DU'ers, WE uncovered the fake votes in Gahanna

[LTRS]

Someone spotted it yesterday going through the Board of Election results. An AP article appeared this morning.

But the bigger fraud was in Florida.

Flordia ballots show huge (and I mean HUGE) numbers of DEMS supposedly voting for Bush in very Dem counties. That is indicative of wholesale theft of this election! My partner spent hours crunching numbers last night and there is no doubt - they stole FL and they probably stole Ohio as well. Trust me, we are NOT the conspiracy theorist types, and even on Wed I posting here saying "take off the tin foil hat" to people who automatically assumed it was stolen.

But it was. It really was. Check here.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

That link shows the results compared to the registered dems and reps per county. And it shows that massive numbers of dems supposedly voted for Bush.

It's just not possible that 40 and 50% of registered dems voted for Bush, but ONLY in optical scan counties. For one thing, the exit polls and pre-election polls would have reflected a massive movement for Bush from Dems. This is fraud!

I don't know how to post a spreadsheet here, but here is a summary of how they did Florida:

Summary

-- In 13 of 15 touchscreen voting counties in Florida, Dems gained over what would be expected looking at just registration percentages –more than just Dems voted for Kerry in these counties

-- But in only 7 of 52 optical scanner voting counties (15%), Dems gained over what would be expected looking at registration percentages - this seems a little odd

-- In the touchscreen counties, the average gain was 8% over what you would expect based on Dem registration, including all 15 counties

--In the optical scanner counties, the average loss was 16.6% under what you would expect based on dem registration, including all 52 counties

-- If you apply the 8% average plus the expectations based on registration that was seen in the touchscreen counties to the optical scanner counties where we saw losses in the Dem column, it's a total of 281,143.

If you add this number to Kerry’s total, and subtract this number from Bush’s…

Method
Bush Votes
Kerry Votes

Subtotal
Touchscreen
1,845,876
1,982,210

Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,950,213
1,445,675

Adjustment

-281,143
+281,143

Corrected Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,668,730
1,727,158

Corrected Total
All Methods
3,514,606 - Bush
3,709,368 - Kerry

And guess what, when you correct, it matches the exit polls!

If we could get the paper ballots rescanned in Florida with machines that had been actually checked to make sure they was no fraud going on, you would see that Kerry very likely won this election.

Every DU'er needs to use every connection at their disposal to get this looked at. Even the idea that so many dems crossed over, if it was true, should be a huge story for the press. Come on people, we worked so hard. Don't let this go without being looked into. I want to see hundreds of replies to this post, so it stays at the top. Please! Mobilize!

[Glenda]

1. kick n/t

[City Lights]

2. Has anyone contacted this woman?

Kathy Dopp, [e-mail]

Her name appears at the top of the document.

I'm going to drop her a line.

[dweller]

3. please post link to AP article

thanks
dp

[kittenpants]

4. it's on the homepage

[dweller]

6. AP or DU? n/t

[LTRS]

9. Here you go

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems&cid=694&ncid=2043

[maxsmom]

5. this has been on DU for two days now

Kathy has also already graciously offered to crunch the numbers in Ohio if someone can get her the data. No one has come forward with how to get the data, though.

[LTRS]

8. This just frustrates the hell out of me

... if we can't even get die hard democrats to pay attention to this and mobilize and get loud in unison and reach out to every connection they have, we are NEVER going to get our politicians or the press to address it. A post about this should be pinned to the top of every forum until we get enough people to make enough noise to get it looked into.

Yes, I know we have a separate forum, but no one is reading and posting there. This needs to be job one at DU right now. Our democracy depends on it and we are the biggest collection of dems on the internet - and the internet is the only place we can organize.

If we can't do that, then we deserve this ahole chimp.

[City Lights]

10. I agree completely.

These threads generate a lot of heat, but not much else. Bitching to each other is not going to change things. We actually need to do something.

[LTRS]

12. Yes, the AP story about Gahanna is proof we CAN

if we'd only try.

A DU poster and the action taken by others here is DIRECTLY what made this story hit the AP newswire this morning.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems&cid=694&ncid=2043

The Florida story is a story even if those votes really were for Bush, because it would be amazing to have that many registered dems vote for a republican in a presidential and not have the pre-election polling even hint at it.

THERE IS NO QUESTION that this is fraud, is there?

[slor]

7. As soon as the Nazi-Media touted...

how well e-voting worked, it was clear that this was stolen.

[ContinentalOp]

11. Does anyone else think that they used touchscreen as a red herring?

And once the scrutiny was on touchscreen voting and everyone was watching that, they went ahead and stole it through the optical scan machines. They gave the dems an actual advantage on the touchscreen machines to try to mask the huge advantage given to * on the op-scan systems.

[LTRS]

13. Yes, that is exactly what they did

They knew the focus was on the touch screens so they rigged the optical scans instead. But optical scans have a paper trail. That is why we have to do something. This is fraud that can be PROVED if only someone will look at it.

[Hutzpa]

14. Kick!!!!

:kick:

[wildflower]

15. kick n/t

[kimchi]

16. I want to help.

But I don't know exactly what to do. Please give us all the numbers and graphs; preferably on sites so we can give the URL. I don't know how to send that huge graph, which is the best representation of the data. Also, it would be useful to have ALL the states graphed out, and arranged in categories. All I can do is type and hit the buttons so I'm no help in that area.

I'm willing to mail it to anyone and everyone, but I think our presentation needs to be better; or we have even less chance of being taken seriously. Has anyone heard back from any of the news sites besides Kos? Has anyone gotten hold of the Kerry camp, and can show that they know this is going on? Would they be behind us, or do they think we are crazy?

[lynne k]

17. The statistical trend is strong.

I've looked through the graphs, and although no tests of statistical significance were done, I can tell by eyeballing it that the results would be highly significant.

Translation: something weird but real is going on. Optical voting in small precincts shows a strong shift away from Democratic votes. Other forms of voting, and other sizes of precincts, do not show this effect.

Why not in large precincts? Small precincts are more affected by small effects - that is, if I add 1000 votes for my candidate in a small precinct, it will be an obvious effect, while if I do that in a large precinct, it won't be noticed.

Why the difference between optical and touchscreen voting? No idea.

Why in favor of Republicans instead of Democrats? No idea.

There could be an underlying correlation that explains this. Smaller precincts might be more rural, which correlates with religious conservatism, which may have shifted towards Republicans due to fear and wedge issues. Likewise, those smaller precincts might have opted for optical voting, whereas larger ones installed touchscreen machines.

Or there might have been ballot stuffing that was enabled by the optical voting method, and it was more noticeable in smaller precincts.

Either way, it seems newsworthy. But as presented, it is very difficult even to figure out what the trend is - it needs to be clearly stated. A simple graph - one that makes the point. I feel like I'm guessing at what you mean from the figures. A statistical test would be helpful as well.

[LTRS]

18. I'm not a statistician

That is why I am trying to get someones attention here, which has proved to be utterly impossible. Our democracy is just not that important, apparently.