

28. Homosexuality: Not A Moral Issue

The only moral issue that should or even can be addressed on this topic is the "hatred" permeating our society by ignorant and naive humans.

It is morally wrong to spread hatred.
It is morally wrong to act on that hatred.

Homosexuality itself is not a moral qualifier, just as being a woman or hispanic cannot be measured in moral terms.

[Carolab]

30. We are all God's children

By the way, that thing about gayness being an "abomination" is so Old Testament

[democratreformed]

52. I like this one!! n/t

[SoCalDem]

31. Gays don't take YOUR rights

:)

[LiberteToujours]

32. Mary Cheney is a hugefuckingbitch

Have I mentioned how much I hate her?

[Jack_DeLeon]

33. "Gays, What Gays?"

well thats my attempt.

I read in another post somewhere that gays were not mentioned at all in the offical platform.

With the clobbering we got on the gay marriage issue, I think the title of my post will be the our position in the future aswell.

[Politicub]

34. There isn't one opinion

This is a difficult exercise for democrats, because we're a party made of many diverse coalitions. However, I would like it to be:

Equality for every American.

[aprillcm]

35. They Are Human Beings To

[CornField]

38. Same as religion -- Our rights as Americans do not depend on approval..

from others. We have those rights because we are Americans.

[sleipnir]

39. "We can win without them"

Whoops....sorry there DNC, looks like your position failed this election.

I really feel that the DNC tried to win the election by just ignoring gays and damn did it backfire on them big time.

[hiphopnation]

40. Sexual Preference; not my business.

[lil-petunia]

41. I'll use two.

Hi. Welcome!

[Strawman]

42. Stop being mean to them

Even if you believe in a God, let your God judge them and get on with your fucking lives. That's his/her job, not yours. Gay people are not hurting you in anyway, so leave them alone. Your God probably also tells you to not be such a dick to others. Put yourself in their shoes. How would you like to be picked on your entire life because of the way you were born? How would you like it if you couldn't visit your dying spouse in the hospital or lost your house and joint property when he or she died? Think about the roots of your negative feelings toward gays (hatred, ignorance, fear, and taking pleasure in putting someone else down and having a whipping boy) and what side of yourself you're indulging when you act on them.

[Politicub]

43. Fairies' rainbows light the world

done.

(don't get mad... i'm gay, too. I'm just playin')

[Politicub]

44. Gays?! What gays? :crickets:

At least that seemed to be the position by the DNC establishment circa 2004.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. Republicans will "final solution" gays. (nt)

[DebJ]

46. Civil Rights for all Americans

[democratreformed]

47. Each person is an individual

[Kipepeo]

48. No Government in my Bedroom

or:

Equal Rights for All Americans

[Love Bug]

49. Gays are people too!

Ok, I said it in 4!

HUG = Human Unafraid of Gays

[sweetheart]

50. "We hold these truths self-evident"....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Fortunately the framers could read more than 5 words.

[booley]

51. WE ARE ALL EQUAL..PERIOD

there, you got five.

admittedly the dems have not always been very good at promoting this ideal. But it is an ideal they hold

[DainBramaged]

53. Live and let live

[LeftHander]

54. It's okay to be gay...

that's it...

[Terran]

56. Most of you are giving your own position, not the Party's

I don't know what the platform says, if anything, about GLBT issues, but John Kerry did NOT advocate equal rights for us because he is opposed to same-sex marriage. Now while I get that he had to say that to have a prayer of winning, it cannot be said that the Party, through its candidate, advocates equal rights for gays and Lesbians. Fairness, maybe, but not equality.

[obreaslan]

57. Sure,"You Must Be Fucking Kidding!"

Or, translated as...

HOW IS THIS AN ISSUE!?!?!?!?!?!

[JudyM]

58. Infidelity threatens marriage; gays don't

[Taverner]

59. can you say box of worms?

I knew you could.

I don't think there is a party platform addressing this, outside of the platform against discriminiation.

Personally, I hope TO GOD that the Dems don't drop gay marriage or civil unions as an issues...

[CO Liberal]

60. Gays Are People, Too

:-)

This is the DU member still known as CO Liberal.

[Dark]

61. Vote democratic and keep quiet.

[ReadTomPaine]

67. Ouch! But true for establishment Dems. Also - "Don't ask, don't tell"

[mitchum]

63. Yes, no, maybe

[TexasSissy]

64. There is no one position.

[MissMarple]

65. Sexual orientation is ...personal.

Now, about all this PDA, we definitely need to have a talk about this.

:grouphug:

[fob]

66. Separation of Church and State

[Jack Schitt]

69. Fully support their rights.

There's no other way. We're a party that wants rights for all. If we give that up, we're no better than the 'pukes.

[Mr_Spock]

71. Gay? OK! Now Go Away!

:D

[DrWeird]

72. Forced sodomy for every body.

nt

[Trahurn]

73. The Democratic Party Is Universally Inclusive

Of all people. It makes not difference if a person is homosexual or heterosexual, the democratic party has always been about inclusion of all people. It is the republicans that want to pick and choose who they want to associate with based on sexual orientation as well as many other things.
If you are thinking what i think you are thinking and find yourself leaning to wards a party that would tend to prohibit people based on their sexual orientations why don't I just save you some time and effort. See you are not trying to get the democratic party to modify their beliefs just to get elected, you, of course want to be elected but I have a very easy answer for you. If you find yourself always feeling your self wanting to alter homosexual behavior and ideology especially for the good of your party I strongly recommend you leave the democratic party immediately and sign up with George Bush and company as they despise homosexuals. They even tried to have the constitution amended to prevent gay marriage.
So if your problems is gays in general stop trying to micromanage someone else's life and beliefs. One thing is clear. The democratic party is not for you.