My name is John Kerry and I am reporting for duty

[Jersey Devil]

Even though I have conceded I am fighting a stealth campaign to overturn the election due to fraud. But I don't want anyone to know it.

So the first thing I did was announce I was giving up and sent all my lawyers home. Then I closed my website and blog so it wouldn't look like my campaign staff was doing anything either and sent them home.

To really throw the Republicans a curve I secretly met with Ralph Nader and got him to file for a recount in (chuckle, chuckle, this will really fool them) New Hampshire, which I won by a very close margin. They will never know I am really behind it if I ask for a recount where I won, right? And the chances of my win in NH being reversed on a recount are absolutely fucking zero so don't worry about that making Ohio absolutely irrelevant with a Bush win in NH giving him a win even without Ohio. I am so impressed with my clever strategy!

Now just in case they are beginning to sniff out my plan I had Ralphie file for a recount in NH at the last minute and not bring a check with him for the required fees, a master stroke since now the only way we can get a recount in NH is if they grant our appeal.

How do you like this so far?

Remember, "no retreat, no surrender"

[Florida_Geek]

1. Kerry is Skull and Bones like Bush and has done his masters bidding

And like Holy Joe still has his REAL job.

[Jersey Devil]

43. I guess you haven't heard about the new loyalty oath requirement

You cannot post in a thread about Kerry without submitting a written loyalty oath.

[mzmolly]

54. Yes, I'm certain that's it!

:eyes:

The SKULL AND BONNNEEEZZZ SOCIETY :scared: He didn't really get 54 million votes, the people who voted for Kerry are all Skull and Bones too!

[timtom]

58. Thanks, Florida_Geek!

This has been my feeling all along. But like a good little DUer, I kept my opinion to myself through the so-called election.
BTW, I'm a Florida geek, too.

And, OF COURSE I voted for Kerry. I'm an ABB kinda guy!

[Florida_Geek]

100. I am ABB First

but a Deanie, Clarkie second..... :0

[Robeson]

2. Jersey Devil...

...don't know if I buy into your theory, but I'll kick it for ya. This ought to make for some interesting talk.


:kick: ;-)

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jersey Devil]

4. I take it you approve of John's clever plan

He would like to respond directly to you but at the present moment he is in a secret location with computer experts under a desk in an undisclosed county board of elections in Ohio investigating this matter personally.

[whirlygigspin]

5. give the guy a break

he's probably in a big blue funk, pardon the expression.

That said, stop counting on him to do the job,

and support Bev & Ida and people who care about honest voting,

not position & power.

that is all.

[Jersey Devil]

6. I won before I lost

Using tricky reverse psychology will get them every time

[VivaKerry]

18. I am not necessarily on board with this thread's initial post,

but John K is in a blue funk? depressed?

when the cattle cars are coming through towns to gather up homos and uppity women and general dissenters against the bush reich, John Kerry will be on his lovely, newly-purchased island in the caribbean drinking a pina colada with his well-heeled and well-fed family all about him.

He's blue?

MILLIONS of americans are left to the wolves no matter what, unless they happen to be super rich.

John is blue because an ambition was quashed? geez, I would like to afford a steak now and again. And to get this cracked tooth fixed (which ain't going to happen).

Don't mean to come down on you, but something about feeling REALLY BAD for the rich senator (who I love and would have loved as my prez) is just TOO MUCH TO TAKE! I liken it to when willie nelson had the irs down his neck for something like 4 million in taxes that he didn't pay. Keep in mind that he had a gross income that resulted in that 4 million tax bill. And all these regular workers were taking donations to pay willie's tax bill -- while willie played golf at his home -- a country club he bought.

Let's get our people fed and THEN worry about the rich people's feelings, okay?

[Jersey Devil]

20. Initial post was written in bbs sanskrit op dialect

Does anyone here speak sarcasm?

[VivaKerry]

21. Seems clear to me...

that the sarcasm was a direct hit against kerry.

Forgive me, I am too stupid to be a du poster.

I don't care about the initial post -- I care about anyone feeling SORRY for JK. He is and will be just fine no matter what. I am worried about the homeless people in my community, thankyouverymuch. Oh damn, touting those boring old dem party values again. Back to my flogging.

[Robeson]

29. Oh yes, and its been a riot!

[Jersey Devil]

32. Need a part? Auditions this afternoon at 2 pm

We are casting a comic tragedy. We need someone to play the part of an innocent and naive serf who has been told that the king will stop by shortly at his hovel and give him a bag of gold. The serf waits patiently for his whole life and dies of a broken heart. Meanwhile, the mice in the hovel put on a play within the play, until they get swallowed by a cat.

Think you can handle it?

[Robeson]

37. No, I've been enjoying being a member...

...of the audiance on this one. Its been better than a..uh..Marx Brothers movie. ;-)

[Pachamama]

52. For a newbie not even a week old, it doesn't sound too credible that

you would have loved him as Prez, yet you attack him and his integrity based on his wealth...

With supporters like that, he'd be better off without...I for one believe he was fighting for all of us and I don't believe for a moment that he is only blue for losing...my trust and loyalty and faith in John Kerry goes deeper.....

[neebob]

107. Uppity women are going to the camps, too?

Shit! Thanks for wrecking my day.

[hlthe2b]

119. Do you doubt it? they will control our bodies and unless we get married,

we have no standing with this administration, whatsoever.

[Hello_Kitty]

33. John Kerry is a Senator, a former war hero, and a former

prosecutor. He ran a decent, honorable campaign for the job of President. He worked tirelessly. He beat * resoundingly in ALL 3 debates. He travelled the country extensively, speaking to diverse groups of people and reaching out to them. Then on Nov. 2, after numerous polls assuring him of probable victory, the man watches his hopes dashed as state after state comes in with inexpicable but clear majorities for his opponent. Can you imagine how devastating that must have been? So now he's supposed to be an instantaneous voting fraud expert and raring to fight the corrupt fascist bastards and their media lackeys. Give the guy a frigging break will ya?

[Jersey Devil]

36. All true and like you I admire him greatly

Totally understandable that he would be devastated. But all it would take is a wink and a vast army would be at his command. Why is there no wink?

[PittLib]

39. aw - cc, can I call you that? ..

I like you so much. I saw on another post (because we are probably the ones awake!) and I remembered you fondly for some reason ... now I know why. I will not turn on JK. And I seriously have a problem with those who have.

[Hello_Kitty]

42. Why certainly you can call me cc.

Or Donna, which is my real name. And thank you very much from a fellow night person. :hi:

[Jersey Devil]

57. OMG, John Kerry said to pass a message to you directly

He said only Donna would understand. Here is the message:

"The pork rinds in New Hampshire are sweeter than the oranges grown in Florida and sold at Chuck E. Cheese Pizza Time Theater"

I think this is some sort of code.

[Hello_Kitty]

59. Gotcha.

I'll get right on it. Thanks John.

[Francesca]

84. LOL

[brainshrub]

97. He had to have known this was going to happen.

The 2002 election should have been a wake-up call. It's not like there wasn't enough warning. Hell, I knew this was going to happen!

[bobbieinok]

109. strongly support K...but EVERY dem should have been on vote fraud

since 2000. We saw it, and most of us are NOT professional politicians.

We were told he was onto BCCI and pushed the Iran-Contra stuff, so he's NOT naive about republican shenanigans.

[Star]

113. Yes, I can imagine how devastating that must have been

because I came close to that devastating feeling myself.

It would have been so much better if Kerry had fought to the end (like he promised us), if he had let us know he was still our leader (like he told us he would be), if he had understood that WE also were devastated.

We could have helped each other. Instead, we're here and he's .....

where?

[LittleClarkie]

13. I merely support John Kerry

I have no plans to be a fair weather friend.

Those of us who have come to respect the man do not appreciate watching our party eat its own.

No wonder we can find no consistency. We race from candidate to candidate, looking for the perfect one.

I dearly hope you end up having to eat your words. Perhaps lightly grilled with some cream sauce?

But even if I hear nothing from him, I trust him. And I've learned enough about him in the last few months to feel that he doesn't deserve to be called a coward, a turncoat, a skull and bones conspirator, or any of the rest of the things I've seen this week.

So how do I get my name changed to "KerryDemocrat"?

[JI7]

16. keep "littleclarkie"

i like it. your posts in support of kerry do enough to show you admire the man as i do.

[Jersey Devil]

17. Did you catch that little wink from John during the concession speech?

If you play it backwards and apply Morse Code the message was "Fraud in Ohio. Call Nader. Somebody get me a beer."

[PittLib]

40. Again ...

nothing but love for those of you who remain loyal. I'm with you.

[incapsulated]

44. Question

An honest one.

What are you remaining loyal to? Kerry has bowed out, with a nice speech about healing and working together, and will go back to his old job. He will, no doubt, continue to do his part as a Democratic Senator, but so will all the other Democratic senators.

If he does nothing to help, especially from the standpoint of those that voted in states where the count is under question, why does he deserve your loyalty? Isn't that earned, not granted? He promised that our votes would be counted, didn't he? It's not just HIS vote, it is OUR vote as American citizens, here. Isn't that who he is sworn to represent? And uphold the constitution?

I don't understand this kind of loyalty, honestly.

[Jersey Devil]

46. Easily explained - cognitive dissonance

I hear there are still Yankees sitting in the dugout refusing to believe the Red Sox beat them.

[PittLib]

63. Right...

He gave up a year of his life to mosey into the sunset? ... and you gave him what, 4 days? Sorry, but for all the time and energy I put into this campaign ... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, unlike some here who were attacking him the moment he was down. Do you know anything about the man? Sometimes the need is just too great to say "I told you so". I wasn't an ABB, nor did I have another candidate in mind before the primaries. I have been for Kerry since I heard his name mentioned as a mere possibility. So - no ... I don't believe in dogging him now. And people seriously question what is wrong with this party ...

[incapsulated]

67. So, I'm the "problem" with the party

Because I expect it to do more than assure it's own individual members re-elections. I actually expect it to do something for me and my vote.

wow. I guess I'll have to join the rethugs. I know they wouldn't stand for this shit, they would be screaming before the polls even closed and you know it.

That, not my humble request for representation, is why they presently own every single branch of government.

[PittLib]

70. Actually, IMHO the reason they "own" each branch of government ...

is because they are loyal, because they actually believe in their candidate, because they don't turn on him the minute they decide things aren't going their way.

[incapsulated]

74. They are "loyal" because they are like cult members

And they are well known for dealing quite harshly with any dissenters.

Is that what you want?

[PittLib]

80. Yes master ...

hey, wait ... what?

[PittLib]

49. see thread 48.

Please forgive me - POST 48.

[Jersey Devil]

60. Beechwood 4-5789

Thread 48? Where are there references to thread numbers on DU (serious question)?

[Jersey Devil]

103. self deleted response to deleted message

Message removed by poster. Click somewhere (but not here)to review the message board rules.

[LTRS]

7. Exactly! People need to accept that Kerry

did in fact surrender for real and it's over. As I have said before, I am not mad at him, but certainly disappointed. And "no retreat, no surrender" is probably the most ironic theme for a campaign that I have ever seen. He couldn't surrender fast enough.

[Jersey Devil]

8. But we know he fights on!

At this moment he and Sancho Panza are preparing to storm Diebold headquarters.

[Pachamama]

45. I for one believe in John Kerry and unlike you, I don't believe Kerry has

ever surrendered to anything...perhaps the real irony will be that he throws a curveball to those pessismists that are so busy trying to slight him....

The man has spent his whole life defending this nation and working for its citizens...people don't change their fundamental core values...stay tuned...

[DELUSIONAL]

9. The fight right now is with blackboxvoting.org

and with others who will attempt to prove fraud.

This is in the hands of the people -- it is a people's war -- hopefully it will be a bloodless war -- we need to fight intelligently and not give the idiot chimp a reason to kill any on our side. He would love to execute some of the more troublesome among us.

We don't have the troops and the fire power but we do have the brains and the creativity to fight this war.

bracelets for the resistance -- this is what my family and friends are getting for christmas.

http://www.notmecampaign.com/

[Jersey Devil]

10. I support the fight to expose fraud completely but

I do not expect it to change anything in this election. I do hope that it leads to tamper proof elections in the future or we will never win again.

[SodoffBush]

23. Everyone had hoped for tamper proof in this election

and yet there appears to be more tampering than ever before.

It's nice to be hopeful and optimistic, but realistically, unless punishment is meted out to those commiting the fraud, it will only repeat itself in the future.

[Jersey Devil]

28. I agree completely

thus my pissed off sarcasm aimed at the one person who could help the most but will not and trying to help those who will not see that the fight must be fought anyway.

[cubsfan forever]

104. A tragically accurate analysis n/t

Professor 2

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. I will not succumb to this.

I do not know everything. The one thing I know about myself is that I am unwise, flawed and that I cannot and should not jump to conclusions. Until it is proved to me that any of the above contains any accuracy, I will not condemn John Kerry or John Edwards.

I will not focus bitterness at our own. I feel certain I know where the faults lie. The evidence is too compelling.

[LittleClarkie]

14. Mwah!

Ditto and/or likewise.

[Jersey Devil]

15. He is even fooling us with his masterful illusions - rope-a-dope

He is fighting but he isn't. He has surrendered but he fights on. He isn't asking for recounts but he is.

By God, he is a true genius!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

19. Sorry. I respectfully choose...

To not go there at this time. You have every right to draw your own conclusions.

[Jersey Devil]

22. Do we really need Obi Wan Kerry to defeat the Evil Empire?

It seems to me that many here are sitting on their hands waiting for a sign from Obi Wan. The BBV fight can be fought without him. Of course, if he will not help it will mean nothing for this particular election in all likelihood, but still the fight must go on.

I am simply expressing my disappointment.

[LittleClarkie]

24. I can see that. Over and over and over...

Seems to me the BBV fight IS being fought, meanwhile.

And your disappointment has been duly logged. However, after about the tenth time, the same note of sarcasm wears just a WEE bit thin.

What constructive purpose does cradling your sarcasm, holding it, petting it and naming it George serve.

[Jersey Devil]

26. Perhaps it may aid others about to crash into windmills without armor

I have seen a few posters here who either are on the "in" with the Kerry campaign or pretending to be on the "in" (egomaniacs looking for a stage to perform?) making posts that subtly suggest that Kerry is working in the background on the voter fraud issue. Frankly I think those posts are cruel and sadistic.

I am hoping to help those on the hook end of these trolling lines to break free and face the truth.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

35. Here's what we don't know:

1) We don't know what is happening within what is left of the K/E campaign and any other quarters.

2) We don't know why the quiet is so deafening, punctuated by the very occasional mollifying remark.

I do know this: There is no way under the sun that the data being compiled, compelling data that makes a case for means, motive and opportunity(The bedrock of any criminal investigation) is being compiled and reported. Know that it is being noticed. The efforts in the cyberworld have become part of the DNA of the last elections and that just does not go away.

[Jersey Devil]

38. But you need corroboration for circumstantial evidence

The circumstantial case is very, very strong from what I have heard and seen, there is no question about that.

But to win the case you need access to the extrinsic evidence inside the machines, on the tapes, in the records. You can compile lists of curcumstances stacked as high as from here to China, but without access to that evidence it goes nowhere.

Kerry is the key to get to that evidence. If it can be done through Nader, then fine. But someone has to get to it or it will quickly slip away, disappear without a trace. "Sorry, but those records cannot be located"

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

47. But what has it been?

5-6 days? Patience. If everything happened at once, the mess would be hell to clean up after.

[Jersey Devil]

50. One deadline has already passed - others coming shortly

We were through this before in Florida in 2000 when we waited to long to develop a coordinated attack and that resulted in disaster.

If I am to believe there is any plan and that it involves NH as has been said openly here many times, why would Kerry have Nader file for a recount and not even get the lousy $2,000 filing fee to him in time to file?

Does this plan include looking totally fucked up at every stage?

[IdaBriggs]

111. Go read Post #110.

This week's deadlines SO FAR that I know of --

TUES Alaska Candidate or 10 Voters
TUES Maine Candidate
TUES Montana Candidate
WED New Mexico Candidate
THUR Missouri Court Challenge Req?
THUR Utah 10 Voters Per Precinct?

and I'm working to make sure they get met. We missed Iowa on Friday. :(

[Carolab]

108. Obi Wan Kerry

Best laugh I've had all day

[mzmolly]

66. Like a good DU-er? How bout "like a sane person!"

Lord this place is scarry at times.

[HereSince1628]

12. Sing out the pain. Grief is natural...Count the votes again

With Apologies to Hoyt Axton...

Count the Votes Again!


Georgie deals out dyin’
he should travel in a hearse.
He treats you like a dog now
He’s soon to treat you worse.

He don’t have vote counts
And if he did he’d lie
Georgie is the Devil
and he don’t want Lib’s alive!

Well some you win, and some you lose.
The winners all grin and the losers sing:
“Count the votes again,
please count the votes again!”

Well election days not childrens play
We worked it for year long
We got an education to be sure

We loved a lovely candidate
he opened up our eyes
He said he fight for every vote
we got a big surprise,
he folded and went home

Well some you win and some you lose.
The winners all grin and the losers sing:

“Count the votes again,
please count the votes agghin hin HIN HIN IN IN!”

[incapsulated]

25. hey, wait a minute...

I read this whole thread now. Where you being sarcastic or something? Cause I was really down with this genius plan!

:(

[Jersey Devil]

30. Like Kerry, I bob and weave

His plan is so clever that even those who believe it will work will not realize it is working until it works.

[tritsofme]

27. Finally someone with their head on straight

Did you know that there is 99.99999% probability that the election is over and we need to work to pick up the pieces?

Ask me and I'll send 5000 mathematical simulations proving this.

[Jersey Devil]

31. But there is still a 0.000001 chance!!

If I were a betting man........

[Wind Dancer]

34. Funny I remember Kerry speaking to the

Black Caucus promising every vote would count. He quit and left us hanging out to dry.

[Jersey Devil]

41. Black Caucus consists of very patient people

They sit there quietly while group after group desiring their support piles heaps of unadulterated bullshit in front of them to get their favor.

Someday their patience is going to run out. Somebody better start making good on the promises being made to them or they may take their marbles to another game.

[PittLib]

48. I have very little appreciation for this thread.

There. I said it. I'm tired of this. Yeah, Kerry's a pussy ... yeah, we're disappointed... blah blah blah. Seriously, fuck that. I don't need a leader to tell me that I've been robbed. Kerry did what he could. This is my chance to be heard, and I demand it. I've said it before, so here it is again ... what is more effectual? One man questioning, or 55 million questioning? This is our moment ... and I'm sick of the fucking fickle ass people here who expect someone to front us ... THIS IS OUR FIGHT. Quit blaming, for the love of god. I was pissed that Bill said "quit whining" - but Jeez ... I realize why. I don't want Kerry to be a scapegoat if this doesn't pan out. I want him to be on our side, regardless. Quit bitching and blaming and stand up for yourself!

[incapsulated]

51. So if our representatives are useless

And we are on our own, why bother voting at all? What are we wasting our time for, when we can only count on ourselves, god help us, to go up against an evil cabal?

What is the point of this party, again?

[PittLib]

55. Oh, please ...

Remind me again of what happened to Gore? I'm not talking about political system in general ... and you know that.

[incapsulated]

61. Gore?

"Remind me again of what happened to Gore?"

So you are more concerned with John Kerry saving face, and not being ridiculed, than insuring a fair and uncorrupted election?

"I'm not talking about political system in general ... and you know that."

No, I don't "know that". You just stated that we were a bunch of "whiners" for expecting our nominee and presumptive party leader to actually do something about this, and that we should do it by ourselves, instead. I mean, it was only his own name on the ballots that are under question.

[PittLib]

79. Gore ended up looking like a bitch ...

and you know it. Even though he had every right to contest and demand a recount, it got to the point where even dems were saying "enough". Kerry had no option. There was no way to prove what went down in a remotely expedient manner ... and he did what he did as not to drag this thing out any more than necessary. Does that mean the fight is over? Hardly. None of us know what is being done on his part ... so I think we should have some proof before we sacrifice him.

[Jersey Devil]

53. I am part of the Sekrit Kerry Committee to overturn the election

But don't tell anyone. Oh, this is strictly off the record.

[PittLib]

56. Wow ...

humor(?) at this hour ... hmmmm. Do you wonder why there are no politicians who are willing to put their neck on the line for our ideals? Gee, let me think ...

[Jersey Devil]

62. We are not worthy to receive Kerry

and we are heartily sorry that we offended him.

Do you think Kerry will sign the recount papers if we all do an act of contrition to him?

[PittLib]

68. Again ... I wish I had more liberty on these boards ...

to say how I feel about certain posters, but since I might want to stick around ... I'll refrain. I'm a little fed up with the sarcasm and condescension. Maybe that is why we lose. Wasn't that a public opinion problem with our last two candidates? That they were elitist and condescending? Just a thought.

[Jersey Devil]

72. Do you have a wedgie?

Sometimes when I get a wedgie I can get rid of it just by wiggling around instead of tugging at it and letting everyone know what's going on.

[PittLib]

83. Aren't you ...

the clever one? Good lord, please stop... I am in absolute stitches!

[timtom]

69. This Democracy of ours

is supposed to have been a representative form of government. I believe we have every right to expect honest representation from, oh, perhaps just over 50 percent of our representatives (allowing for 40 percent corruptible persons) to stand for truth and dignity and to fight the good fight on our behalf. That's the way it was set up. The "whining" you hear may just be committed Americans who want nothing less than what we bargained for.

[PittLib]

89. Yeah ... so where are your representatives?

Have you written them? Called them? Or is John Kerry the only one that can represent? Last I checked there were more dems out there than just him.

[mzmolly]

64. And another possibility for the non-freepers ...

Even though I have conceded I am continuing the greater battle against this administration.

I announced my giving up and sent all my lawyers home because I believe I F**KING LOST! Then I closed my website and blog because generally when one loses an election by 3.5 million votes, they close up shop.

I never secretly met with Ralph Nader and got him to file for a recount in New Hampshire, because I feel I most likely lost the election in a legitimate manner, though I am monitoring the situation. And, should fraud be proven or even look quite probable, I will be the first to take up this battle. But as a member of the Senate I would prefer not to be laughed out of Washington before serving out the last 4 years of my term should the fraud thing not pan out.

You see if I were to shout "THEY STOLE THE ELECTION!!!" I'd sound like a tantruming school boy who blamed the umpire for losing the Baseball game. I wouldn't be effective in getting anything done for YOU over the next four years because people in Washington would think I've lost my fargen mind.

I did my best. I really wanted to win this election for all of you. I just don't think I can argue with the 3.5 million American people who I really believe decided this election.

You see, if I didn't have faith in the system, I wouldn't have been able to serve you over the past 35 years. I hope you'll try and understand. While I respect your right to believe the election was a fraud, I am not yet convinced. Perhaps I'm not impartial enough? Perhaps I'm too emotionally involved to make a sound decision at this time?

I really expected to win. I'm still digesting all that happened and questioning all that went wrong. But, as I promised "I've got your back" and I did my best. I hope that you can all appreciate my efforts on your behalf. I've been defeated in the battle for the Presidency, but the greater battle continues and I will continue the fight.

Remember, "no retreat, no surrender"

[Jersey Devil]

65. Yes of course, the man is a genius and as sly as a fox

The do nothing plan is so clever that no one will ever catch on.

[mzmolly]

71. I guess serving in Vietnam, protesting that war, serving in the Senate for

35 years and giving the last three years of his life to his country (campaigning hours on end, every f*cking day) now falls under the "do nothing" category ...

I've not seen one positive post from you about John Kerry EVER. Some people might find that suspect? Why one earth would a person who NEVER SUPPORTED JOHN KERRY, now be angry he conceded?

In fact, you should post this bullshit rant on the conservative discussion boards you have bookmarked, they'd really appreciate it.

[robbedvoter]

75. "Is this Kerry the same as that kerry?" one asked his co-chair

at a democratic club endorsement meeting. Being an honest man, Mark Green said: who among us is the same as in our youth?

[mzmolly]

78. Sorry you must be referring to the brief comment on JK protesting the war?

Digest the rest of this mans service to our country for a moment won't you?

Thanks for the quote. I'd say many among US are the same as in their youth. In fact, the "toddler years" come quickly to mind.

[Jersey Devil]

76. Here ya go, finally someone accuses me of being a freeper

because I am not toting the line to their satisfaction.

Are you a member of my fan club that you know what I have posted about Kerry in the past and have you done a study on all 800+ of my posts so that you can make such a ridiculous claim?

Is there a John Kerry loyalty oath I must sign before posting? Are you the chairman of the Kommittee to Keep Kerry Posts Positive?

[mzmolly]

82. I am certainly no fan. But I know a rat when one presents itself to me.

I don't always know the "kind" of rat, but a rat is a rat is a rat.

And gosh, I didn't accuse you of being a freeper, that would be against the rules.

[Jersey Devil]

85. A rat jumps from a ship before it sinks

This one is already under water.

I don't know you and to my knowledge have never had any conversations with you ever. But your statement that I have never been supportive of Kerry is total horseshit.

If you want to turn this into a pissing contest I can take whatever you have to dish out and I will spit it right back at you.

[mzmolly]

86. I've not seen "support" from you for JK, but as I said "I'm no fan."

Regarding the pissing contest, you started pissing with the OP.

[Jersey Devil]

87. Likewise - I look forward to avoiding you with great pleasure

Do you take notes on other DU posters or only guys from Jersey?

[mzmolly]

88. I tend to remember certain commentary.

We can leave it at that.

:hi:

Cheerio.

[Jersey Devil]

90. Why not ask: Are you or are you not a member of the Communist Party

So you end it with innuendo. I thought so. Better get some more powder for your gun.

[PittLib]

91. I see you are setting up your fan club?

I hope you don't plan on charging a fee to join ... it might deter people.

[Jersey Devil]

92. I am finished with you for now, thank you

You can pick up your check at the courtesy desk.

I am off to breakfast. If you would like I will bring back some egg for you to put on your face.

You really should not accuse others of things you do not have proof of. I have supported John Kerry ever since New Hampshire and have made plenty of posts supporting him here and elsewhere. But I do not have to defend myself against ignorance, so why bother?

Toodles

[PittLib]

94. Um ... I made no accusations.

so no egg for me ...but I do have mzmolly's back (not that they need it). Me, personally? I find obnoxiousness every bit as repugnant as ignorance.

[Jersey Devil]

95. Pardon me

My mistake. I usually carry my own bags.

[mzmolly]

98. Thank you.

:yourock:

[PittLib]

99. Picking fights with everyone here? ...

please. I'm taking notes now, too. And I thought self righteous and smug were repug traits. Oh and btw, you rock too. :pals:

[robbedvoter]

73. I send staffers on DU to assure "I won't pull an Al Gore on you"

That meaning, I'll show up at my day job waiting for me and be very, very....uh...critical of Bush!
I also call back the lawyers from the tarmac because "certain elements in the party considered we'd look like crybabies" (Mike papantonio on Air America - relucrant admission

[Jersey Devil]

81. So that guy WAS a Kerry staffer for real?

Frankly that is what prompted my original post, the "I won't pull a Gore" string designed to keep Dems hanging on with hope that "something is coming". I thought it was cruel and sadistic and high time to say that there ain't nothing coming. It's over.

[incapsulated]

77. My last word on this

I'm only disappointed in Kerry, but not surprised. He is a career polititan and he is not going to burn down the house that he lives in. I would be lying to say I am shocked.

But it doesn't make it right, either.

[procopia]

93. I think Kerry was threatened

"Remember Wellstone." Kerry's actions have been out of character for him. He is behaving like someone who's been threatened.

[brainshrub]

96. What's it like

to be a surrendering boot licker?

There is no shame in losing an election. There is no shame in fighting the election results to make sure every vote is counted and still losing; but giving up in the face of a fight when you promised every vote would count... disgraceful.

For a brave Vietnam vet, you sure have fallen a long way.

[emulatorloo]

101. And Trashing Kerry endlessly Helps Us How? Enough circular firing squads

Sorry, I just don't see the point of it.

There is a big battle ahead for Dems, and to me I'd rather spend my energy going after Rove Bush Cheney - The men who LIED their way into the Whitehouse - rather than ripping up other democrats.

[PittLib]

102. Amen. nt

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

105. So your remedy is to cram it up everyone's ass?

Sweet.

[whirlygigspin]

106. are we having fun yet?

ahum.

[IdaBriggs]

110. I did the best I could. I did the numbers and begged for help.

Only three people could request a recount in New Hampshire, and the deadline for them doing so was Friday at 5:00 p.m. I spent all day Thursday and way too much time Friday playing six degrees of Kevin Bacon trying to track down Kerry or his team. They were nowhere to be found. I wasn't going to bother asking Bush. If I hadn't thought to BEG Ralph Nader (who, in my opinion, is SAVING THE WORLD) through one of his staffers to HELP Friday afternoon, the numbers would have been locked away at 5:00 p.m. with no recourse.

You don't like MY strategy that's fine, but you'd better believe I'm doing the best I can. I reached out to the BBV people. I reached out to the NBI people. I talked to the staff at my congressman's office, and got someone from the FEC to look at the data. I've been on the phone with both the Secretary of State and the Attorney General for New Hampshire, and I have explained and Explained and EXPLAINED the logic behind each step that I've made. I haven't given up, and so far, its looking like I'm going to win my goal -- getting recounts in a whole bunch of other states; if the numbers are "clean" then I'll stop. If the numbers are "dirty" it will be resolved before the electoral college meets, and Kerry is President.

So tell me, Jersey Devil, what are YOU doing in the meantime? Any plans to help me out? Or do you just want to sit on the sidelines and mock my efforts? You are entitled to do that; I just want to know the score.

[Divine Discontent]

112. threatened???????

give me a BREAK. I can't buy that. Because he could tell all of the leaders in the democratic party he was threatened that they would "get" him and make it look like an accident, and go on the news with the threats (remember, he conceded so who cares about humility, in fact that's a good thing) and say they threatened to kill me if I complained about the fraud, here's the fraud we've found, we need to overhaul the voting process in this country and get it done in 18 months or this democracy is ruined.

or something like that... hey, my comments aren't any crazier than the ones above I read... and Kerry is an honorable guy, I was mad at first, but I accept that he believes nothing could be done or, if so, he's doing it behind the scenes, and I'm in no position to do anything other than riot, and it hasn't come to that.....
yet.

[JudyM]

114. Ida, stay strong - you're doing SUPER and a lot of us are grateful

No need to waste energy/time on this. Use the extra time for sleep!

[IdaBriggs]

117. You are right, Judy. I'm tired, and getting punchy.

Two posters in a row mocking my efforts just got to me. Isn't it lame to have one's feelings hurt by an anonymous poster on a message board? LOL. But, the kind words from people like you definitely help, and you are right. I need to go to bed; Monday is going to be a challenge! I'll reply to the woman underneath you, and go curl up with my husband...Thank you! :)

[faithnotgreed]

116. youre beautiful ida. thank you truly for amazing work

[IdaBriggs]

118. Thank you. Sorry for the whine fest there -- I was having "a moment."

But I'm going to bed now. :) Have a nice night. :)

[Jersey Devil]

121. My rant had nothing whatsoever to do with you Ida

My heartfelt thanks go out to you and all the people like you who are expending a tremendous amount of their time and efforts trying to expose the fraud. Nor is my beef with Nader, who I am certain can always be counted on to expose any kind of dishonesty.

Personally I have done a lot in this election and was basically responsible for a GOTV effort in an entire town of 18,000 people that had a turnout rate of almost 85% - yes, 85%. So please don't lecture me about hard work because I have been doing it.

My beef is with Kerry. He took you and me and all the others who sweated, lost money (yes, if you were like me you probably ignored your business far too much), gave their all, and with his instant concession speech with no where near all the votes even counted yet he went fishing and left us behind to cut bait.

[IdaBriggs]

122. I understand. (I got some sleep.)

You did an excellent job, and you are upset because he let you down. I get that. I don't know what's going on with them (they have been completely useless in getting the recounts done, I might add), but frankly, I'm in the "I don't care what they want -- I WANT A HAND RECOUNT!" category. Did you know that John Kerry and Pete Coors received nearly the SAME number of votes in Colorado? How is THAT for funky numbers?

I'm choosing to assume Kerry and his team need a bit of a break; they got an ego beat-down Tuesday that was publicized on national television after working as hard as they possibly could. Who has his back? Well, I'm working on it, and so are a bunch of other people. As things progress, he'd better get his flip-flopping behind OUT HERE and start helping, but if he needs a break until then, I'll forgive him later.

But I'm going to want some SERIOUS chocolate! :)

[SammyWinstonJack]

115. Heh!

:evilgrin: I have never felt so let down in my life! Never again. Fool me once shame on you Fool me twice shame on me!

[ever_green]

120. I still think this, am I crazy?

I am still hoping something like this is happening. I just can't believe it's over just like that. The votes weren't freakin counted yet!!