We need to start identifying a candidate for 2008. And Hillary

[Fla Dem]

isn't the one. I love Hillary Clinton, but she is too much of a ligtning rod for the RW. Who is out there we can all get behind that has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected? I really respect Joe Biden and think he would make a great president.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Wesley Clark/Russ Feingold

[Tummler]

11. Bingo

Or possibly Clark/Obama, if we really want to swing for the fences.

[Danmel]

17. Feingold

There isn't a chance in hell this country will elect a Jew as President. Not after this election and the force of the Christian right. How could they vote for someone who doesn't have Christmas??They couldn't possibly understand.

[Zynx]

39. Who cares about the Religious Right?

It's not like they can vote *more* for the Republicans.

[JBoris]

43. You meant to say Jewish president

unless your a freeping bigot

[NYCGirl]

2. And even if Hillary didn't have the baggage she does, the US is not yet

ready for a woman president. As a woman, that worries me, but it's just being realistic.

[taxismom]

4. We need

to run to the left, left left....Kucinich,Dean, Feingold,

[NYCGirl]

38. Feingold did very well yesterday. And Dean is not that "left".

NT

[truhavoc]

3. Fuck the RW, I want a candidate that is a lighting rod!

We need somebody with character to get people back on our side...women will show up at the poll in droves to vote for her! It also depends who runs in 08 for the repugs!

[Chichiri]

5. Obama?

Do you think we could pull that off in spite of his inexperience?

[taxismom]

12. Please!

African Americans still can't get their votes *counted* in this country!

[flygal]

35. No, but I think he'll help give the dem party a ton of help!...

I have red necky repug friends who liked him! He's very non-controversial.

[Eagle_Eye]

6. Hillary is a lighting rod because

The repugs FEAR HER! They are staging a premptive strike by constantly attacking her because the pugs know she can win and win big

[LuminousX]

8. Too many standard Dems dislike Hillary

Myself being one of them. A good politician, an awful leader.

[fugue]

19. Me, too!

I'm her constituent, and I am very unhappy with her performance.

[Hardball]

28. Me 3

I am also one of her constituents and I, too, am very unhappy with her performance.

[LuminousX]

7. Don't look to the Senate

Senate voting records are too confusing for the average American.

We need to scour the business community and Governorships.

[Eagle_Eye]

9. Lee Iococca supported Kerry

We could have an Iococca / Clinton ticket. Then in 2012 Hillary could run for president

[gordianot]

15. Right too much baggage in the Senate.

On the other hand we do not need an unskilled idiot like *.

I still think he was selected not elected.

[H2O Man]

10. I like this building

that we call the democratic party. And it needs some repairs. We need to think of the future.

That said, I'd suggest we work on the foundation first. We can worry about the roof later.

[Dhalgren]

22. Right! Dems should work on the states, the governorships,

the House and the Senate, then worry about the Pres.

[H2O Man]

32. Yep.

School board. Mayor. Town Councilman/woman. State representative. Build from the bottom up.

[flygal]

36. RIGHT! I'm so hopeful after hear Obama! And my red state elected

a DEM gov - first one in 16 years!! We can do this - I'm finally starting to see ahead to the future and it starts in 2006!!!

[MallRat]

13. Mark Warner, Virginia governor?

n/t

[Adams Wulff]

14. Biden has baggage...

I speak of a plagiarism charge a few years back.

[NYCGirl]

20. I think he's probably lived that down. (eom)

NT

[Crunchy Frog]

16. I will join a Draft Clark '08 organization

as soon as one is formed. I think that he has the stuff of a brilliant politician, he just got started too late and was a neophyte.

He's learned a whole lot about campaigning since then and I think he would be really viable next time around.

[Abelman]

25. Start. One.

Don't sit around waiting for someone else to start one.

Do it yourself.

[ThoughtCriminal]

27. I definitely want Clark on the ticket!

certainly VP if not President.

[tedoll78]

34. I was a Deanie last time around.

But this time, I am on-board.

Hillary - or any other liberal icon, or any other "NorthEastern liberal" - will drive-up GOP turnout.

A Southern General might be our best chance.

[billyskank]

42. While I agree that Clinton may not be the best choice

but I think we should not fall into the trap of being blinded by military credentials. That was part of the thinking with Kerry; "how can they call him weak on terror? He's a decorated war hero!" Such was also the thinking with Clark. But it's misguided; the VRWC can smear anybody as weak and unpatriotic. You can't have forgotten the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth.

The charges don't have to be true! They can easily avoid being caught in a blatant lie (like that seems to matter anyway - NOT) by having third parties make the smear for them.

So don't waste your effort trying to find a candidate who will appeal to the right. The right will always go with the real thing anyway, and you don't necessarily have to be centre-right to capture the middle.

Find a candidate who appeals to you. Someone who's true. If they're true, and unafraid, they'll do well with the undecided middle anyway. No doubt about it.

[Hello_Kitty]

18. I can't think of anyone right now - thinking hurts but

At the same time, who've the pukes got for 2008?

[Fla Dem]

44. Jeb Bush and Rudy, for 2 n/t

[Skip Intro]

21. KERRY - again

We need someone to say "I told you so" and "here's a second chance."

We need to be able to say "we believed in him then, and we still believe in him."

Before the primaries, I was hoping for Gore this year, much for those same reasons.

[Capn Sunshine]

23. Does the name Howard Dean ring any bells?

You're going to have to hit the ground running to get by him with anyone.

The DFA will have a 6 year head start, and the sooner the rest of the party realizes he was right, the better off you'll be.

Or maybe the DLC will have formulated a surefire plan by then, like the last three elections.

[Larkspur]

24. "Aye! Aye!" Capn.

[UNIXcock]

26. Looking forward to ...

...

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. HOWARD BRUSH DEAN!!!

No substitutes accepted.

[JPJones]

37. Dean couldn't beat Kerry among Democrats n/t

[HereSince1628]

30. Well, it isn't all that urgent, lets get a good analysis underway

then let's learn the hard lessons, whatever they are.

I'm not really ready to concede this election, let alone start identifying new horses to run in the 2008 race. Kerry might have quit but I didn't.

Enron, Halliburton, 9/11, Lies, lies, Failed war (Afganistan/Terror), Wrong war (Iraq), Plame, Corruption of Intelligence, Infiltration of Defense by foreign agents, all provide plenty to keep chewing on.

[saracat]

31. There is no 2008.

[flygal]

33. Agree - no controversial figures again..

I liked what I saw of Biden during the election - and Edwards got me totally fired up tonight (and his wife ROCKS!)

[Spirochete]

40. It looks to me

as if we're going to have to come up with a sociopathic military deserter who can hardly pronounce his own name, because that seems to be who people are voting for.

[AG78]

41. Well from what

I hear, the Democrats need to run a southern Governor who will govern from at least the middle. They might have a chance to win that way...might. Clinton got help from Perot in 92, and Dole didn't give much of a fight in 96.

Until this system we live in collapses, America will continue to slide to the right. The left just cannot win(I know, I know, be positive!). The culture war is too strong. With a global economy(and the damn culture war), economic issues are basically off the table.

They gained power in the House. They gained power in the Senate. They not only kept the White House, they now have the popular vote by 3.5 million votes.

After everything that's happened, to lose that badly, it's amazing.

And if there was unseen electronic voter fraud, that makes things that much tougher.

This is America, and it is frightening.

[Cyrix]

45. Silly

Talking about this when it is 4 years (maybe) away. I say maybe because you make a big assumption that they will allow elections. Who knows what will happen between now and then. We have NO idea at this point who would be a good candidate.