Sign at the Faith Baptist Church in Avon, Indiana..who would Saddam vote

[ignatius 2]

for? I was so angry I couldn't see straight when I saw this. 317 272-4632 is the phone number. All I got was an answering machine but I asked the "pastor" in name only, more importantly who would Jesus vote for? I doubt a man who would start an uneccesary war that has killed thousands of innocent people and over 1100 of our young people. I also told him that this is America where religion and politics are separate for a reason.

My son called, my husband and 2 friends. My son also posted the number on his yahoo message board.

Feel free if you can to let this fool know what you think.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Cut their tax exempt status!

[Cerridwen]

2. A suggestion - take a picture or several - send to IRS

isn't this a form of campaigning or at the very least, attempting to influence a political contest?

:hi:

Please take a deep breath, and count to 8 - that's the number of days we have left until the U.S. starts to return to sanity.

[Indykatie]

3. Called to Complain

I live in Indianapolis and I just called and left a message complaining about the sign.

[ignatius 2]

4. Thank you, and I think taking a picture and sending to the IRS is an

awesome idea. Assuming it is still up tomorow, I have a feeling the good pastor may get an ear full this evening.

[Indiana_Dem]

5. I'm from Indiana, too.

I don't want to call due to caller ID. But I might get the address and send them a copy of this little diddy of an article on Why Christians Should Vote Bush Out from Democracy for America. That really ticks me off but I'm so used to things like that around here in Indiana--lived here all my life practically.

[AVESGA]

7. Star 6-7

When you get the dial tone, hit *67. You should get a few beeps and then a constant dial tone. Should block ID on the other end.

[Indiana_Dem]

10. Thanks! I never knew how to use that! n/t

[Surface Tension]

16. Caller ID

Why let that stop you? Be proud of your affiliation, not ashamed and hiding..... Are you not willing to be on record as a supporter?

[kokomo]

6. Rev. Irwin Baxter, Jr. telling Pentecostals Kerry is in league with satan.

The Rev. Baxter of Richmond, Indiana is going coast-to-coast working for Bush/Cheney. The pastor is publisher of "Endtimes Magazine" which is pushing for hurrying up Armageddon. With Bush, he may have the right candidate!

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Oy!

[Tesibria]

9. TAKE a PIC -- they'll destroy the Evidence

... gotta have the pic or they'll deny it ....

[thecatdoctor]

11. Maybe he'd vote for Bush.

We don't know.

[oasis]

12. Who would Jesus vote for?

[DuaneBidoux]

14. But I think the more interesting question

from a man who said turn the other cheek, is "Who would he bomb?"

[DuaneBidoux]

13. Need a big sign across the street that says

"Who would Jesus bomb?"

[Surface Tension]

15. I'm curious......

Why does that upset some here so much? Are YOU saying that you believe it would be Kerry? Why else would you let it spin you??? By reacting to this sign, all that is being accomplished is validation of the message. Is that what you intend? hmmmmm????

[madfloridian]

17. It erodes the separation of church and state. Not only that.....

it is an ignorant thing to say. It shows a lack of intelligence, and a mindset for war. It shows a pastor who ignores facts.

Yes, it is very upsetting to lose your country to fools and religious zealots.

[Surface Tension]

18. Seperation of Church and State

Now that's a bit of a detour, but since you turned down that road.... please educate me. Where is this much vaunted seperation of Church and state declared or required? The only constitutional requirement I have ever seen was that the Government could not advocate a specific religion over another. From what angle are you speaking?


Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.

[antigone382]

19. 1st Amendment to the Constitution

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That is in effect, if not in so many words, a separation of church and state. The Constitution also states that no one must pass a religious test to hold office. The fact is, the American government was founded at a time when hundreds of religious factions were springing up in America (as a result of the Great Awakening). The founding fathers realized that all religious groups were minorities in America, and thus recognized the need to keep any particular group from dominating government.

More specifically, there are laws concerning tax exempt organizations, such as but not limited to religious organizations, that state that they cannot endorse a candidate or party.

As for giving the pastor who put up that sign the benefit of the doubt, we all know what he is implicating (even though it is egregiously misleading), so let's not even play that game.

I like the quote in bold at the end of your post. It is very eloquent and quite right, and it is exactly why we must fight an administration that uses fear to erode our rights and take away our freedoms. The Bush administration has infringed on all but two of the first ten amendments to the Constitution (the Bill of Rights), and if we allow their arrogant, despotic policies to continue unimpeded, freedom will indeed be a thing of the past in America.

[Sugarbleus]

20. I used to be a "church goer"...not any more... TOO MUCH

POLITICAL CRAP being preached instead of the gospel.

Church should be for ministering to men's/women's souls.......NOT FOR SWAYING THE WAY PEOPLE "SHOULD" VOTE!!

The "organized church" is becoming the too influential in the affairs of state. Not unlike the Catholic/Roman Church was in Europe before America came into being. WE DON'T WANT A THEOCRACY or ANY type of government that is "driven" by any particular sect of christianity or any other religion. Be reminded of the Saudi Arabian Model...NO THANKS.

[RainDog]

21. I seem to remember there are laws

that bar churches, due to their tax exempt status, from directly advocating one candidate vs another.

that's why they hand out "voter guides" that tell how candidates voted on the issues that are part of the "culture war" that the right wing will NEVER win, but the Republicans use these issues, which they will NEVER RESOLVE...because to do so would mean that people would wise up and vote according to their interests....like economic justice...

but I digress...they hand out voter guides but cannot advocate for candidate versus another.

...right wing churches are not for economic justice or education because those things would severly impact their membership roles.

but keeping a congregation outraged over what others are doing in the privacy of their homes is a real meal ticket.

However, the issue for me is that a church could be this fucking offensive and imply that one candidate would be the choice of Saddam.

But that just goes to show you what whores the right wing churches have become. money, money, money, honey.

[AZCat]

22. I"m fairly certain...

that Saddam would write his own name in.

Is there some sort of moral to the story? Did I miss a commandment somewhere: "Thou Shall Not Vote For Thyself"?

</satire>

[malmapus]

25. Nice!

As I seem to recall from the "Iragi Elections" where Saddam was the only name on the ballot he would be out there casting a vote.

[NightTrain]

23. "Who would Saddam vote for?" I'm guessing Bush.

Hey, if Dubya's good enough for Iran....

[malmapus]

24. Just called

Just called and left a message, same lines..would Jesus vote for a man who lied to send others in harms way that also resulted in the death of innocent civilians, among other things.

[DeepModem Mom]

26. This kind of stuff indicates that this is not my country anymore...

or the country the Founders intended. We must take back America --