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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:40 AM
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Do Republicans really hate lawyers?
They seem to use an awful lot of them, especially around election time or when they don't want certain documents to become public. By the way, who do you think files more "frivolous" lawsuits; Democrats or Republicans?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:42 AM
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1. Not divorce lawyers
or corporate lawyers (usually the low end of the talent pool).
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:44 AM
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2. Depends on what you consider frivolous
When they want to sue someone for using freedom of speech?
When they want to sue someone claiming their OWN freedom of speech is being suppressed?
When they want to fight environmental restrictions?
When they want to fight worker rights?
When they see any way of stealing another million bucks or so?

THEN they don't seem to mind lawyers much.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:47 AM
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3. They hate lawyers...
...who sue their corporate supporters.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:56 AM
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6. Q is correct.
Repugs are for everything corporate. The only people capable or inclined to hurt corporations are lawyers. Hence, they hate lawyers.

Sort of like why Israel hates any Islamic entitly w/ anything larger than a pea-shooter. Really, it's nothing more than a dislike of consequences.

Gyre
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:54 AM
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16. Exactly right
Repug leadership will push for anything that reduces the cost of doing business. Anti-union, anti-minimum wage, anti-environmental protection, "tort reform" -- it's all part of the same pro-business profit agenda, and they make up the rationalizations as they go along.

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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 02:07 AM
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23. lawsuits are the only remaining checks on corporations these days
so naturally they want to get rid of them.

Corporations can then do whatever the fuck they want without ANY fear whatsoever of any accountability.

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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:48 AM
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4. They hate lawyers just like they hate abortion, sex,.............
satan, alchohol, drugs, taxes, big government,etc.....etc...etc.
In other words not at all. Simply wedge issues for them to fire up the ignorant.
The proof is that they had the presidency, house and senate for 4 years and never passed any of the "core" issues.
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cedahlia Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 10:47 AM
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11. They hate all of those things
Except for when they, or someone they care about needs to utilize them (abortion, lawyer, welfare, etc.)

"Abortion is MURDER!!! Uh, what...I knocked up my 18 year old mistress! Uh oh! Here's some money, honey...get yourself a cab to the abortion clinic."

"Lawyers are SCUM!!! Uh, what...my child is dead because of some doctor's gross negligence?! I'll sue!!!"

"Welfare is for LAZY LIBERALS who want to sit around all day eating bon bons!!! Uh, what...my car just died, I lost the job I've worked hard at for years, and I can't feed my kids...where's that welfare office again?"

Ah, Republican hypocrisy...gotta love it. :eyes:
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49jim Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:56 AM
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5. Not unless they need them to
win an election!
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 09:58 AM
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7. They hate lawyers who are democrats
For instance, Edwards is an evil "trial lawyer." Mel Martinez, who is running for Bob Graham's senate seat, who is a trial lawyer, is "a brave Cuban American who has overcome unbeatable odds." Republicans go whichever way benefits them. Life is a cost/benefit ratio game to those people. If it makes them richer or gives them more power, they will be for it. If it cuts into their power and wealth, they are against it.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 10:00 AM
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8. I Believe that Republicans say that.....
"you're either with us or against us"! Any lawyers that are against us are "lawyers". Any lawyers that are for us are "patriots"!

GO FOR IT :dem: LAWYERS ON NOVEMBER 2, 2004!!
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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 10:01 AM
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9. Because of the plethora of lawyer jokes
Edited on Sat Oct-23-04 10:02 AM by Carson
that has been around for ages (google "lawyer jokes and you'll see what I mean), I'd say the "dislike" transcends political parties.

Even Shakespeare (and I can't remember the play at the moment) had a quote, "First let's kill all the lawyers."
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:49 AM
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14. That would be unusual
I'm not sure how Shakespeare could have said "First let's kill all the lawyers" when the term did not exist at that time. Look into the differences between the American and English legal traditions, and then you'll understand.
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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:16 PM
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21. It's from Henry VI, part 2. Google, if you wish, to verify.
I'm sure you'll find it. Just type in the phrase, "kill all the lawyers shakespeare"

Bada bing. A veritible fount of information.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 10:17 AM
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10. when a Republican says "I hate lawyers", what he usually means is :

"I hate legal accountability."


MDN

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:43 AM
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12. OK lawyers: corporate lawyers, insurance defense lawyers, divorce lawyers
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:46 AM
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13. repukes hate everyone
they hate each and everyone of us

they hate each other (they'll pretend not to hate you if they need your vote, but they are merely pandering)

most of all, they hate themselves
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 02:53 AM
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24. Yup, that's what I was going to say
they hate everyone...until they need you...they still hate you even then, they only pretend that they don't. x(
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:54 AM
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15. Well, it wasn't a team of podiatrists
they called in to settle Florida. They love lawyers. They just hate the ones who help little guys vex the monied class.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:46 PM
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18. Exactly
They hate John Edwards but love Ted Olsen.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:57 AM
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17. republicans hate everyone unlike themselves. - n/t
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:47 PM
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19. Republicans hate lawyers,support gays and are against oil companies?
BULLSHIT
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:08 PM
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20. No, they don't hate lawyers
They just hate when poor and middle class people have access to them.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:41 PM
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22. Only honest ones...
... with consciences.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:22 AM
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25. No, they're utter hypocrites
They hate only those lawyers they don't themselves employ.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:27 AM
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26. Well, lawyers are like hookers to them

The selfrighteous despise them- until they screw up their lives badly enough, and then they run to them because they need them without a bit of shame. The reason these people hate and fear lawyers and hookers is because secretly they feel weak and dependent on them.

No, of course they don't hate lawyers. If there ever was an Establishment job, it's being the legal "counsel" of a crappy big corporation that makes decent profit despite its screwup of a CEO who has become utterly dependent on his "counsel".
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:55 AM
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27. What is the truth?
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 04:57 AM by sweetheart
The vast majority of lawsuits are by corporations. So it seems the
entire court system is a form of corporate welfare, and i guess that
makes republicans squeemish to start with. As they feel weakness,
they attack, so it does not suprise me they attack there.

Class action lawsuits on behalf of individuals demanding their civil
rights from corporations really are a small slice of the pie, and
they hold this part up, as "frivolous".

Why do they hate lawyers? I think that it is because the congress
is failed, due to corporate lobbiests, that our democratic
legislatures cannot be trusted to legislate the law, so that law
ends up being made in the courtroom instead. No law is currently
protecting americans from "mad cow" infection, as it would involve
serious legislation regulating the livestock and butcher professions.
Instead, look for some relatives of people who've died from CJD
(the human variation of mad cow) to sue the industry. Its all so
frustrating, as justice fails to be proactive, and there are those
"lawywers" collecting big fees for what should be common sense law
to start with.

It seems that the hatred of lawyers is the futile admission that
the congress is institutionally corrupt and incompetent. As the
congress "IS" republican, they attempt to transfer the hatred outside
their own circle by externalization.

Externalization takes the internal phobias, and transfers them on to
external people and institutions. Everyone has inside them a little
bit of homosexuality. Men know a beautiful man, and women know a
beautiful woman. To recognize this, for a republican is fear and,
"dirty", so they externalize it as hatred on to gay people. Somehow,
if they can kill all gay people, they feel their own feelings of
attraction for their same sex will be erased. This attempt to
externalize 'percieved' evil, separate it from ones own very self, and destroy it
is the core fallacy of the pukes. It is wholly juvenile and should
be no where near government.

That's my theory for why they hate lawyers (Besides that laywers are
the largest democratic party doners, and 2nd largest GOP doners).
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