Chris Matthews is gay. Today gushing about Dean's "muscular arms"

[DemLikr]

I disagree with those on this board who feel that the sexuality--as distinguished from specific, private sexual practices/acts--of public people is irrelevant.

A person who keeps the structure of their personal life, including their sexual orientation and activities, in the shadows, is by defautlt declaring same to be worthy of shame.

Whatever the case, I believe gay/bisexual/closeted journalists who pretend to be straight are particularly bogus when they have no compunction about commmenting on the personal lives of political figures, ie. Tweetster/Clinton's cock.

Given Chris' fondness for Howard's arms and Shrub's flight suit codpiece, it makes perfect sense that he obsessed for two years about Bill Clinton's male member, does it not? He was envious of Monica's access, and his frustration and jealousy made him disproportionately fixated.

I'm a gay man. I dig Howard's arms and neck too. But I'm not on national television hawking Shrub's "manliness" and "leadership" while I live a personal life of deception and self-loathing, then, am I?

Thoughts?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Chris Matthews has some issues about...

his own sexuality!!! That's why he's so weak!!!

:puke:

:eyes:

[DemLikr]

6. Please clarify. Does this post mean anything?

Thanks!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

11. Remember last May how Chris was gushing over...

our Fuhrers Flight Suit and how "Manly" he looked in it!!!
After hearing this little bit about Dean one has to wonder if Mr. Tweety has a need to admire other men to make up for his own, well....short comings!

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

12. Oh my gosh

You're right...

I think that's it.

[rocktivity]

23. Originally posted by Progressive 1

Remember last May how Chris was gushing over our Fuhrers Flight Suit and how "Manly" he looked in it!!!

Here's the actual quote (May 1, 2003). I was so apalled I tracked down the transcript and saved it:
"We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war."


rocknation

[bearfartinthewoods]

76. it means we have a very long way to go before being gay is no big deal

and supposed liberals are part of the problem.

[LittleApple81]

2. Gay or Straight, the perception I get is that he is a "waffler" on his

coverage of the news... emphasizing whatever is convenient at that point (I cannot watch him regularly because I do not have extended cable services).
Being a closet gay might influence his personality and news analysis, but I think I would like to see people commenting on what they saw in the program more than trying to "out" or "disembarrass" Chris Matthews.

[Cocoa]

3. I think he's a eunuch

he does whatever it takes to serve Bush. If it takes playing a gay man that admires Bush's crotchal area he'll do that. If it takes pretending to be antiwar, then suddenly seeing the light and supporting it, then he'll do that. If Bush decides that Dean is easiest to beat, and Bush wants the whores to push Dean, and he wants Tweety to be gay about him, he'll do that. You really can't take Tweety at face value.

[G_j]

4. I have mixed feelings

If someone is going after others on personal sexual issues, then they are fair game. IMO

Aside from that, what makes sexuality different than other parts of someone's personal life such as medical conditions etc.?
Just posing the question..

BTW, I know absolutely nothing about Mathews for I rarely watch the tube.

[donco6]

8. I agree with you.

Except in instances where they are bashing others for THEIR sexuality, then perhaps its fair game.

[virtualobserver]

5. I am straight, so I'll trust that you would be in a better position...

to judge what Matthews is projecting, but I had felt that Matthews had a "crush" on Bush. I had noticed his interest in Dean, but I had attributed it to Matthews attraction to politicians who are forceful.

[chaumont58]

7. I'll back anyone that will say something bad about Tweety

I think you should apply the repukelican standard: No bottom, no depth to which you cannot go.

[DemLikr]

9. Clarification: Tweetster's BAD is his concealment, his duplicity

I would respect his honesty if he just said, "I think Howard Dean is fucking hot, and his muscular arms cause me to ovulate."

All this subliminal, partially-suppressed homoeroticism, on the other hand, is sort of creepy...

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

10. Tweety is hard to figure out.

I think he is just attracted to strong politicians who are into power and that sort of thing.

Or he might be uncomfortable with his preference. I don't think it's cool that he gushes all over the candidates either. That would be like Paula Zhan gushing over Bush... ewwww! :D

on edit: Please note I have no problem with Tweety being gay or not. My deal is that I think it's very unprofessional to gush over the interviewee in general. peace.

[bearfartinthewoods]

80. it's not strange if you consider where he grew up and when and who his

heroes were. philly pols of the era were all about power and charisma. it's totally understandable that he's atune to those qualities and associates them with leadership.

but of course, it's much easier for some to prefer the titter factor, grab their crotches and declare 'tweety's gay' with glee.

and then someone up thread had the balls to question why people prefer to keep their sexuality private....

un fucking believable

[DemLikr]

93. Your circular reasoning renders a response pointless.

The crux of my argument is that Tweety IS hiding what I believe to be his true sexuality behind a false facade, even as he promotes political figures who oppose gay equality.

How does the hypocrisy of that situation escape you?

And how does he possess some right to not be called on it?

[Name removed]

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[DemLikr]

134. "Blahblahblahfreeperblahblahfreeperblahfreeper..." the best U can do?

:eyes:

[birdman]

13. I don't think Matthews is gay

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

We're a rather shallow society in a lot of ways
and in politics appearance matters. Matthews is
a student of politics and it's quite possible that
he simply gushes about the skillful use of appearances
in politics.

John F. Kennedy almost certainly would never have become
President were it not for his cool movie star-like appearance
during his debates with the rather reptilian appearing Nixon.

Dean uses his rolled-up sleeves to make him look both
hard-working and casual. It's a political calculation
just a the little idiot's "brush clearing" is supposed
to project a certain image.

Dennis Kucinich will never be President for numerous reasons
but his appearance is certainly one of them.

[OKNancy]

21. You're getting close to what I think about this

Chris is one of those guys who think our society devalues masculine traits. He thinks Clinton was a backward step. He wants to translate the personal into the political.

A strong guy means a strong country.

Too bad he doesn't realize that a step forward for a more compassionate society doesn't devalue men.

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. Outing

I think outing has no place on a "progressive" board.

[KG]

22. well, you've obviously mistaken DU for a progessive board...

hasn't been for many months. :(

[robbedvoter]

24. And you should be the authority on what's "progressive"

Still think the recall is democratic?

[Muddleoftheroad]

27. Yes I do with a little "d"

But I don't think outing is either democratic or progressive or moral or just for that matter.

[DemLikr]

29. Outing repressed closet cases who promote anti-gay bigots is a GREAT thing

and JUST and RIGHT and I enjoy seeing these self-loathing hypocrites squirm when the facts come out.

As always, folks like you seem to feel that it is the sexual orientation that is the problem...WRONG. It is the deceit as a way of life.

This homo don't buy that shit no mo.

[robbedvoter]

39. Exactly. I used to keep this great quote from Brock's book - paraphrase:

"here I was in my hiding in my closet and accusing Clinton of having a twisted sexual life"

[Muddleoftheroad]

53. Nice moralizing

I'm glad you are so high and mighty to make life choices for others when you don't know whether you are right or not.

[newsguyatl]

58. DemLikr

you're exactly right, well said!

[JasonBerry]

64. DemLikr --- What's Up With This????

"Outing repressed closet cases who promote anti-gay bigots is a GREAT thing."

1. First of all, the above statement reads like you KNOW he is a "closet case." We ALL know that you are only GUESSING.

2. Since when is straight-bashing allowed on DU? When you are "outing" someone as gay, when they may or may not be, can you not see that as bashing a man for his sexual orientation? Whether he be straight or gay -- YOU are making it an issue!

3. Since you are a gay man, I have to ask you: Would you be offended if someone insisted that you weren't actually gay? That you were a "closet straight" who can't come to terms with realization that he wasn't what he thought he was?

4. Your response to posters on this board is quite shocking. For someone who must live day-to-day trusting that more people will become enlightened on this issue and become more tolerant - how can you be so intolerant of the opinion of others?????

With that said, I can't stand Chris Matthews. He is a waffling, pandering journalist who has made the full plunge as a talking head with an opinion. But, which opinion - on which day? However, I think your posts have been incredibly immature and angry toward individuals on this board. I have disagreements with many of the same people at times, but I like each and every one of them. So few people even bother to care about politics, that we should be glad we have progressives here, willing to spend time discussing the world; and MOST can do it by discussing the issues and not get into petty, angry postings which show a serious chip on their shoulder.

I hope you'll become a little more tolerant and see DU for what it is - a divergent source of information with differing opinions, and a board that for the most part is not the Jerry Springer Show of political discourse

[bearfartinthewoods]

130. so you like watching them squirm do you?

you really get off watching these people who you have decided are gay squirm. you know something? this doesn't surprise me at all.

i've known other people who got their rocks off watching people who they decided were gay squirm. i know the type. sick little homophobes who automaticly see any comment on the appearance of a member of the same sex as "gay". people who can't conceive that there could be other reasons, or no particular reason at all for a man to like the looks of another man.

guess what...i think John Edwards is very attractive. i like the way he carries himself. he has a great smile and good hair. i even like the way he walks.

i like the way John Kerry walks as well. he has an easy gait, especially considering his height which sometimes makes for an awkward gait. i even like his face, when he smiles, because his eyes light up.

Howard Dean has a very muscular upper body. it makes him appear powerful,which is probably why he rolls up his sleeves so people notice. one of the best pictures i've ever seen of Dean was one i found of him, taken while hiking Vermont's Long Trail...a very appealing picture which showed a youthful enthusiasm that is very compelling.

you see, a straight guy can apprechiate and even find another man attractive. it doesn't need a gay man to see physical beauty.

take your glee at their squirming elsewhere or keep it in the dark where it belongs.

[DemLikr]

135. I'll watch the squirming right here where you can see me, thank you.

Day 2 and you're still hanging out in this thread, preaching at me.

I know what I think and who I am and what I believe, and if your life experience is what you say it is, my frame of reference is much more complete on this topic than is yours.

So take your "evil" and your "freeper" and your other sad little slobbering slurs and pack em, buddy.

[bearfartinthewoods]

152. day 2 and you are still pushing this line of bull

i've been fighting people with this mindset since i was 18 years old.

two days ain't nuthin'

as to who's life experience best prepared them to evaluate the effects of slimy little rumor mongerers, when he was 21, one of my best friends killed himself because slimy little rumour mongerers could not shut the fuck up and give him a chance to come to terms with his life.

everyday people eiher think about or do kill themselves because they are just not able to take the shit that people like you squirm to dish out.

i'm not going to ever EVER step back and let this shit happen without a fight.

[DemLikr]

153. I am sorry for your loss and your sorrow.

However, having lived through much the same thing in my youth as your friend, I gather from the experience the lesson that treating one's humanity as a source of shame only perpetuates the stigma, and ensures that more gay kids will kill themselves, abuse drugs and alcohol, or live lives of self-hatred.

It is my view that by pushing closeted public figures to personal integrity we help to create a social climate in which more kids will accept who they are from the very beginning.

When you insist that I must adopt your mindset on this topic, and that you alone possess the CORRECT perspective, you are doing your friend's memory no honor.

[Muddleoftheroad]

154. Perhaps because

Your mindset inflicts pain on someone.

[bearfartinthewoods]

155. so let me get this straight...

somehow, despite the gleeful tone of your original post, you have , now convinced yourself that your motives are pure.

how does the pain you inflict with your alleged pure motives differ from the pain inflicted by the the rest of the gleeful titterers who right now...right NOW..this very instant, are torturing some poor guy with their perceptions of his sexuality.

how does it hurt less when you do it?

[robbedvoter]

37. Ha!ha! I just outed you! (ideologically).

[DemLikr]

41. Hmmm...I don't get it. Please elaborate.

thanks.

[Name removed]

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[robbedvoter]

15. Agree. Those who watched him during Gore's concession

described a similar revelation - down to his voice becoming hoarse. I believe that there is a political trigger for tweety's libido, considering that that was the only time Gore excited him.

[catpower2000]

16. Chris Matthews is a shithead...

whether he's gay or not is totally irrelevant. This thread is both pointless and offensive.

Cat

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

17. Agreed

It doesn't matter if he is gay or not. I was commenting more on the fact that he salivates over politicians on the show, and that is unprofessional whether or not it is a man or a woman.

[bicentennial_baby]

18. Whew!

And i thought I was the only one thinking that! Yes, pointless and offensive.

[DemLikr]

34. Buh-Bye then!

:hi:

[DemLikr]

30. He's a gay shithead. If you're offended by this thread, don't take part.

Very simple.

I'm offended that you think being gay is offensive. So there. :eyes:

[catpower2000]

62. Guess what? I get to post wherever I want...

I don't think there's anything offensive about being gay...I DO think it's offensive when saying someone is gay is used as a WEAPON. You're automatically assuming it's a NEGATIVE thing to call Chris Matthews gay. I don't think that insults him at all. However, I think calling him a shithead is an insult, and since it happens to be true, it works for me.

You know, you post a thread, I disagree with you, and you tell me to leave. Would you rather have a sea of sycophants? Sorry, that's not the way it works, since it's a MESSAGE BOARD. We get to argue, debate, go back and forth, have differing opinions. You might look into it.

Cat

[DemLikr]

71. You said in your post that this thread was "pointless and offensive"

Do you consider that a form of discussion?

I recommend that ALL people avoid things and situations that offend them and which they believe to be a pointless waste of time; which is how you apparently regard this thread.

Yet, here you are again.

So I guess maybe this thread isn't so pointless and offensive to you, eh?

:smile:

[bearfartinthewoods]

81. discusion.no.........fact..yes, IMHO

cat has every right to state his or her opinion as to the worthiness of a post. so do i.

gee...i guess that means you titter-ers will not be able to titter in peace doesn't it?


homophobes...the lot of you. even the gay ones...sick little self haters who cannot understand why trying to insult someone by calling them gay is not liberal, not progressive....barely human.

freeper hearts hiding in gay/liberal skins....

[DemLikr]

94. U R so totally out of line.

What's your dog in this fight? Just a general sense of superior wisdom and the ability to read my soul over the internet?

[bearfartinthewoods]

131. my dog is a lifetime of fighting this kind of attitude

my dog is a determination that the democratic party of this millenium will hold true to it's past as a defender of gay rights, one of those rights being the right to have a private life.

my dog is a broken nose gained while defending a guy who someone decided should squirm.

my dog is a firm determination that people don't get to make personal choices for others.

my dog is a personal commitement to a country where being gay is NO BIG DEAL and if i have to fight supposed liberals gays to bring that about, then so be it.

and if you or anyone else perceives me as nasty or having a chip on my shoulder i say i was much nicer the first couple times this subject surfaced. but since the same people seem intent on dragging these "so and so is gay" threads out, i'm no longer confident that gentle persuasion will have any effect.

if they feel it's cool to dissect so and so's personae to discredit them, perhaps if someone dissects them in the same manner, learning might occur.

in other words...if someone claims to be able to read tweety's soul over the tube so i get to do likewise for what passes for their own sad soul, over the internet.

[DemLikr]

136. Your dog is GAY?! WTF? You, sir, are no William Rivers Pitt.

Your little rant here is nowhere the quality of Will's work... so you might want to give up on such tactics.

I'm glad to afford you the opportunity to pretend you're sort of a very gay-friendly Joan of Arc type here. I'm sure you'd look great in her armor.

Now...as to your motives in pursuing this topic with such nasty vehemence...uhm...well, let's not go there today.

Have a great Labor Day...perhaps you could spend it giving birth to a new approach to discussion? One that replaces name-calling with reason.

Love ya.

[bearfartinthewoods]

150. so who's trying to be Pitt?

not me for sure.

you asked why i care....i answered.

you don't like my answer?

that really doesn't matter to me.

you upset because i didn't "discuss" this is a nice way?

tough....i tried nice. i've been trying nice for months but it doesn't work. maybe giving some of the sauce meant for the goose back to the gander will.

again...you are blind to your own hypocracy. how does it feel to have a total stranger evaluate you and your psyche based on a couple statements and proclaim their verdict to the world?

maybe you'll remember the feeling the next time you want to expound on the private sex life someone else.

[catpower2000]

92. Hmm...

I recommend that ALL people avoid things and situations that offend them

Do you? Well, there's the difference between you and me, then. I try to CHANGE things and situations that I find offensive...

particularly if those things and situations are offensive not only to me, but an ENTIRE CULTURAL GROUP OF PEOPLE. Isn't that what it means to be a PROGRESSIVE?

Cat

[DemLikr]

96. No, that's what it means to be a BUSYBODY.

I suspect you enjoy feeling morally superior and somehow "more progressive than thou."

It's not working. I don't feel a change coming over me, but thanks for trying.

Luv ya!

[catpower2000]

105. You anger is really out of proportion to my post...

Why are you being so attacking? Perhaps you need to think about your own motives on this issue. You're not angry with me, so who ARE you angry with?

Cat

[Sapphocrat]

75. Thank you, Cat...

I DO think it's offensive when saying someone is gay is used as a WEAPON.

Thank you for relieving me of the burden of saying it again... and again, and again, and AGAIN.

This is sweet timing, though; in five and a half hours, I get on a plane and won't be back for a month. This is a very good thing indeed, as twice before, it was this EXACT thread (only the target was *, not Tweety) that drove me away from DU, shaking my head and wondering if DU was just as crazy and hateful as the rest of the world. (It isn't. DU is still an oasis; it's just that I wasn't as aware then as I am now about how a small, vocal minority can taint the whole DU experience if one does not use Ignore freely -- and liberally.)

Good luck, Cat -- but they're not going to get it, ever.

Ironic, isn't it, that no one would DARE post something like, "I think Chris Matthews has black blood! In fact, I think he's a quatroon! Not that there's anything wrong with that... but we should use it to turn all the Angry White Males against him!"

It saddens me beyond words when it's a gay person who starts these "Let's out So-and-So!" threads. I don't know why any of us would give the rest of the world any more reason to hate us than they already do (internalized homophobia at it's worst, perhaps?), but it makes me nearly physically ill to see it. Again.

But thanks for trying, Cat.

[catpower2000]

91. Ah, darlin'...

It always sucks when a few shitheads ruin it for the rest of us, doesn't it? I remember your threads in the lounge, to which I didn't post, but which I read avidly. (Being straight, I figured the gay DU community could speak to you more directly about these issues than I could.)

As you may or may not know, I fight my own battles on this board with women's issues--specifically, language which I consider offensive and degrading. So I really felt strongly about what you had to say about homophobia on DU. All bigotry is from the same pool, you know--hatred and the desire to oppress.

We're still here, Sapphocrat. We'll keep trying. The wonderful thing about DU is that the gems, the really AMAZING and LIBERAL and BRILLIANT people here FAR outnumber the shitheads. We take breaks when we need to to keep our sanity, right?

Enjoy your month away and I will await your return. Keep the faith. :loveya:

Cat :hug:

[DemLikr]

98. Suppose Chris Matthews was promoting Apartheid and segregation...

...would it then be appropriate to "out" him as having black blood?

[foreigncorrespondent]

118. It isn't appropriate to out anyone for anything.

It is up to the induvidual to come out for what ever reason on their own accord. No one has the right to make that decision for anyone.

[sujan]

19. relax

he's just looking for a job.

[DemLikr]

31. With whom? The Fab Five?

Actually, Christina would be a natural with those guys.

[stickdog]

20. I'm not comfortable commenting on another's sexuality,

but I heard Matthew's has been campaigning to change the name of his show to Hardcock.

[DemLikr]

35. LOL

Excccccccccccccccccccellent suggestion.

[corarose]

50. We all know what's going on under Chris's desk when he talks about Jr

LOL!

[bearfartinthewoods]

84. did you type this with both hands or was the other one busy

titter titter little critter.

[DemLikr]

97. Again, why R U hanging out in this thread if you are so annoyed with it?

Are you feeding a titter-fetish? Just asking.

[KoKo]

25. Geeze, I keep replying to these Matthews threads and I keep saying

he has some problem. It's either a "father complex" that he just never cut it with his Dad and so he obsesses over "manliness" and physical attributes and attire of men. He said his father suggested the name of the show be "Hardball."

His constant obsessing about this has been posted many times on DU. It's a fact....Matthews goes overboard in his descriptions of male body parts.

He also could be "out of touch" with his inner self and may have not confronted his own masculinity or lack thereof and these conflicts haven't been resolved yet. So, he could be Gay, he could be repressed by a domineering father... But, his obssession should be pointed out.....he has made it the issue, not DU'ers who are wondering.

[ranger rick]

26. shrub's flight suit

fyi
dubya was wearing a diaper

[DemLikr]

36. Dare I ask? - Why a diaper? n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

59. Obviously, because they thought he would shit his pants!

And maybe that was the "bulge" :puke:

[UTUSN]

28. Tweety Is NOT Hard to Figure Out

1) He was a political staffer/flunky/operative in the hothouse atmosphere of D.C., where staffers get their own status from the status of THE BOSS. He's got a FLUNKY mindset-----whoever WINS, is SUCCESSFUL is literally ON TOP.

2) When the RAYGUN string-pullers RAN OVER the Dems (especially Tweety's direct bosses) and the Dems rolled over like they're doing now for Shrub's string-pullers, Tweety admired the "winner" RAYGUN.

3) The flaw in this argument is that he didn't go ga-ga over CLINTON when CLINTON won at first. Perhaps it was the early screw-ups. Perhaps it was that Tweety was turned down for press secty. Perhaps he needs MORE glamor and money to be flunky over. Perhaps he had already gone too far down the road of being filmed on long walks with Nancy (Anne Frances ROBBINS) RAYGUN.

4) He's got the leftovers of ex-Liberal angst: He was anti-military, so now he's on the outside of the veterans' world, adrift in the wingnut world that supposedly glorifies military wingnutism. Ever known a workplace where an underling staffer is who KNOWS EVERYTHING, the nuts and bolts?-------the boss is AT THE MERCY of the staffer. Tweety goes ga-ga over "manly" things cause he opted out of the "manly" choices long ago and can only go by what others describe to him.

What doesn't fit is how Tweety, from an ethnic Catholic background with five brothers (or totalling 5?), rough and tumble, DIDN'T do the usual ethnic military thing. He's all TALK, no action.

[UTUSN]

32. And Another Thing:

5) An old tradition in journalism is to milk heartwarming stories about underdogs beating long odds. Ever notice that MATTHEWS ****NEVER**** sides with the underdog. Whoever's got the most money, sex appeal, glamor, buzz----is who MATTHEWS will be flogging away for. Since he doesn't come from a journalism background, he doesn't even PRETEND. A good Dem, or even EX-Lib, might have at least gone for the RFK offspring of Cesar CHAVEZ in California---------don't be RIDICULOUS, he's for Ahhhnuld.

[Name removed]

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[UTUSN]

95. Besides Its Being Against the Rules to Call People FRpers

it would help if it had some basis in reality. I *did* do an Alert.

[corarose]

33. What have I been posting about for the last 2 years? Tweety is gay!

I went to Cosmetology School and Culinary College and believe me both fields are filled with people who are gay.
I also don't pick my friends by whether they are straight or gay. The way that Tweety acts strikes me as not being straight. Something is out of place and he needs to come out of the Closet.
My gaydar went up when I first watched him gush over Jr.

[DemLikr]

38. Thank you for a "straight"-forward post. I agree completely.

My gaydar broke the meter board when I first encountered Tweetster a few years ago squawking away on the tube.

I think he has a thing for the Newsweek? reporter he's been having as a guest on his Sunday morning show, who looks like a 20 years younger version of himself.

[corarose]

44. Did you ever notice how he salivates when he talks about Jr?

Every time he talks about Jr it's like a guy or a girl in love with someone. His eyes get real big and he talks real fast like his heart is beating fast like he is so infatuated that he can't help but gush.

He has the guy on all of the time and I bet he wants him big time.

[corarose]

40. Tweety also use to comment on President Clinton's legs in shorts

Anyone remember when he commented on how white and big they were?

[DemLikr]

42. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

:puke:

[shrike]

143. i've also heard him gush over Clinton's big blue eyes

And the "Bogart thing" Matt Lauer has going on. I used to assume he was gay, actually, then found out he was married ...

[jiacinto]

43. He's married

I know that for a fact.

[Karenina]

45. Ja, UND?

?

[mithnanthy]

46. Married....

And his wife could also be referred to as his "beard".

[grasswire]

47. okay, let's ask this question

It may be offensive or taboo. But it's gotta be asked. Considering Tweety's hardline Catholic upbringing, is it possible that he was "favored" by a member of the clergy -- and if so, would that affect the way he sees powerful men?

[Algorem]

79. I'm sure he was this 'adorable' little blonde choirboy/altarboy.The nuns

no doubt were crazy about him and Father Molesto was really crazy about him and of course every 'good boy' deserves favor.And on and on.

[bearfartinthewoods]

86. and the relevence in this is????

beyond your purient interest, what the fuck does it matter?

and if it doesn't matter, why your purient interest?

titter titter.....

[Algorem]

132. We should all have the purest of purient interests,

the what does fuck the matter,and careful,I think your breasts are banging against your keyboard.

[Cheswick2.0]

49. I have several friends who were also married and gay

they had the sense to figure it out and leave the marriage (I wish for the sake of their families they figured it out first).

[corarose]

48. Anyone ever heard Chris comment on the way a Woman looks?

I haven't and something is up with that.

Straight men don't notice the way another guy dresses and how good another man looks in jeans and a flight suit and if they did i don't think that they would mention it.

[grasswire]

51. hmm

...yes, I've seen him tell Ann Coulter+ that she looked terrific.

Some people think he was smitten with Hillary when she was on his college tour.

[corarose]

52. dAnn's a dude does he count as a girl?

I know that he was infatuated with Hillary because he was in love with her man.

[Clete]

54. I did.

When Katherine Harris showed up in the Florida election upset, with her big hair and stage make-up, he remarked that she was a very attractive women. I didn't know whether to laugh or puke.

[corarose]

57. Damn Katherine Harris looked like an ugly transvestite

Some men look better then women when they dress like them but damn Katherine Harris looked like an ugly man dressed up like a girl.
Does she count?

[Clete]

60. You described her right.

That's why I thought his complimenting of her was so peculiar.

[KoKo]

100. Corarose, I've noticed what you say..he doesn't mention women,but I gave

up watching Matthews over a year ago because of his behavior to Dems. I have caught a few minutes of his Sunday Marathon Repeat shows on MSNBC.....the last few weekends..but find I turn them off after a few minutes.

There is something about him which just isn't the "astute political reform/Dem person" he seems to want to tell us he is. And, the few minutes I do seem to catch of him seems to confirm that something is "trying too hard," with the guy he wants to convince us of how much he appreciates some view of his own about masculinity......He needs some help somewhere.......he does.

[corarose]

107. Something isn't on the up and up with him

He must have had a strict Catholic upbringing and he was told to repress the feelings that he had.
I have never seen a man who is into women exclusively mention what another man is wearing and how good he looks in it. Also, he drools over body parts of other men and something is up with that.

I am not knocking him he could be a good person if he let whatever is inside wanting out out.

He needs someone to pick on so he picks the Democratic party and he is hell bent on destroying us no matter what happens good or bad.

He didn't like President Clinton's big fat white legs (that's what he called them) and I am sure he has bigger fatter whiter legs then Clinton has.
I use to watch him drool when he talked about BJ's and Monica Lewinsky.
In a way I feel sorry for him because underneath all of hatred there might live a good person.

I think that MSNBC or CNN keep him on just to spew hatred and he knows he doesn't have the ratings that he needs to be on. He is so into polls that he knows his poll numbers are very low.

[bearfartinthewoods]

133. you wrote "I have never seen a man who is into women exclusively

mention what another man is wearing and how good he looks in it. Also, he drools over body parts of other men and something is up with that."

you need to expand your circle of acquaintances to include men who are of this milenium in that they don't feel insecure about such talk. are you serious? you have never heard a straight man say that another man looks good?

[monchie]

55. Tweety's allegedly homoerotic remarks are a symptom of something deeper...

As an openly gay man--but one who, like Tweety, was raised Catholic and educated in Philadelphia area Catholic schools--here's my take on Chris Matthews' admiration of Shrub's "manliness" and Howard Dean's muscular forearms:

Tweety's a self-loathing Catholic boy, a liberal who has sold his soul to the ReTHUGlicans for 30 pieces of GE's gold. Deep down in his heart he knows he's a shill for the evil forces that are destroying American democracy. And like the good Catholic boy he views himself as, he often feels guilty, occasionally going so far as to actually attempt to do something good -- like, say, opposing Shrub's war at first -- to make up for his evil actions. But then he witnesses what happens to uncompromising do-gooders like Phil Donahue, and he forces himself back into line so he won't lose his access to GE's gold.

Tweety wants to do good, but he also knows that doing good will cost him his career. So now his entire life consists of dishonestly shilling for an evil ideology he doesn't even really believe in, while at the same time repressing his true do-gooder side.

Now, I don't think Matthews is necessarily gay, but he is perhaps a repressed bisexual, maybe a Kinsey 2 or 3 who is basically hetero but has some strong same-sex feelings. And with all the turmoil he's twisted himself into in order to advance his career, occasionally the homoerotic fascination comes bubbling out of his emotional cauldron. Thus, our eyebrows rise when we hear him praising Shrub's alleged maniliness or the forceful beauty of Howard Dean's muscular forearms.

And of course, if Dean actually manages to get the Democratic nomination, Tweety will do a 180 and trash him as thoroughly as he trashed President Gore.

After all, what's most important in Tweety's life right now is receiving a steady flow of GE's gold.

[grasswire]

56. thoughtful analysis, thanks

I appreciate the insight from the Catholic perspective. It's very clear that his faith shapes his reaction to candidates -- which is why he hassled Kucinich.

[DemLikr]

72. Thanks for the detailed insight...makes sense to me too. n/t

[Dr Fate]

61. So is Rush.

!!!

[Muddleoftheroad]

63. Schoolyard behavior

Funny, outing people in that way is what grade school boys do because "gay" is horrible in their eyes. I see mankind does not evolve.

[Dr Fate]

65. Please- no one is outing anyone...

...it all sounds like silly observation gone overboard to me...You can make anyone seem "gay" or "straight" by singling out specific behavior in certain context...

...that would have been my point, had I had one!

[Muddleoftheroad]

66. I strongly disagree that no one is outing anyone

That's precisely what DemLikr is trying to do and it's damn offensive. I agree that you can make anyone seem gay or straight by selective analysis. But this poster clearly thinks he KNOWS and I find guessing about someone's sexuality to be repulsive and juvenile.

Some of the posts from above:

PROGRESSIVE1 (956 posts) Sun Aug-31-03 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. Chris Matthews has some issues about...

his own sexuality!!! That's why he's so weak!!!

DemLikr (665 posts) Sun Aug-31-03 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Clarification: Tweetster's BAD is his concealment, his duplicity

I would respect his honesty if he just said, "I think Howard Dean is fucking hot, and his muscular arms cause me to ovulate."All this subliminal, partially-suppressed homoeroticism, on the other hand, is sort of creepy...


DemLikr (665 posts) Sun Aug-31-03 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #16
30. He's a gay shithead. If you're offended by this thread, don't take part.

Very simple. I'm offended that you think being gay is offensive. So there.

DemLikr (665 posts) Sun Aug-31-03 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. Thank you for a "straight"-forward post. I agree completely.

My gaydar broke the meter board when I first encountered Tweetster a few years ago squawking away on the tube.I think he has a thing for the Newsweek? reporter he's been having as a guest on his Sunday morning show, who looks like a 20 years younger version of himself.

[DemLikr]

74. Do U have a point? Or do you just like copying and pasting my posts?

Your definition of "outing" and "offensive" and "pointless" and "juvenile" are clearly different than mine.


Therefore, I don't credit the arguments you base on those words.

[Muddleoftheroad]

78. Given that YOU are doing it, that is no surprise

Making comments stating what you PERCEIVE to be someone's sexual preference is wrong, morally. Just because you say your "gaydar" goes off when he is on doesn't make any difference. Maybe your gaydar just isn't operating correctly. But to "out" someone is the tactics of the right, not us.

[Sapphocrat]

89. Tactics of the right...

But to "out" someone is the tactics of the right, not us.

Amen -- especially at the expense of some of us. I'm reminded of an organism so hungry for anything that eats itself alive.

Thank you, too, Mud. I appreciate your words.

[DemLikr]

99. Newsflash: PERCEPTION is all any of us have.

Through your senses you perceive the world, as do I. On this particular topic we disagree. I assume we agree on basic things like the world would be a much better place with Shrub out of office.

I won't waste my time defending my Progressive credentials to one whose sense of righteousness overrules his or her ability to reason.

It's telling that you find it necessary to frame your position in terms of "morality," as do many right wing bible beaters. If you get to be the "moral" one, then that sort of shuts any argument against you down, eh?

Not buyin it.

[Muddleoftheroad]

104. Morality

I don't need to define morality. In situations such as this, it defines itself. When you violate it, as the concept of this thread has done, it is there for all to see.

Mistreatment of people based on your PERCEIVED opinion of their sexual orientation is just as bad as mistreating someone because of their sexual orientation.

[DemLikr]

108. Morality does NOT define itself.

The history of the world is written in the blood of people slain by armies pledged to opposing "moralities," each as deluded as the other that their "morals" are the correct ones.

I don't know...maybe I AM wrong on this. But it sure hasn't been in any way proved by your weak-ass attack posts.

"Immoral." Just another slur from folks like you and Jerry Falwell who can't support their positions with convincing rhetoric.

[Muddleoftheroad]

113. Morality again

There IS a right and wrong. Maybe you don't see it, but most folks do, even in different societies. It is wrong to murder, it is wrong to rape. These are absolutes. It is wrong to murder someone's name just the same. By speculating about someone's sexual preference, that is what you are doing. It is wrong. It is immoral.

I don't like Falwell, but I like morality. You need to learn the difference.

[DemLikr]

137. Outing someone as gay = murder? U make my point.

You rank a gay sexual orientation on the same scale with murder...my god, how do you not see that YOU are the one who thinks being gay is majorly BAD?

For the umptheenth time, TWEETY'S HYPOCRISY AND DECEIT ARE THE PRIME ISSUE HERE.

[Muddleoftheroad]

145. Nope

You willingly misconstrue. To kill someone in public is like killing their body. Identifying someone's sexual preference by your inference is like calling a cow a bull or vice versa. Neither would appreciate the comment.

His sexual preference is none of your damn business. He might be straight, he might be gay, he might be bi, he might not give a damn about sex. I don't care which it is. If we "outed" you as straight, how would you like it?

YOUR HYPOCRISY IS THE PRIME ISSUE HERE.

[mitchtv]

68. I just got a bouncer's job at Gay headquarters

Neither Tweety nor Rush are allowed in. They will be stopped at the door and referred to the Green party for re orientation.

[DemLikr]

73. Totally, Dr.! I recall Rush intro-ing his show with lots of Madonna music

in his early days, before he went completely fascist.

Other traits at the time had me going "hmmm..."

[UTUSN]

69. & Why Does He Continually Refer to Kathleen

as "My queen"? Just on the political level, leaving aside the cultural front, we proles ought to disdain all trappings of royalty. But by selecting the most politically unthought-out term of extravagant ROYALTY, he is putting himself in the position of "protesting too much." Why not, "My hot hippie WENCH" or "My sinewy COMMONER" or "My radical MINX"?

Btw, MSRNC is re-running Tweezer all Sunday afternoon, and on the one from 8-27, not only did he have one of his OTHER adolescent testosteroneys on as guest, "Governor" VENTURA, but, double-whammy here, he announced he will be broadcasting from Kalli-fourneea beginning Monday(?) (9-1? Holiday?), every day until the CA election.

Oh, now he's drooling that Shrub is "coming back" in polls up to 59%, and elect-numbers 12 points higher than an unnamed Dem. Whore Howard FINEMAN sez that where polls ask about "an opponent" Shrub's numbers go down, when when the qualifiery is "a Democrat" Shrub's #s go up.

[roguevalley]

70. I found it very interesting that he mentioned

Clinton as complicated. I think he's a very arrested guy.
Consider how he ambushes people, gushes over "the tough
guys" and generally looks like a pussy. I think he's a
little boy who got bullied and looks up to tough guys. Is
he gay? I don't know. Does he get a homoerotic buzz from
'tough guys'? Probably. Lots of people get homoerotic
buzzes from other people they want to admire and maybe
part of their admiration springs from that. Would they act
on it? Who knows. The one true thing I believe about
Tweetie is that he acts like a jilted lover, vindictive
and retributive (Clinton didn't WANT ME! WAAAAH!) and
that he's a dick. An opportunistic dickhead.

[foreigncorrespondent]

77. And you are a traitor the the LGBT community.

including their sexual orientation and activities, in the shadows, is by defautlt declaring same to be worthy of shame.

I am so sick to death of these so in so is gay threads that come up on here from time to time. And people try to tell us there isn't any form of homophobia on these boards. It makes it particulary worse when that homophobia is coming from someone who "claims" to be gay.

I could say so much to you right now, but I am not going to waste my time with it.

My partner in a few hours is heading for the airport to come and see me, and I have that to look forward to. But I will tell you one thing, you are a true traitor to the community you "claim" you belong to. Just like the log cabin republicans are.

Yes you are right, I don't like this thread and I will stay out of it, after all who wants to sit around with arrogant people and discuss someones sexuality which should be a non issue anyway?

[DemLikr]

101. You don't support your position, you just denounce me generally.

And, where exactly, is this mythical "gay community?"

We don't all live in one place, think exactly the same, eat the same food and frequent the same restaurants you know...or do you know?

[Name removed]

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[JohnKleeb]

127. FC i didnt know your partner was a DUer, very neat

[DemLikr]

138. Name calling, name calling, blah blah blah...

Self-righteousness and bully tactics: nice combo you've got going there.

[bearfartinthewoods]

82. there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between something being

worthy of shame and something being used as a threat.

or even soomething that is none of your damn business.

it just amazes me that someone can pronounce a public figure gay with one breathe and then castigate them for hiding this supposed gayness with the next.

the only reason you wish to deam tweety as gay is to discredit him.

and yet you can't figure out why public people might not wish to be discredited in such a manner.

i don't think you are so dense as to not understand this. yet you do it anyway.....

[theHandpuppet]

87. Thank you...

I totally agree with you, and I am sick to death of these types of threads!

[Sapphocrat]

88. Thank you, bfitw, well put n/t

[DemLikr]

102. Circular argument: and the wheels go round and round and round...

Let it go. I stand firmly by my original post and all subsequent others.

Again, what's your dog in this fight?

[Booberdawg]

83. What utter bullshit

It would be hard to match the complete lack of insight displayed by many of the comments in this thread. Ignorance I can somewhat understand, but using sexuality to incite deliberate ill-will is reprehensible.

[Forkboy]

85. What few remaining doubts I had about you

are gone.

[DemLikr]

103. Damn...I guess my life is over.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

110. No such luck

[Not a robought]

106. You said you think public figures' sexuality is relevant

can you try again to explain why?

A public figure who keeps their sexuality undeclared may not be shameful, it could be for other reasons especially when they are public. An actor has to weigh carefully if and when to come out or not because it will have direct consequence on the direction of their career. That's not a symptom of their courage to be out, that's a perception imposed by a homophobic society.

I assume you are on this bent to point out the hypocrisy of this journalist? But the difference here is that while Bill did get a blowjob in the White House, you are only speculating as to whether Tweety is gay in a diminishing manner. Being gay I would think is something to be proud of or in the least, nothing to fuss over.

Let's say the issue wasn't sexuality but debt. If Clinton was pressing for bankruptcy legislation and an investigation revealed he had gone personally bankrupt several times before and Tweety trips all over himself to talk about his poor personal finance situation, would it be urgent for you to figure out what's in Tweety's portfolio?

Additionally, no, I don't agree on your assessment of the characteristics as to why you think he's gay. There is no reference code in determining gay.

[Not a robought]

109. P.S.

I can't speak on behalf of the gay community but I would think that you would want to celebrate and support anyone who claims to be gay. By this thread I don't think you want to celebrate him for possibly being gay but to denigrate him for it.

Further, the implied definition of being progressive is to live and let live, neither of which fits with this thread on this board.

[Jim Sagle]

111. Matthews ain't nuthin' but shit. So how can he be gay?

:shrug:

[corarose]

112. STOP ATTACKING DEMLIKR Matthews has been attacking Clinton

For years about sex and he deserves everything that he gets.

This post is not about anyone else except Matthews.

We are psychoanalyzing him because he says he is a Liberal and he's not he is a right wing paid loud mouth hate filled gas bag jerk.

He is in the closet and he should come out and stop being so angry.

Stop attacking DEMLIKR he didn't go after anyone else and believe me there are plenty more but no one is attacking them.

[Booberdawg]

114. using sexuality is NOT the way to "get even" with Matthews

or anybody for objecting to Clinton's behavior.

Are you gay, corarose? Of course you don't have to answer that, but I'm wondering about your credibility on the issue is all.

[corarose]

121. I am not an angry person and I don't hate people but

I have been taught to hate people by the republicans and Matthews teaches people to hate.

I love men and I am secure in my sexuality.

[Forkboy]

122. you dont hate

but have been taught to hate.If teaching people to hate is wrong what is learning it?

[Booberdawg]

123. I see

:eyes:

And from someone who also thinks it's okay to hide employee invoices (in other words - hurt customers) because you don't like another employee. :eyes:

Perhaps your priorities are misplaced .... just THINK about it ... I have nothing more to say.....

[foreigncorrespondent]

126. But using a persons sexuality...

...as a weapon is so repuke-like it isn't funny. I don't give a flying fuck what the idiot (Matthews) does, it is using BEING GAY AS A WEAPON THAT IS PISSING ME OFF!!!

And what your friend Demlikr and you are doing is TEACHING PEOPLE TO BE HOMOPHOBIC! Which is no better than Matthews teaching hate. Sorry but you and your little lowered yourselves to the repuke level. Well done!!!!

[KoKo]

156. Chris Matthews is the one who made "homo/hetero Erotic" The ISSUE!

NOT DU Posters who noticed the guy needs to square himself with his inner feelings. He has a big divide between the "homo-erotica posts he does about "biceps, cod pieces, clothing in shades of brown, and the other stuff I've heard and seen posted by DU'ers here on thread after thread.

I think if he's gay he really needs a "mentor" to help him "out himself."

Is that being a "gay basher" to say that? I don't think so........Chris Matthews in post after post and stuff I've heard myself has a real sexual identity problem. DU'ers see it.......why should those who see it be bashed as "anti-gay?"

I don't understand.....Why"

[Muddleoftheroad]

157. His sexuality

is his business, just like your sexuality is yours. To try and INFER what his sexuality is results in foolish assumptions and cruel behavior.

[Muddleoftheroad]

115. Standing up for what is right

Doesn't depend on numbers:

"They came for the Communists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Communist;
They came for the Socialists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Socialist;
They came for the labor leaders, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a labor leader;
They came for the Jews, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Jew;
Then they came for me - And there was no one left to object."

[DemLikr]

140. They won't know where to come for Tweetster...he's hiding in the closet.

:eyes:

[Muddleoftheroad]

146. Says you

But you don't really know, you are just mouthing off.

[Forkboy]

116. it's not up to you or anyone

to decide when/if he should come out of the closet.

[Not a robought]

117. Again

if Tweety came out, would you celebrate it? It sounds like you would celebrate it in hopes that it would result in his humiliation.

Charming.

[corarose]

120. He doesn't have to come out in public just to himself

Like I said in an earlier post he might be a nice guy underneath all of his anger.
Someone one said that he was a nice guy at one time. He is angry and it shows because he has so much hatred in him.

All I want him to do Is be a nicer person which will never happen.

[Not a robought]

124. So by coming out to himself

if supposing he is gay, and supposing he hasn't come out to himself already (not to mention his wife, manager, publicist and agent who would be the first ones to know by now) he would be less angry?

We are talking about a TV personality for the purposes of political entertainment.

He and his producers and directors get together and determine the political angle he takes on camera, it ain't just him.

It's surprising that anyone would get so worked up about a television personality (or lack of) to the point where sexuality is dragged into the mud.

TV... go figure.

[Booberdawg]

125. BIGGEST problem with your "CURE"

Chris Matthews is not gay.

Your "reasoning" (I use the term loosely here ) suggesting he is gay is just absurd

[Name removed]

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[DemLikr]

142. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...OMG...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh thanks, I needed that...heehehehehehehehe....

[Spentastic]

144. Perhaps if you stopped Quacking

And waddling this wouldn't happen.

[Name removed]

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[DemLikr]

141. OK buddy...what's your game here?

[Muddleoftheroad]

147. The same could be asked of you

You are treating someone you PERCEIVE as gay as if they have done something wrong because they don't live their life AS YOU DEMAND. Talk about moralizing.

[Name removed]

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[Muddleoftheroad]

149. You are the stalker friend and I am sure as hell not lurking

With your allusions and your assumptions. In my world, we don't mistreat people based on their sexual preference. That means gay, straight or bi or whatever. In my world, we just don't care what they are.

[Not a robought]

151. Yes I have some thoughts

Why the hatred?