A reminder of who we are and what we're made of --

[Emillereid]

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation....


There is nothing -- NOTHING -- immutable about the geography of this country. A country is not it's geography, it is its ideas and ideals and share 'values'. Blue states UNITE - - you've nothing to lose.

[pleiku52cab]

1. THE CIVIL WAR COST OVER 600,000 LIVES

we cannot give up this easily - there was massive voter FRAUD and this must be proved to the country

[Emillereid]

2. I don't think we have to start with war -- we could perhaps start

with a referendum to split. I think we could make a compelling argument that people in both the blue and red states should be able to determine their own unique destinies. I no more want to impose my values on the reddies than I want them to impose their values on me.

I really believe that the whole government has been taken over by fascists -- who control all of government and it's enforcement agencies -- and will never permit a fair and honest election again. I do believe that they won this and the last election through fraud -- but I don't think we will ever have a forum to 'prove' anything -- remember we don't have congress and we certainly don't have the media. How many years and generations will this empire last -- I don't know. But if we must one day fight to regain our history -- then we will. Or be slaves. I hope it doesn't come to that -- but history has shown that this kind of absolute power is not usually given up peacefully.