Are You Progressive?

[George_S]

This is not a new battle we fight and the lines were drawn way back in the 1800s. If you google "progressive" and "eugenics" you will find universal Christian blame for eugenics on the left. The "culture of death" that Bush so often mentions is actually a condemnation of what the right started back then, only, naturally, they blame it on the left. It continues today with nearly the same propaganda, though some of the wording has changed to protect the guilty. The Progressive Era was actually radically conservative and today they are spinning it to those who don't know any better as liberal.

This is a long article, but if you want to understand the battle today, it is essential.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard28.html

[Mr_Spock]

1. I'm Hip, man

:D

[Anakin Skywalker]

2. Me Too!

:)

[Anakin Skywalker]

3. Lew Rockwell? Any Relation to...

George Lincoln Rockwell?

[EdibleEgg]

4. I think it's Bush's fault

He shouldn't have supported that.

[Indiana_Dem]

5. Whew! That WAS long! I just got finished.

It's a little bit of a hard read for non-academics. I don't think it would be read by anybody I know if I tried to post it somewhere else or send it to my friends via email.

But it's VERY interesting. Having spent a better part of 1985-1990 studying evangelism and reading all of their propaganda regarding education, it sounds like someone is lying. Some of the "propaganda" I used to read claimed the left was the advocate for programming our children what to think. They used atheism as the evil faction that has been infiltrating our schools in order to take God out ever since prayer has been taken out of the schools.

With the history presented here, my beliefs in separation of church and state are reinforced! Otherwise, you'd just have a continual fight about which faith is going to have power.

Also about the eugenics. Unreal. I think Bush's greatgrandfather or grandfather helped found Planned Parenthood or something associated with it.

It's difficult to siphon it all out because these "piests" were supposedly from the New England states and lived and reigned out West? I always thought this type of fundamentalism came from the South where it is now.

My grandfather told me Republicans used to be more liberal and live in the North, and Dems used to be more conservative and lived in the South until after the Great Depression when they advocated the social programs for welfare and Social Security. He said everyone was starving and poor and they had to do something.

So, I get confused really easily on this but I'm trying to learn.

Thanks for the great article. I bookmarked it in hopes I can share it with someone.

[George_S]

6. It is a very complex issue and soundbytes can't deal with it.

Two books for further reading if you are interested:

Larson, Edward J. Sex, Race, and Science: Eugenics in the Deep South (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1995)

Also, one that apparently tries to blame the Northern Protestants:

Preaching Eugenics: Religious Leaders and the American Eugenics Movement
by Christine Rosen

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/019515679X/103-2562424-4765464?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

To see how well-financed "philanthropists" can nearly take over the government:

War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race by Edwin Black.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1568582587/qid=1100121781/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-2562424-4765464

Thanks to the DUers who made me aware of this history.

[Comicstripper]

7. If by progressive, you mean LIBERAL, then yes

'Liberal' has become "the N-word" of American politics. Folks, if we want to reclaim our opinions, which are completely valid, we need our word back. Kerry might've won had the debate gone thusly:
Bush: "My opponent is...*befuddled pause*..the most liberal senator in the,uh....the senate."
Kerry: "Thank you for putting me in the ranks of FDR, JFK, and Thomas Jefferson, but you're being too modest."

[George_S]

8. The Progressive Era was a combination...

But it was the far right conservative side of the equation and did not stand the test of time. Now a search for "eugenics" and "progressive" will find many Christian sites that blame liberals for eugenics while they deny their part. This is effective because we often equate "liberal" and "progressive" even though they are far from equal in the context of this history. The article explains why.

Conservatives have succeeded in separating themselves from this history and blaming it all on the liberal's "culture of death." Neat trick because they can claim because of the abortion debate all of eugenics is the fault of the liberals, when in fact their efforts were much more sinister.

[Magnulus]

9. I'm a populist

Pure and simple. "Every Man a King", "Share the Wealth", etc.

[George_S]

10. The Navy discriminates!

The Navy discriminates!
Posted: December 5, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

A blatant case of discrimination has reared its ugly head in the United States Navy. It's not the kind you might expect involving race or even sex. It's a case of religious discrimination. It doesn't involve Muslims or any other religious minority. The Navy discriminates against the chaplains who serve its largest religious community – evangelicals.

For the unenlightened, evangelicals are non-liturgical Protestants from various denominations: Baptists, Bible Churches, Assembly of God, Church of God, Pentecostals, charismatics and other conservative religious-faith groups. What sets these Protestants apart from the mainline or liturgical denominations such as Congregationalists, Methodists, Lutherans, Reformed, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc. is that they do not follow a set form of worship or rituals, nor do their clerics wear religious garments. Evangelical worship tends to be Bible-centered and emphasizes a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

Over the years, the mainline or liturgical Protestant denominations have been losing ground to the non-liturgical Protestant denominations. Nowhere is that change more noticeable than in the Armed Services. The Navy evangelical Protestant community is about four times larger than the liturgical Protestant community. In fact, there are twice as many Navy Baptists as all liturgical Protestants combined.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29876