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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:08 PM
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Exit polls in paper ballot states versus computer voting states.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 07:09 PM by Postman
Thom Hartmann's radio show today. Thom stated that Vermont's exit polls matched up with the paper ballots cast.

In states with computer voting the exit polls didn't match up.

Bev Harris, Black Box Voting.org is filing FOIA requests nationwide.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:10 PM
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1. And I hope they don't forget the trashed Dem registrations
And the 58,000 missing Florida ballots and on and on and on, ad nauseam

Heil bush, King Banana Republican
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:11 PM
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2. what is FOIA requests? I hope people will finally wake up
to the way these computer voting machines steal elections.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:12 PM
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3. Freedom of Information Act. n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:13 PM
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4. I hope someone was TIVOing or Taping last night...
Republican pollster on MSNBC: "It seems the exit polling is under-counting the Bush vote by about 3 percent"...

Wow. What Fascinatingly partisan, specific phenomenon.

Either that, or something is slappin' an extra 3% on Bush's numbers.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:17 PM
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8. A message to the media......
fix your exit poll data. CNN did.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:13 PM
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5. exactly. And on the news tonight they're bashing exit polling and
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 07:23 PM by jean
scolding bloggers for depending on those numbers. They do not mention word one about BBV or suspicion about evoting machines.

I went over to Bev's BBV site today and donated - she's filing a ton of FOIA requests regarding evoting and it will cost about $55,000 to handle all the fees.

Here's the url:
http://blackboxvoting.org/

And here's the article on the Freedom of Information Act filings:

Voting without auditing. (Are we insane?)

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON Nov 3 2004 -- Did the voting machines trump exit polls? There’s a way to find out.

Black Box Voting (.ORG) is conducting the largest Freedom of Information action in history. At 8:30 p.m. Election Night, Black Box Voting blanketed the U.S. with the first in a series of public records requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from 3,000 individual counties and townships. Networks called the election before anyone bothered to perform even the most rudimentary audit.

America: We have permission to say No to unaudited voting. It is our right.

Among the first requests sent to counties (with all kinds of voting systems -- optical scan, touch-screen, and punch card) is a formal records request for internal audit logs, polling place results slips, modem transmission logs, and computer trouble slips.

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Such a request filed in King County, Washington on Sept. 15, following the primary election six weeks ago, uncovered an internal audit log containing a three-hour deletion on election night; “trouble slips” revealing suspicious modem activity; and profound problems with security, including accidental disclosure of critically sensitive remote access information to poll workers, office personnel, and even, in a shocking blunder, to Black Box Voting activists.

Black Box Voting is a nonpartisan, nonprofit consumer protection group for elections. You may view the first volley of public records requests here: Freedom of Information requests here

Responses from public officials will be posted in the forum, is organized by state and county, so that any news organization or citizens group has access to the information. Black Box Voting will assist in analysis, by providing expertise in evaluating the records. Watch for the records online; Black Box Voting will be posting the results as they come in. And by the way, these are not free. The more donations we get, the more FOIAs we are empowered to do. Time's a'wasting.

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:16 PM
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7. A good place for the useless big hitters to donate
the campaign, Soros, the tweaky ads from Ove On. This should have been a front line battle in 2002.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:15 PM
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6. Yeah, well, all we have to do is get a referendum on the various
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 07:15 PM by impeachdubya
states' ballots, asking whether EV machines should be required to have a paper trail... Then, the people can vote on it!...

On paper-trail free EV machines.

Or, we can run candidates who support paper trails in voting machines! And the people can vote for them!

...On paper trail free EV machines.

Man, they've screwed us but good, haven't they?

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:25 PM
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9. You could get it done though
You just have to convince the Reds that the Democrats are going to hack the election.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:25 PM
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10. A bit of a box, isn't it.
I don't know what good it will do, but, if I was in the leadership of the Democratic Party, I'd conduct an extensive canvassing/polling of all Democrats, Independents, and Republicans who voted 11/2. Maybe get those that voted for Kerry to sign affidavits to that effect. Let's analyze who really voted and compare that to the actual results. It might not change anything, but the information might be quite enlightening for future elections.

The other option is to change our membership to Republican and start fighting them in the primaries from the inside.
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