Bush has really fornicated the canine this time

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-russia-saudi,0,3748682.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Saudi Crown Prince to Visit Moscow

September 1, 2003, 3:51 PM EDT

MOSCOW -- In the first visit to post-Soviet Russia by a Saudi leader, Crown Prince Abdullah is expected to focus on convincing Moscow his country does not tolerate terrorism, despite Kremlin contentions that Chechen rebels get Saudi help.

Riyadh has faced widespread international criticism for being unable to control terrorist organizations allegedly operating in Saudi Arabia. Fifteen of 19 hijackers in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were Saudis.

"Saudi Arabia is naturally now administering serious diplomatic activity to convince the world that it does not support this sort of tendency," said Professor Vladimir Isayev, deputy director of the Institute of Oriental Studies in Moscow. "Saudi Arabia is a country, it seems, on the verge of being a social outcast."

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What does the US do when Russia gets invited to take over and send a few dozen MiG and Sukhoi Fighter Jets to that formerly US owned state of the art air base that tha US built in Saudi Arabia for billions of dollars? How much of the worlds oil supply does Russia control when that happens? We have Iraq but can't get a drop of oil out of the place before someone blows up the pipelines needed to get the stuff out of there.

Yes. Russias military is nothing compared to ours. But what good is our superior military when the Russians have the capability to turn our country into a burning cinder within 30 minutes? Tell me. What good is it? I will tell you what good our military is. Its worthless. Russia will be able to dictate the price of oil. That is worth repeating. Russia will be able to dictate the price of our oil. And even how much we are allowed to purchase. Think about for a minute. We are phucked. Little boots is dealing with a former KGB agent who has probably done things in his life that would make Saddam Hussein blush. You think I am joking? I am not.

We got suckered into going into Iraq. It don't make no difference if we stay in Iraq or not at this point. No difference at all. We are phucked either way we go now. Did Junior think Putin just forgave the US for what we did in Afghanistan when we supported Osama bin Laden and his crew to help defeat the Soviet Union or screwing Russian oil companies out of their oil contrats with Saddam? Kind of like bygones are bygones? Ha! Who is kidding who here? The Russians don't forget shit like that. Never.

When you hear about the Russians inking a deal to move into that Saudi base, you will be seeing the end of the United States as we know it today. Forget about Iran, North Korea, and Bush's "axis of evil" crap. That is nothing but smoke and mirrors, encouraged by Russia. We are about to see the changing of the guard of super power status. And we will not be one. Better start learning how to speak Russian my Democratic friends. Because its all over now but the crying. You watch and see. I think I am beginning to realize who was really behind 9/11 now. And it wasn't some nut in a cave either.

Don

[ixion]

1. you make an excellent point, Don...

The neocons, for all their arrogance, seem to have skipped much of the history of civiliztion. I guess they were too busy at the Young Republicans meeting to give history any attention.

It seems to me that the fatal flaw of any empire is that it sees itself as invincible.

[mmm]

2. you have been right on many things

i hope you are wrong this time.
smoke and mirrors?
My God, it hardly matters - if Russia and the Saudis
are working together at this point, we are fucked.
Funny, this concept never crossed my mind until now.

[2cents]

3. Sounds like...

...the Saudis are seeking an insurance policy against Bushco casting an oil hungry eye their way.

Wonder if they got a bad vibe last time at the pig farm.

[JVS]

4. Not that big a deal

Russians sell weaponry to many countries. Egypt and Syria have been steady clients of theirs for a long time. Just buying weapons from Russia doesn't mean that Russia is in control of these lands.

[NNN0LHI]

7. They are not going to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia. They don't want that

The Russians are going to move into the airbase we just abandoned. The Saudis want the nuclear umbrella that Russian has to protect them from us invading them when they jack up the price of oil to a 100 dollars a barrel and there won't be nothing we will be able to do about that accept go bankrupt. Just like Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union. Its payback time.

Don

[JVS]

10. The article never mentioned any airbase

Or Russians moving in.

[NNN0LHI]

11. Why would they mention that if that was the plan?

These are not idiots we are dealing with here. They are not a Bush.

Don

[JVS]

12. Sounds a little paranoid.

Obviously Russia is planning on blowing up the world! They didn't mention it so they must be up to no good.

Hell, if Russia comes back as a superpower I'll feel a lot of relief. At least then Bush won't be able to unilaterally invade countries without worrying about the Kremlin. MAD was a great policy of peacekeeping.

Maybe Russia and SA are talking because the American occupation of Iraq could greatly disturb OPEC's price setting ability, and thus disturb the longstanding cooperation between Russia and Opec with respect to oil.

[NNN0LHI]

14. We will see n/t

[NNN0LHI]

20. Paranoid, huh?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6672659.htm

Saudi Prince, Putin Discuss Oil Exports

http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=26035

Saudi Arabia, Russia to Sign Oil Accord

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6669103.htm

Saudi Crown Prince to Visit Moscow

<snip>Abdullah and his delegation, including Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal and Oil Minister Ali Naimi, are to meet with President Vladimir Putin and other officials during the three-day trip.

Energy issues are also expected to be high on the agenda. Saudi Arabia and Russia are the world's two largest oil exporters.

"Between them, there must be separate talks so that Saudi Arabian oil does not collide with Russian oil, and Russia does not start competition that could lead to a fall in (oil) prices," Isayev said.

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http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/09/02/49722.html

Cooperation with Saudi Arabia falls in line with Russia's long-term geopolitical and economic interests

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntm24428.htm

Russia declares Saudi Arabia as major partner in Middle East

http://english.pravda.ru/economics/2003/01/06/41655.html

Russia and Saudi Arabia discuss joint oil projects

[StandWatie]

30. the entire third world would breath a sigh of relief

if for no other reason than post-cold war they don't have the leverage to do anything. At least when they were being starved out by American policies then they could always threaten to defect to the Soviets, now they can't do anything.

[StandWatie]

29. no way...

the House of Saud is glad to see us go and they don't need another occupying army for the populace to start bitching about again.

[Wwagsthedog]

5. This really isn't recent news

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=30529&d=19&m=8&y=2003

8/19/03 - Russia believes that the forthcoming visit of Crown Prince Abdullah, deputy premier and commander of the National Guard, to the Russian Federation will usher in a new era in relations between the two countries and give a major boost to Saudi-Russian trade. Russian relations with OPEC are also expected to get a fillip by the visit.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=30279&d=14&m=8&y=2003

8/14/03 - Oil giants Saudi Arabia and Russia will sign a landmark energy accord early next month to strengthen cooperation in the petroleum and gas sectors

We do agree that the real threat to our wellbeing is the chimp administration. Lets concentrate on getting them out of Washington and letting a more informed government deal with international issues.

On edit, I can't get the links to work but the source works. Search their site using "russia" for the dates indicated above for more info.

[NNN0LHI]

8. I didn't post this as breaking news

And there won't be anything a more informed government will be able to do to stop this. Nothing!

Don

[mmm]

9. Putin the chessmaster

I hope it's not true - but I fear it might be

[stevedeshazer]

6. Woop woop

Bet the Russians can underbid Halliburton. And, the Russians still hold the keys to the Central Asian oil fields, where much of the world's remaining petroleum reserves are still untapped.

As long as we are bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Russians have the advantage.

So, where is our Neocon Super-Duper high fallutin-Putin expert fluent-in-Russian national security adviser Condoleezza Rice? Given her proven ability to interpret danger to Amerika through intelligence, she must be on the case, right?

[stickdog]

13. Russians and Saudis also behind recent Iraqi car bombs?

A question worth asking, is it not?

[NNN0LHI]

15. And who is supporting the Taliban? Someone is. n/t

[NNN0LHI]

16. Remember this just before the US invaded Iraq?

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200302/24/eng20030224_112160.shtml

Russian Envoy Primakov Visits Baghdad

Former Russian prime minister Yevgeny Primakov has arrived in Baghdad on a confidential mission, diplomatic sources said in Baghdad on Sunday.

Former Russian prime minister Yevgeny Primakov has arrived in Baghdad on a confidential mission, diplomatic sources said in Baghdad on Sunday.

The mission of the Russian envoy from President Vladimir Putin is expected to focus on how to defuse the current Iraqi crisis as the United States is piling up its threats to attack Iraq.

Russia has maintained that the Iraqi issue should be resolved peacefully through the United Nations.

The 73-year-old Primakov, who is a specialist in Arab affairs, has been well known for his close ties to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

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[Robin Hood]

17. Looks like the commies won after all.

And dumbass, fell right into their trap. And here we are in Iraq, with shit up to our ears and no real way of defending our selves, let alone dictate law.

History will prove what a monumental mistake this mis-administration is.

[qanda]

18. Stop it....

You're scaring me!!!!

[BeFree]

19. Good points

Yeah. Who thought the rest of the world would just roll over? They see the real intentions of American Empire even if we Americans are blind.

There will be some serious jockeying for alliances over the next few years, all in opposition to the US. Oil is our lifeblood and is our achille's heel. Look for the Arabians to become very united. We've pushed them into the Russian fold too boot.

These are the good old days.

[Atlant]

21. Bush always struck me as a poor poker player, not a chess player.

Bush always struck me as nothing better than a damned-poor
poker player, not a chess player. He's the kind of guy
everybody would want in the game because he's a drunk
loser with a big bank-roll that he keeps flashing to
try to impress folks.

But if it ever came to chess, he'd be so far out of his
league that he wouldn't be able to figure out which moves
are even legal.

Unfortunately, it's come to chess.

And Putin (et al.) are playing for the Russians and Bush
is playing for us.

A'yup, our pooch is definitely screwed.

Vwe govareetye par Rooskie, Gospodin?
(where's that darned Cyrillic font?)

Atlant

[Atlant]

22. (Just fooling around with Unicode...)

вы говорите русский

[Dover]

31. "......go fish, Dubya".

...

[DS1]

23. just wanted to point out a logic flaw

if Russia is capable of turning us into cinders in 30 minutes, and decided to do so, they'd have no more customers.

[NNN0LHI]

24. It is the threat that they could that would be the problem

What if we splash a couple of their Sukhoi Fighter's guarding the Saudi oil fields? Then they turn around and nuke one of our carrier battle groups to the bottom of the ocean? What do we do then? That is the question here, because I don't see anything we could do about that. Short of bringing home to port the rest of our battle groups ASAP before they end up on the bottom of the ocean too.

Don

[DS1]

26. nukes wouldn't be used over price wars

it's only lunatics that can use the nuke as a threat, and even that doesn't last very long. nukes pretty much argued themselves off the table.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. Here's an excellent site to help us in our new life:

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/language/

[Catherine Vincent]

27. "Little boots"

LMAO! that's a good one!

[NNN0LHI]

28. Russia, Saudi Arabia Sign Oil Agreements - Tuesday September 2, 2003

Russia, Saudi Arabia Sign Oil Agreements

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3099445,00.html

Tuesday September 2, 2003 7:59 PM


By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia and Saudi Arabia - the world's largest oil exporters - signed oil industry cooperation agreements Tuesday during a landmark visit to Moscow by the Arab kingdom's ruler.

The two sides also were expected to take up the sensitive question of whether rebels in the secessionist republic of Chechnya receive funding from Saudi charities.

Crown Prince Abdullah, who met with President Vladimir Putin, is the first Saudi head of state to visit post-Soviet Russia. A Saudi crown prince last visited in 1932.

``This day will go down in history as it opens a new era in the Saudi-Russian relations,'' the prince said during talks with Putin and other officials.

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