"Insurgents probably fled Fallujah"

[jmatthan]

claimed an US Commander, was stated on the news a few minutes ago.

How foolish can the US military commanders be?

Of course, the freedom fighters are not there in Fallujah except for a token resistance to keep the already stretched US forces tied up. They are not fools to be sacrificial lambs as the hyped US kids led to battle by inexperienced leaders. And the American population watches on TV a piece of army propaganda via a controlled embedded media!

The freedom fighters probably melted away a long tinme ago from Fallujah to fight the occupiers at another place at another time.

The effects can be seen in the increased attacks in other locations in Iraq.

So the US forces will continue to be killed somewhere else while the US forces in Fallujah help create more freedom fighters as they continue their carnage of innocent civilians who have no option but to stay and be killed by them.

The US Administration and its Commanders are so full of themselves, their training, their high power equipment - while being totally unaware of the strategy and minds of freedom fighters!!!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[meisje]

1. Like Duh!

My 2 year old could have figured that out a week ago

[Must_B_Free]

2. No scheiss

haven't these people ever heard of guerilla war? Viet Nam? Can;t tell the good guy from the bad guy?

This is nothing but a celebretory wargasm. Bush is trying to set the tone for a term he didn't earn.

[izzie]

8. I do not think so and I wonder if it is not the whole MIC

It is like no one wants to face we do not need super dupper planes for this but men how know the people they are fighting. I watched a TV show once where some Am was running around with his guns swearing at these people and just knew we were done before we started. You just are not going to make it riding in to blow up men, women and children with a cross hanging off your gun and can not understand what anyone is saying. This is like watching a melt down or a great army.

[Union Thug]

3. This way, a higher proportion of babies and children are killed...

than actual combatants/insurgents (pick your moniker)...and we know that lil' georgie's right to life, moral values voters are gleeful about this!

[DELUSIONAL]

10. babies and children are still notches in the butt of the rifle

sort of like bushie choosing one of the weakest nations to invade with "superior" fire power. They couldn't mount a hight tech battle.

Now they tell us that women and children were allowed to go -- while men between 15 + 40 or 50 or 60 were allowed to go. Then we hear that any Iraqis who try to surrender are to be executed (well the commander probably said shoot at).

Sort of like shooting ducks in a bucket -- except the men just might arm themselves.

This is a "war" -- seems like a new language for what's happening should be invented.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. The ones that are still there are martyrs, The marines are

essentially helping their cause. The marines are a throw back to ancient barbaric times. Civilization hasn't really advanced socially or morally at all in 2000 years.

[knight_of_the_star]

5. My ass they ran

The Brits probably said the same thing during the march from Lexington to Boston in 1775. "The rebels seem to have fled m'lord," while coming under musketfire from many angles and they don't know where the shots are coming from.

They are probably either not there or lying in wait to spring a serious ambush that will hurt our troops and make Bush and the interim gov't look stupid, which unfortunately will goad Bush into ordering the city to be burned to the ground.

May the Gods have mercy on the innocents caught in the crossfire of this fight, they didn't ask for it.

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[jmatthan]

9. Can the invalid, poor, maimed, those running high fever

the very elderly, etc. flee in a war zone.

I have an 84-year old mother-in-law, who is an invalid, suffering dementia and tunnel vision, and if someone was about to attack my hometown, I would have a great deal of difficulty to flee with her, even even though I have a car, etc.

And where are the refugee organisations to help those who flee?

The US Army is participating in a blatant war crime TODAY - prove me otherwise. They cannot claim immunity as if they were just following "orders". Refer the Nurenberg trials!!


Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[izzie]

7. I am just a women who likes to read but---

I am telling you I never saw this Fullujah thing as having any brains in it from our side. These people fighting us have been doing these things since JC was a boy. How come DOD does nor know this? In history I have read about countries trying to take over the Middle East like in 4000 BC and it is still in their hands. What are they doing in DC with all those brains, just trying to put reporters in jail or what? I guess Osama is thanking us once more for keeping his recruiting no. up as our falls.If these people do not like history or old days why not just go back 50 or 30 years and see how the underground fought in WW2 and what happened in Nam. My God one will not have to worry about maybe the world is laughing. I am sure it is.Where are the bright Generals? Did Bush fire them or something?

[jmatthan]

11. Don't be so sure....

This is the strategy of the PNAC.

They need chaos to be able to justify the 14 huge military bases in Iraq. So chaos must prevail here.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[izzie]

13. You maybe right. But also

How many bases did we have in the Philippine Islands, pre-Japan and after and how many did Japan have their and now who is running those Islands. England was pretty much all over India and who is ruling that country. I can not see Bush give up those bases he is building. And maybe in 10 or 20 years the Iraq people will like how we built them.Saudi likes the ones we did for that country.

[Selatius]

12. A commentary I picked up

I was once employed by the United States government to convince the press of something very much like that. Having been told so by our military and intelligence services, I went out and reassured reporters that there were no civilians in the Lao portion of the Ho Chi Minh trail (in Vietnam), which was the object of the heaviest aerial bombardment, then or since, in the history of warfare.

As we learned after the war, I was passing on a lie. Civilians suffered through those attacks. Not very many died, because not very many lived in those jungles to begin with. Falluja, on the other hand, has a population larger than that of Austin, Texas. And that population is not strung out sparsely along jungle trails. It is so dense that even the bombs that miss their targets — which is most bombs, in most wars — are going to kill civilians in very large numbers.

How can it be otherwise? Can it possibly be true that a quarter-million people have fled the besieged city, leaving behind only “3,000 to 4,000 hard-core insurgent fighters?” Did I miss the coverage of that mass exodus on the evening news?

No, we are once again declaring open cities and bombing them to rubble. Again, we are destroying the village in order to save it. Again we return to the insane business of using high explosives to spread democracy, defined once more as submission to America’s will.

Full article found here.

[izzie]

14. I have read that their is either 50,000 or 100,000 left in city

Now that number in any place is a good size city. I think Portland Maine is just under 100,000 people, so guess if we are only bombing that number and not 300,000 we could say we are working for the red cross.Just think what we could be doing. When I talked about the enlightenment and life of reason I do not think the Christian right understood my point.

[sandnsea]

15. Not very many died?

Hundreds of thousands died in that bombing campaign, millions died over the course of that war. Even those that face partial truths about Vietnam have yet to face the whole truth.