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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:35 AM
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should BushCo be prosecuted under a Kerry administration? . . .
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 02:37 AM by OneBlueSky
I think they should . . .

Kerry's inclination will be not to pursue the many areas of obvious illegality engaged in by BushCo, everything from Halliburton to the Plame incident to Cheney's energy meetings . . . like Gerald Ford with Nixon, he'll be inclined to put our "great national nightmare" behind us and look to the future . . . further, bringing to light just how fucked up things are, especially fiscally, could dramatically weaken the US in the world community, perhaps with devasating results . . . this is precisely why Clinton didn't reveal just how bad the mess he inherited from the first Bush was . . .

however . . .

just because Kerry wins doesn't mean that the fundie right wing is going away . . . they're organized, they're well funded, and they'll waste little time going after Kerry just the way they went after Clinton . . . particularly if Congress remains Republican (or even just the House) . . . they'll put the Kerry administration on the defensive from Day 1 . . .

which is why Kerry should go on offense (something Democrats haven't been good at) and put THEM on the defensive from Day 1 . . . they'll yell and holler and scream bloody murder about how Kerry is persecuting Bush and his cronies, but better they should spend their time and their fortune defending themselves rather than undermining Kerry initiatives . . . which they're going try to do anyhow . . . so he should at least force them to split their focus . . .

further -- and perhaps most important -- the American people (particularly Bush supporters) have a right to know just exactly what BushCo was all about . . . and how much of the nation's wealth shifted into the pockets of their cronies during the past four years . . .

bottom line is that they'll be coming after Kerry with both barrels, and he'll be a lot better off if the battle is conducted on HIS terms rather than theirs . . .
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:38 AM
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1. Once exposed . . .many will face charges I believe.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:44 AM
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4. He has no choice, people have to know that they were completely lied to.
Man folks are going to be mad at the media, the only way to gey out of it now is to suck up to Kerry big time.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:44 AM
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2. I think they are really worried about a Kerry presidency
He was a relentless prosecutor, went after the Mafia with both barrels. Then he brought down the BCCI for funding drugs and terrorism in the '80s. He WILL go after them and they know it.
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Pierre Trudeau Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:44 AM
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3. I certainly hope so

I am personally looking forward to the Rumsfeld trial, and I have even purchased a bottle of champagne for the occasion.

:evilgrin:
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Daisey Mae Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:48 AM
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5. Kerry should.....
and not play defence......He's a prosrcuter..... good
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:58 AM
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6. If I were President Kerry
If I were Kerry, as president, I would try to unify the country with a middle-of-the road administration that includes representatives from all political viewpoints. I would choose a few moderate Republican advisers and even include a couple of Republicans in my cabinet. I would conduct policy forums that permit people of differing viewpoints to participate. I would listen and respond to all honest participants in a respectful, intelligent manner. In other words, after the many years of rancor and hate, I would try to establish a political climate in which informed policy discussion replaces the hate and simplistic finger-pointing.

At the same time, I would investigate and bring to justice all those who participated in or profited from the corruption of the current administration. This means not just people like DeLay, but also the so-called businessmen like Lay, etc.

I think Kerry, who combines the qualities of a statesman and a prosecutor can do this. I believe that all Americans will respond if they find that their concerns are not dismissed or ridiculed but are addressed with respect.

For example, I believe that, of all people, Kerry is capable of ridding the nation of the festering sore that the abortion issue has caused. He understands people on both sides of the issue and will establish policies that satisfy them both.

Kerry has united Democrats. He can unite the country. Let's get out the vote so we can be the America we ought to be.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:14 AM
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8. my fear is that this country is past the point
of where it can be unified.. It would take much work, and decades to undo the horrific damage bush has caused.. anyone know bush the uniter?
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:50 PM
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21. no on bringing Repugs into administration
it never works

KL
yes to prosecution
the list of laws broken is lengthening
an example must be made so there can be no confusion later
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:58 PM
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23. If Kerry wants to unite the country, he can't play nice.
He has to break up the corporate media, and he has to completely destroy the right-wing submedia. He should extend the FCC's jurisdiction to cable, reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine, and put someone in charge of the FCC who isn't afraid to make alot of enemies.

Until the Neocon/Fundamentalist propaganda machine is shut down, there won't be much progress, and certainly no unity.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:09 AM
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7. The guilty should not get a free ride, investigate and prosecute
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:36 AM
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9. YES!








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politick Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:54 PM
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14. Swamp Rat...
Pardon my ignorance, but how do you post images in your replies? I cannot seem to figure it out. And it's quite upsetting. Quite upsetting....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:28 PM
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35. Go to this website
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IMSA Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:36 AM
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10. No
The county's split and prosecuting BushCo is only going to split it more. Smartest thing Ford ever did was to pardon Nixon. I hated him for it when he did it, but looking back on the pardon now, it was a smart move. Get Bush and Co out of office and lets get on with uniting America again and see if we can all work together.

IMSA
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:42 AM
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11. NO,NO,NO!
They need to be punished.
Law and order party?
Freakin rethugs just want to steal as much as they can.
Bastards should rot in jail for what they have done to my country.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:50 PM
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13. That sounds like something that a member of the...
...GOP would say, especially now that it looks like the GOP is going to lose the election.

Additionally, Ford pardoned Nixon because that was his job as an unelected damege-control fireman...to protect his party and the GOP's reputation. Nixon knew where all of the bodies were buried, including "that Bay of Pigs thing", a subject that would have led to quite a few VERY unpleasant things for the GOP.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:24 PM
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12. kick . . . any more viewpoints? . . . n/t
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:06 PM
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15. Absolutely. We need to stomp on the idea that repuke admins are above
the law. Beginning with the Nixon pardon, and continued with the Iran Contra pardons, the message that has been communicated that all kinds of illegal and treasonous behavior is excusable if a repuke claims is was all done for god and country. If the BFEE is allowed to run free after this, the precedent that was set with Nixon and Reagan will be firmly solidified in the nations traditions. Their attitude that they know better what is right for America than the Constitution and the citizens is a dangerous notion that MUST be stopped now.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:15 PM
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16. Absolutely! If he doesn't, I'll never forgive such corrupt cowardice.
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 02:16 PM by TahitiNut
Enron. Halliburton. War profiteering. Crimes against humanity. Fraud. The "rule of law" cannot survive if the wealthy and powerful are not brought to justice for their obscene violations of international law and human rights.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:18 PM
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17. absolutely...with gusto
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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:19 PM
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18. Number one is to investigate 9-11
The one big question kerry should ask is "who turned off the air force on sept 11, 2001."

No way the arabs could have done that. That required the involvement of our govt.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:19 PM
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19. GODDAMN RIGHT! Bringing justice to terrorists starts at HOME
n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:36 PM
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20. Kerry HAS TO expose for the country that the repug party is MAFIA run...
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 02:40 PM by loudsue
The repuke party has been embezzling money out of many gullible Americans for too long, and it's time the public knew what we know here: the neocons are nothing but mafia thugs. And I, personally, want every Dem that is or has been COMPLICIT in these crooked schemes gets prosecuted, as well. (Think Dem Sec. of State, Cathy Cox of Georgia, conflict of interest w/ Diebold.)

Until these people are exposed for who they are and what they've done, Americans will continue to think with blinders on. It will literally take YEARS to educate America on how they can be hoodwinked, and how they HAVE been hoodwinked, to the point that we almost fell to fascism.

If Kerry appoints Eliot Spitzer as Atty. General, or someone of his caliber, we can get to work.

Of course, the first thing we need to do is RE-REGULATE the media, by re-instituting the Fairness Doctrine. IMMEDIATELY!! And then cleaning up the election process so that we will never again go through these voting day nightmares.

If Kerry fails to do this, we will see the rise, ONCE AGAIN, of the same group of thugs that Nixon, Reagan and Bush I & II have had running the government. If we don't EXPOSE them and PROSECUTE them to the full extent of the law, THEY WILL RISE TO POWER AGAIN IN THIS COUNTRY!!! Count on it.

I want these fascists, that even President Eisenhower warned us about, to be run out of this country PERMANENTLY. If not, we'll still be open to their brand of terrorism. In fact, I have every idea that they are the ones that have given rise to the terrorists we now face, due to their "drug and arms dealing for profit" actions.

(Edited for spelling <oops! twice! >
:kick::kick::kick:
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:51 PM
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22. He Must!
If not, history will repeat itself. At least now, we know what can happen when these shitheads hold onto powerful positions.

Neocons, you are on notice! :mad:
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:01 PM
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24. The first thing he should do is reinstitute some of the Clinton rules,
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 03:02 PM by drscm
especially the one in which government contracts will not be given to companies that have been convicted of defrauding the government or have paid fines for the same. (Halliburton) This would close down a lot of *Bush's cronies.

In addition, the government should shut down awards to companies who shelter taxes offshore. This would limit more of his cronies.

Third, every case presented to the Justice Dept should be reviewed. It is clear that this administration believes that its THEIR Justice Department and not the peoples.

Next, he should review every appointment made under Bush, including the new CIA chief, and replace the political appointees with competent people.

The list goes on, but Kerry has the power to shut down some of the cronyism through executive order and the normal workings of the Justice Dept without specifically going after Bush, per se.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:02 PM
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25. It's the right thing to do
These people have commited multiple crimes against many people at home and around the world. We can only have respect and expect respect if we persue this.
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:02 PM
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26. yes, every last one of them
keep them neocons busy for the next 4 years, with no time to attack President Kerry
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:03 PM
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27. Without a doubt.
I will be very disappointed if they don't. I will then start considering them part of the problem. I know they won't be able to do it right away. There is too big of a mess to mop up initially, but I would like to see it done sometime down the road in Kerry's administration.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:42 PM
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28. If These Bastards Are Exposed...
Kerry gets a UNIFIED Country to lead. He'll get two terms as well.
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fwiff Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 03:45 PM
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29. Yes, but very carefully and without seeming to have a direct hand
And only the big things.
Let other people (other Senators & Congresspeople) start the process.
Assign a special investigator, or several for different charges, and build the cases from the ground up, starting small and building upon it until all evidence is irrefutable.

He has to remain presidential and not directly (visibly)involved, seeking truth, not vengeance. The better he is able to do that, the less partisan rifts will be. There will also be some repug's who are not neo-cons or want to promote their own careers who should be drawn in so the process is the least overtly partisan as possible.

Let violations of the Geneva convention and war crimes be handled by the Hague unless the military can be pressured into a real house cleaning.
If all of these things go unaddressed, the monster's still alive and just waiting for an oppotunity.
I've been seeing a disturbing trend through all parts of society where no one is accountable anymore. Has anyone else been thinking about this?
Remember how hounded the Clintons were? It will be worse unless dem's go on an offensive against people who subvert our constitution for their own ends.
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:39 PM
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30. I agree - another reason - Kerry needs to set an example
of what will happen if anyone ever again dares to try any shit like this cabal has done.

After all, isn't prevention of future crimes by others one major rationale for our criminal justice system?

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 05:57 PM
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31. Only if their attempts to tamper with the election are successfull....
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 05:58 PM by AntiFascist
Bringing down American democracy is very serious business, and those who aid in the effort should be very seriously dealt with, if you know what I mean!
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:05 PM
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32. No Prosecution
I am truly afraid if we found out the truth we could not handle it. Maybe a trial of reconciliation similar to what occurred in South Africa.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:10 PM
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33. America has been living on lies for forty years
- The Warren Commission's cover-up of the Kennedy assassination.

- Ford's pardon of Nixon.

- The completely uninvestigated October Surprise (1980 vintage.)

- Bush Sr.'s pardons of the main Iran-Contra figures (and Clinton not feeling secure enough to push the investigations after he took office.)


Because of these things, the voting public has never gotten a clear idea of the degree to which corruption, fraud, and hidden violence have been controlling the direction of this country.

We need to not just prosecute individual wrongdoers, but to drag the whole sorry mess out into the light of day and make it clear that there has been an entire criminal class eating away at the heart of our democratic system. And we have to do it now, because if we don't, we will never have another chance.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:16 PM
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34. YES! Every last one of them.
I want to see every cabinet member investigated, tried, convicted and hauled off in orange jumpsuits and handcuffs. Kerry led the Iran Contra investigation and I'm sure THAT is in the minds of the repukes. They have to be shaking in their boots. I can't wait for the day they're all sent to jail. They destroyed this country and must pay for it. Bastards.
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