We don't stand a chance. We've all been divided and conquered.

[anarchy1999]

The right has the might and we are going to be defeated. Sorry, that's just my take from watching the infighting going on within my very small territory. I wish I could say differently, I can't.

We have enemies within the groups we all try to work with.

See you all on November the 3rd. What will we all do then?

[Birthmark]

1. Personally, I'll be celebrating.

You cannot extrapolate from your personal experience to the nation at-large. Kerry will win this election quite easily; and all the whiners, worryers, freepers, and assorted others will look pretty silly.

Don't look silly. :)

[anarchy1999]

6. go see blackboxvoting.org/com

I'm not looking silly. Thanks anyway.

on edit,

It's nice for you to still be looking out from behind rose colored glasses.

If I'm wrong, then on November the 2nd, I'll so gladly say so. In addition, I'll never be the one to say on that day or the day after, "I told you so".

[Birthmark]

8. I know all about BBV

I also know how to add. They simply don't have enough resources to pull off a fraud on the scale they'll need. Sorry to interfere in your depression.

[BeHereNow]

13. Hello?

They have been pulling off OUTRAGEOUS fraud for the last
four years?
What exactly do you expect to change?
Do you think forty years of planning and empirical amibition
is going to be derailed NOW?
Because of YOUR vote?
I want some of what you are smoking.
BHN

[Birthmark]

16. What do I expect to change?

Ummm...well, there's the scale of the fraud necessary, for one thing. This isn't a case of intimidating the media.

And I'm smoking a cigarette. You wouldn't like it. I don't, but I'm hooked like hell, y'know? But if you DO decide to smoke, might I recommend something that makes one less paranoid? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[m berst]

20. it seems to me that it is...

... a case of intimidating the media, and it has already started with the "the Dems are so desperate to win they will do anything" talk from the right wing propaganda mill. By "anything" they mean things like count the votes. With sufficient media provoked public sentiment for "let's get it over, already" pressure will then be put on everyone from legislators to elections official - as was done in 2000 - and that could easily lead to a stolen election or a seriously compromised process with resultant public unrest and government suppression.

But never mind all that - what has me curious is why you would want to stomp on the original poster and then on BHN? Are they not considerate, thoughtful, and intelligent? I think they are. Are they not friends and allies in the coming struggles? That is how I see them. Are they not human beings deserving of respect and courtesy regardless of what we may feel or think of their opinions?

Most importantly IMHO - are we not compromising our integrity as liberals and squandering the moral high ground, and thereby weakening our resistance to tyranny when we use "gotcha" personal attack tactics on each other?

I happen to agree with what anarchy and bhn said here, but were the shoe on the other foot, and were you being ridiculed, I would come to your defense.

[anarchy1999]

42. I am humbled and I thank you.

n/t
oh and by the way, welcome to DU.

[Birthmark]

45. I don't think I stomped.

But I have two reasons for my directness.

1. I don't do victimhood. I also think it's silly to assign so much power to them with little evidence that they have that much power.

2. I have little patience for whining. We're here to get Kerry elected, not to think up reasons why he can't be elected. Frankly, anyone who thinks that Kerry isn't going to be elected is draining the energy from the room, IMHO. Who needs it?

[sendero]

75. I agree with you...

... there are so many defeatists here is gets old.

Yes, 2000 was stolen. The only reason is that the vote was, in FL, as close to 50-50 as you can get.

Had the vote been 51-49, they could not have pulled it off.

Kerry is not going to win every state by a handy margin, but he will win enough that they are simply not going to be able to pull off the same tricks they did last time. It is much much harder to steal votes when people are suspicious of you. They had the element of surprise in 2000, that is gone.

Yes, I understand BBV very well. But again, there are many reasons that it can be used to siphon off small numbers of votes, but it will be very difficult to swing a couple percentage points with fraud without it being patently obvious.

That said, I'd like a constitution amendment making tampering with the voting process a form of no-tolerance treason with an automatic and non-discretionary death penalty :)

[qs04]

22. Re: I know all about BBV

What resources do they need besides ES&S and Diebold? And how do you know just what level of resources they have?

[Birthmark]

46. How do *you* know...

...that they have enough resources to steal the election. The burden is on y'all.

[Moderator]

85. Locking

A discussion about voter fraud and BBV would probably be more productive if conducted without the numerous personal attacks in this thread.

[BeHereNow]

23. Not enough resources?

Try reading what Porter Goss has planned for you.
BHN

[Birthmark]

47. I'll do that.

Someday...maybe...if it becomes relevant.

[Gore1FL]

52. Your gloom and doom message is give up all is lost

I don't work that way. If that means I have to get over myself, then I guess that what it means.

I know about the issues in this election. I plan do somethign about it than cry in my beer and promote that strategy to others who have not given up.

I'm glad you weren't in charge during WWII, WWI, or the Civil war.

How is "We are all going to die" a rose-coplored glasses look at the world? Granted, it was sarcasm.

Additionally: "I told you so" is not your message. Your message is a self fulfilling prophecy. It is the same crap that Gallup pulls when it weights its polls heavily GOP and then claim a Bush victory in the offing.

Knowing about problems is one thing. Telling people about problems is one thing. Calling people to action to fix problems is one thing.

Your "we are all doomed and anyone who disagrees and actually tries to make a difference is a jerk" attitude really sucks.

[Gore1FL]

54. Actually the abovewas in response to post 49

n/t

[Kanary]

17. Can you explain how it helps to call others names??

Maybe that's exactly what the poster is pointing to.

Stop.

For gawd's sake, give it a rest, already.

Unless you really just want everyone to give up and leave you to fight all by yourself...... along with the others who like to look down from on high and judge and criticise.

Ease up.

Name calling and judging is.....

SILLY

Kanary

[anarchy1999]

50. WAKE UP AND START TO GIVE A DAMN!

Published on Friday, October 22, 2004 by FindLaw.com
The Coming Post-Election Chaos
A Storm Warning of Things to Come If the Vote Is as Close as Expected

by John W. Dean

This next presidential election, on November 2, may be followed by post-election chaos unlike any we've ever known
Look at the swirling, ugly currents currently at work in this conspicuously close race. There is Republicans' history of going negative to win elections. There is Karl Rove's disposition to challenge close elections in post-election brawls. And there is Democrats' (and others) new unwillingness to roll over, as was done in 2000. Finally, look at the fact that a half-dozen lawsuits are in the works in the key states and more are being developed. Click here to find out more!

This is a climate for trouble. A storm warning is appropriate. In the end, attorneys and legal strategy could prove as important, if not more so, to the outcome of this election as the traditional political strategists and strategy.

Let's go over each factor that spells trouble - and see how they may combine.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1022-34.htm



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0730-10.htm

Published on Friday, July 30, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Let's Act in the the Democratic Emergency
by Ronnie Dugger

We are in an American emergency. It is the emergency of all our American emergencies. Along with the Civil War, this is our second crisis of legitimacy, but more, it is the culminative crisis of our identity. Are we a democracy, or have we irreversibly degenerated into a Presidential-corporate-military dictatorship? Are we still a good country, or are we becoming a bad country? Can we understand and act in the emergency well and fast enough, or will we lose the United States as we know it?

But as we approach the national election three months away, we have slowly awakened to realize, too, that this quite general American emergency is focusing down into an historic democratic emergency.

Four years ago James Baker, running the Bush campaign to steal the Presidency in Florida, proclaimed there again and again (although few noticed or understood what he was saying) that the "precision machinery" of computers counts and recounts votes better and more accurately than people do. The Bush people achieved what they wanted and asked for, a Supreme Court order that literally stopped the recounting of the votes in Florida. Newt Gingrich followed that up at once, still in December 2000, with a call for a totally computerized votecounting system by 2004.


http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040816&s=dugger

article | Posted July 29, 2004

How They Could Steal the Election This Time
by Ronnie Dugger

On November 2 millions of Americans will cast their votes for President in computerized voting systems that can be rigged by corporate or local-election insiders. Some 98 million citizens, five out of every six of the roughly 115 million who will go to the polls, will consign their votes into computers that unidentified computer programmers, working in the main for four private corporations and the officials of 10,500 election jurisdictions, could program to invisibly falsify the outcomes.

[Fridays Child]

2. Hello, little ray of sunshine.

:hi:

[aquart]

3. Be Democrats.

On November 3, euphoria or rage, or more of the gripping killer tension of these few days. I tend to think euphoria.

Bush needs support of state organizations to pull off another coup. I don't think he has it. Except in Florida. If Jeb can't deliver, his mother will feed him his balls. That's a powerful incentive.

If we show up, we win. If our votes are counted, we win.

Then we spend the next four years mucking out the barn, because the shit is thick and deep and god knows what's buried in it.

[anarchy1999]

19. If, if and if. If we show, if our votes are counted. Good God man,

do you see what you are writing? If, If and then.

We don't have any if's to afford. "If our votes are counted"?

You said it all. "If we show up"? What the hell?

See you hopefully on November the 3rd.

[kokomo]

4. Have to come to DU to get away from Naderites at AlterNet.

Never liked Nader after he ruined the trade-in value on my Chevy Corvair Monza (one of the best little cars I ever owned) and now thanks to his misty-eyed disciples I am beginning to hate him. I DO agree with much of his message, but he is not the right messenger.

Hoping that there is such an overwhelming turnout that Nader can no longer ruin our nation along with Bush who I really think down deep he wants to see elected to get back at us Democrats who don't see his "light!"

[T Town Jake]

5. With respect, I must say you're wrong...

...this election has been over since the first debate, if not sooner. Kerry is going to win, and probably big; the Democrats are going to take back the Senate.
Come election night, it'll be TIME TO PARTY!!! :party:

[BeHereNow]

12. And what? Bev Harris is an idiot?

Her work and research on BBV is a irrelevant
because you simply want reality to be as you see it?
Grow up!
The facts are this:
Even if EVERY man, woman, child, dog, cat and bird in
this country voted for Kerry- BUSH WILL WIN.
I hate to break it to ya, but we have lost the country.
Still want to live in denial?
Get back to me on November 3rd.
BHN

[Kanary]

18. "want reality to be as you see it"

That seems to be the strong force here.

Y'know, we teach 3-year-olds that magical thinking isn't how it works.

Yet, look at all these "adults" who still believe........

:hi: BHN!

Kanary, who must be the easter bunny.......:)

[BeHereNow]

21. Which would make me...

The "Goof Fairy"
Check in on my call to DU oldtimers thread will ya?
We gots to make a plan...soon.

:hug:

BHN

[Kanary]

30. woof! woof!

I kinda sorta know what FIDO is........

:silly:

Wouldn't have a clue how to build one, though.....

Kanary, who *likes* Goof Fairies...... :) :pals:

[muriel_volestrangler]

77. OK, do you think Bev Harris has given up?

" And so it begins. Some say this will be the dirtiest election ever. The more people who vote, the tougher it is to suppress votes or tamper. So VOTE. But this time, we're asking you to do more. Democracy is not a spectator sport.

CAN YOU HELP?

Top 4 things you can do

Go to Cleanup Crew Instructions for actions you can take right now to:
Combat secrecy in election procedures
Combat poor voting machine security
Combat vote suppression
Report incidents"

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Who's called her an idiot? No-one, apart from you, it seems.

[BeHereNow]

7. HUGS Anarchy...

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
You know I know.
Delusion is not a selective condition.
It has affected both the left and the right.
Unfortunately...
We will all pay for our collective arrogance and ignorance. Equally.
The condition has kept us focused on the WRONG issues.
Together, we could have made difference.
But the self-righteous right to be right about shit the
Empire could care a less about has been our downfall.
If Shakepeare were alive today, he would record it all.
The tragic flaw of blindness to the REAL issues for love of self.
It's the American way, and weigh.
BHN

[anarchy1999]

11. Heavens to Bets, It's so nice to see you here. Thanks.

You know it, I know it, many others do as well, it is a tough pill to swallow.

[George_S]

9. Freepers have their differences too...

... and they say the same thing. Thing is, they are right :)

[sandnsea]

10. And you have a problem with ME????

Take a bubble bath, watch EE on C-Span, then get a good night's sleep. You'll feel all better in the morning. :hi:

[anarchy1999]

44. Dear sandnsea, what do you know about the dollar being dumped in

very large ways world wide this last week?

Hopefully you know it all and can provide some insight. Otherwise I might begin to believe you know nothing.

[Zero Division]

14. Actually, I doubt we've ever been more united

Look at all the Democratic registration and GOTV efforts going on right now. The Republicans are sh*tting themselves over how successful we've been in these efforts. This simply wouldn't be happening if we weren't so united. Your territory must be the exception to the rule.

[OneBlueSky]

15. theft of the election is an ongoing concern for all of us . . .

Kerry will undoubtedly win the popular vote, and handily . . . but how the voters vote and what the machines report out may not be one and the same this year . . . because BushCo essentially owns those machines and can make them do whatever they wish . . .

I'm not as pessimistic as you, though . . . I think there will be enough upsets in states that Bush thought he had locked up to more than offset whatever BushCo tries in Florida and Ohio . . . hope to hell I'm right . . .

[anarchy1999]

25. Well, we can always hope. Thanks for the positive message.

Hope is in short supply in Texas. We've had too many years of the Bush family and the Republican machine along with Conservative Christians who are waiting anxiously for the "Rapture". It's a bad combination.

[MirrorAshes]

24. What in the world was the point of this post?

I'd like to have that 10 seconds of my life back, thanks.

[anarchy1999]

26. Why did you waste it then? Way to new to insult at such a level.

Take your ten seconds back. Bye.

[MirrorAshes]

29. Just calling it like I see it. Go drown your sorrows elsewhere.

I really couldn't care less about my post count or yours. If you want to sulk in the corner, go ahead, I just don't see what good it does anybody.

Oh, sorry though, I guess I havn't yet earned the right to speak my mind. How silly of me.

[anarchy1999]

32. You always have the right to speak your mind here at DU.

Being offensive is something else. Cheers.

[MirrorAshes]

34. I asked a legitimate question. Sorry if thats offensive to you.

Anyway, I really can't even tell if you folks are being serious anymore, so whatever.

[Kanary]

38. Insulting is never serious, or legitimate.

We're quite capable of telling the difference.

How many seconds, now?

:crazy:

[MirrorAshes]

39. Wow, such thin skin around here.

My comment was sarcastic, yes, but hardly insulting.

[Kanary]

41. Actually, just another attempt at divisiveness.

Feeling kinda proud of yourself, eh?

:crazy:

And here I thought your time was so important to you.

Well, it's clear you are here to raise hell, so go ahead.... I, on the other hand, search out those who are congenial.

buhbye...... now, you can have the last word that you have so sorely wanted.

:silly:

Kanary

[MirrorAshes]

43. Oh, the irony.

[BeHereNow]

33. You are so right-

Facing reality NEVER helps anyone.
God forbid we face facts and prepare accordingly.
Much better to continue living in a state of hope that
the country has not been lost to the multi-national corporation.
Naw, that didn't happen. Not at all.
Carry on.
BHN

[MirrorAshes]

37. I am worried as anyone about fraud, but I believe we have the numbers

If turnout is anything like what I think it will be, all the fraud and dirty tricks in the world won't steal it away from Kerry. Yes, we do certainly have to prepare accordingly, but discounting the very real possibility of record voter turnout seems short-sighted.

I am prepared for the worst. But I still hope for the best.

[sangh0]

81. Look at how BHN describes our inevitable loss as "facing reality"

and judge his credibility from that.

[BeHereNow]

27. Actually, this thread is a secret DU test...

Your ten seconds of participation are appreciated.
BHN

[anarchy1999]

28. Okay, promise not to laugh.

jeez!

[BeHereNow]

31. SHHH...

It's late, not much traffic-
we don't wont to blow our cover.
The test has been very effective over the years, as you know.
Hopefully the latest participant wont tell the others.
BHN

[anarchy1999]

35. Whoops, Sorry.

n/t

[rfrrfrrfr]

36. don't know what you have been smoking

Kerry will win handidly with a minimum of 320 EV's and 53% of the popular vote. Thats minimum mind you. He could do much much better.

Basically almost all the states that bush is at 50% or less in he loses. And a few that he has more than 50% in he could lose as well depending on the size of turnout and how the turnout breaks out.

Everywhere I turn I see and hear discontentment with Bush and his policies. The only time I see supporters is when He holds a rally and busses his prescreened crowds in. For every person I know voting for bush, (only a handful) I know 3 who are going to vote for Kerry. You can see they are desperate in what they are puting in the ads they run.

The only way we lose this election is if we stay home and don't go to the polls.

[anarchy1999]

40. Just keep on telling yourself, it's all okay, we can count on the "touch

screens", it's all okay, we will win. Good job, good luck and I'm not smoking anything. See you on November the 3rd, want to place a bet now?

[Gore1FL]

48. Next Up: We are all going to die

so why try to stay alive?

[anarchy1999]

49. Get over yourself.

Truly. Or would you really like to hear more? There's lots if you care to seek it out.

[Gore1FL]

55. I know what we face

I just haven't thrown in thwe towle, nor do I wish to encourage others to do so. I believe in overcoming adversities and succeeding, whereas this thread implies we shoudl quit and go home.

We differ a lot in our approach and opinions.

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Gore1FL]

60. It is actually typing

I don't drink often or heavily.

Yeah I am glad we differ too. I couldn't live without hope, empowerment, or self-confidence.

[Gore1FL]

62. Man I looked and I had two letters reversed an an extra w

gasp --

[Dem2theMax]

51. "See you all on November the 3rd. What will we all do then?"

Well, put a collective gun to our heads. What else?
If we are not supposed to have any hope anymore, gee, I don't see much else to do. Maybe we can borrow some Kool-Aid from the sheeple factory?

I seem to remember this guy, um, his name was Christopher Reeve. Had a really bad accident. Could have given up. Could have said he didn't stand a chance. But nope. He didn't give up. He kept fighting. And he gained back 70% of the feeling in his body. Moved arms and legs in water after doctors told him he NEVER would. Moved fingers. Raised millions of dollars for research. People are going to get up out of wheelchairs someday in the not too distant future because he didn't give up hope. Somehow, his accident and his fight taught me to never give up hope. And I can walk. I can move every bit of my body. And if November 3rd comes and Kerry didn't win, I'm going to march right back to DU and start the fight all over again.

I'm not giving up hope. I'm not giving up period. My Dad spent 36 solid months in the Pacific during WWII, not giving up hope, never stopping the fight. He did that for you and for me. That red, white and blue flag belongs to me. And I'm keeping it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This one is mine.

[anarchy1999]

53. Never suggested you give up hope. Just get real. Period.

Really, you new guys at DU need to be nicer.

Read up, do some research and then let fly.

[Gore1FL]

56. "We don't stand a chance" is not suggesting giving up?

then what does it suggest?

[anarchy1999]

59. It is suggesting that everyone concerned be really aware.

With what is happening right now we all need to be on high alert. Don't let yourself be fooled.

[Gore1FL]

63. What would make you thingk we are not on high alert?

And what would be your proposed strategy of action given your belief that "we don't stand a chance?"

[anarchy1999]

64. Game over Gore1FL.

Not playing. Go google Greg Palast, okay? Check back in on the 3rd. We'll see where this goes.

[Gore1FL]

66. I have read his article - I have read BBV

I intend to work for my country and make things better. I am not about to sit around feeling sorry for myself, giving up in the face of adversity, and try to get others to follow.

I also probably won't take issue with typos, spelling, grammar, nor imply drug or alchohol abuse of those who disagree.

Taker look at this thread -- you state we are didided. Why then, knowing this, would you take it upon yourself to divide us more? If you don't believe that is what you are doing, then re-read the thread.

From experience, I have learned that those who sit and complain about all the work they have before them never get any of it done.

You are right about one thing-- Game over -- i am not wasting any more time on this thread.

[anarchy1999]

74. I so totally rest my case!

N/T!

[Maddy McCall]

82. Don't you know? They are going to hunker down in a fortified shelter...

but you're only invited if you "know what's going on." :eyes:

DU Endtimers only. Those of us who are going to go out and vote and wait for election results to determine what November 3 holds for us aren't invited. :-)

But you can come to my party if you want. It's the one with Kerry signs, balloons, beer, and barbecue. :evilgrin:

[Dem2theMax]

78. There's a PM waiting for you. nt.

[Maddy McCall]

80. Funny that you ridicule "new guys" but you have your post number hidden

Therefore, we don't know if you are "new" or not.

Honestly, it seems to me that you have taken about ten tin-foil hat hypotheses, strung them together, and have come to the conclusion that the world will end on November 3. I guess we can start referring to these kinds of posters as "DU Endtimers."

Kinda silly...are you going to bunker down with a couple other DUers in some kind of postmodern commune so that the human race can perpetuate itself?

Well, in case I don't make it until November 3, I want to thank you for being the future of humanity. :eyes:

[MadHound]

58. You know, I used to be where you are, yet lately, things have changed

I honestly think that Kerry is going to win this thing, BBV shinanigans and all(and remember, I've been making book that Bushco will win). The reason for the optimism, massive, record breaking new voter registration. This swings things Kerry's direction in a huge way. In addition, if we've all been doing our jobs, there will be a huge turnout on the second. Again, this will favor Kerry. I honestly think that the vote will be so overwhelmingly Kerry in so many states that it will override whatever dirty tricks Bushco has planned for places like Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. Face it, they've put all of their dirty tricks eggs into just a few baskets, they haven't got the whole election wired. Thus, if we pull places like Missouri, Colorado, etc into the Kerry camp, it will overwhelm whatever tricks they pull off in the states where they've been concentrating, and Kerry wins.

Yes, I'm being optimistic, but I've good reason to be. And remember Anarchy, this is coming from a person who was as pessimistic as you are a couple of weeks ago. But I think that new voters and overwhelming turnout will make the difference. Have faith, work hard on the voter turnout, and be prepared to be pleasantly suprised.

[anarchy1999]

61. Please let it be so. I'd be ever so happy.

We'd both be thrilled. Thanks for your ever so positive input.

[JNelson6563]

65. Thank bob I can take the week off!

Here I was thinking it's crunch time and it'll be a helluva week! Thought I'd be hauling ass to make sure the north was much bluer than the 2000 precinct numbers show.

Now that I know we will lose no matter what and that we are totally fucked and that all my efforts for the last year and a half have been futile, well I'm just going back to bed.

/sarcasm

Congratulations Anarchy, you have achieved the defeatist mindset the Rethugs are hoping for. And if you want to continue your mantra "blackbox voting" or any of the other fatalistic stuff have at it, I won't be bothering with the negativity.

Damn sad to see how many non-warriors we have on our side. Ugh.

Julie--who will never curl up in a ball, cry and accept defeat

[anarchy1999]

68. Thank Julie. I'm not in a ball and not accepting defeat. I spent all of

yesterday driving through a precinct in Dallas with the candidate I support, what did you do yesterday?

I'm suggesting every one be prepared for what is coming. Please see previous posts and links to article with Ronnie Dugger and John Dean along with Greg Palast and Krugman.

Get over yourself soon. Thanks.

[H2O Man]

67. Kerry wins the election .....

at this point, unless there is some huge "incident," Kerry has won the popular and electoral vote. The republican party is attempting to cheat, but it does not appear to be working. They have a legal strategy, but the Supreme Court will hesitate to take any case, because there will be numerous contested states.

The question becomes one of either attempting an exodus, or attempting to do a nonviolent Gandhi/King visit in Washington, DC? Why should we leave when we have won the election? It's the neocons who need to pack their bags.

[anarchy1999]

70. Thanks H2O.

We will buy drinks for all DU'ers in the Dallas area if this selection event goes in Kerry's favor. If on the 3rd, they (the media), tell us Kerry has won, we buy.

[H2O Man]

76. Kerry has won

as long as two groups get out and vote. These groups are the people under the age of 28, and minorities including blacks and Native Americans. I'm not saying that I think there is a good chance Kerry will win. He has it, and the republicans know this. There are divisions in republican circles about how hard to contest the loss. But, believe me, many moderate republicans are glad to see the administration lose.

[Cooley Hurd]

69. What a bullshit thread...

"We don't stand a chance. We've all been divided and conquered."

I mean, WTF?? We all know about the danger of BBV. However, to declare we've been "conquered" before the vote of the main body of the electorate have been cast is illogical and unnecessarily divisive - can you say "self-fulfilling prophecy?" :eyes:

Gotta run before the a1999, BHN and Kanary tag-team punches me in the mouth for smiling...;)

[anarchy1999]

71. Sorry to have put you off, and the "tag team" will let you be.

See you on the 3rd.

[Cooley Hurd]

73. I'll be there...

...still wearing my party hat! :D:thumbsup:

[anarchy1999]

72. "See you guy's, I'm going home."

Flame away. I tried and I'm sorry I've offended so many. Chaos is coming, just read John Dean. I'm hoping for a miracle along with him.

[OneTwentyoNine]

79. We WON in 2000,and Bush has been a disaster....

How in the hell would 3,4 or even 10% of the voters that went for Gore suddenly think that Bush and his Nazi's have done a good job of running this country and vote for him??

I don't see it happening,but I think it will be just like 2000,all the way down to the last vote.

David

[vetwife]

83. There are some things to think about but I still hope Hope is on the Way

It is all in the few days ahead now. Who said, "Its not the ones who cast but the ones who count the votes? I hope and pray we go out in droves to make this a landslaide, I am beginning to think the media is hyping Bush's numbers so there could be a lot of cheating but if we turn out, you can't cheat us all ! The trick here is to turn out turn out turn out ! Landslide would b nice but I would settle for 1 vote. For the record. I heard on C-Span that the election (unless a major lead ) will not be settled as WV has one of its electorates holding out and will not cast for Bush or Kerry. That could be a huge problem. No matter who is there , there will be one vote shy to take the pie. This is what needs to be considered. One vote shy could end up with wrangling for days and months on end and would make 2000 look like a cakewalk but we shall see. One vote shy in West Virginia. Count on it. The elector has already stated his case.

[Evergreen Emerald]

84. Conspiracy theorist

I haven't generally been a conspiracy theorist, however, I wonder if the fix isn't already in.
1. The computer programs used to tally the votes are created by Diebold who promised to bring the votes for Bush.
2. Polls put them at a dead heat--when I beleive that Kerry is far ahead...so that when Bush is deemed the winner--it won't be too incredulous.
3. Many are callings states 'swing' that obviously favor Kerry.

The computers and programs are key. How have they been tested? How can they be monitored?

I beleive Kerry will be elected by the people. I just hope we are not naive. Are they more evil than we know? To what extent will they go--to what extent can they go? How many have to be involved to pull off something of this magnitude?

We all talk of Florida--what happened in 2000 with the other states of which we are not aware?

Sorry.