The Bush/Chirac "feedback" video-I think it's worse than we expect

[EstimatedProphet]

I just watched it, and here's my take on it:
The voices preceding Bush speaking are from Bush. If you listen closely to the accent and pacing, you will hear (I did anyway) almost an exact copy of what Bush then came out and said. This makes no sense if it were another person talking off camera. If it were a case of Bush trying to imitate the voice, personally I don't think he could have done as good a job as it sounded, and what would be the point in trying to imitate the voice? It would just get in the way of what he was saying.
So, IMO what we have here is a loop of dialog occurring on the video BEFORE it actually occurs. We have what Bush says being "broadcast" (whether it was actually broadcast or not I don't know, since I didn't see it when it aired), which then is repeated verbatim with the same accent and pacing by Bush approximately 1 second later.
How could this happen?
If it were being broadcast, clearly the voice, if it is indeed Bush (and I believe it is) could not be broadcast around the room before he says it. If it's another person I doubt Bush could do such a good job of imitating them, as I said previously.
I think the answer is yet another Karl Rove dirty trick.
Here's how it works: Bush HAS to wear a radio in the debates, but his handlers are afraid that he will inadvertently reveal it somehow, like, for example, by insisting "let me finish" for absolutely no reason.
How could Rove discredit the idea of Bush using a headset of some sort?
By circulating a clip which has a loop of Bush apparently saying what he is told to say by a voice which precedes him by 1 second. The press and the "liberal" media and all of us find out about the clip and take it as proof that Bush is wired and getting what to say from someone else, then when it is investigated, oops, it was simply a technical error. And afterward everyone who ever questions whether Bush is wired is a crackpot, so Bush is now free to be wired.
I know there's a lot of people who are convinced that this is proof of Bush being wired. Hell, I think he was wired. But I think this is a trap, and it's typical of the guy who did the EXACT SAME THING with the TANG memo a month ago. This is just video instead of paper.

[Dickie Flatt]

1. I think we're giving Rove far too much credit here. [n/t]

[Jackpine Radical]

6. But it fits a pattern.

To be specific, it fits the pattern of the discrediting of Dan Rather with "phony" documents that contained the real information Rove wanted to taint.

[EstimatedProphet]

10. Nope, we're not. I disagree.

This is exactly the sort of thing he's done in the past, as recently as a month ago to CBS.

[Bluebear]

2. the voice, cadence & inflection surely sound like Furious George to me

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. The thought that occured to me is if he is wired and listening, it is a speech he pre-recorded in a sober moment to listen to and repeat. Hell, maybe he can't read.

[NYC Liberal]

12. That's what I thought.

That it WAS someone feeding him his lines -- himself, pre-recorded.

If you listen, about 15 seconds in, he talks about looking forward to working with Chirac. But the two voices are different:

First Voice: "I look forward to working with President Chirac..."
Second Voice (Bush): "I look workin'...look forward to working with President Chirac."

NOT an echo, not an audio glitch.

[EstimatedProphet]

13. You're right

I just listened again.

[RainDog]

3. The Salon article mentions this use the device

If you go to the original Salon article, the guy mentions that reporters record their stories which are then replayed into their ears.

they speak the words, again, so that they don't make mistakes during a live feed.

so that could explain why it's Bush's voice you think is coming in from the feed.

I don't know if he's packing an earpiece/transmitter or not, but if so, that's one way it's used.

[fearnobush]

4. This audio device thing is just a gaff, No, no one is really

believing Bush would do this, especially after those lame Bush debates.

[EstimatedProphet]

11. Wanna bet?

From what I have seen, this is this week's version of the tinfoil hat. Unfortunately there looks to be some people buying into the Bush is Wired meme right now.

[flowomo]

5. Seems like an awfully long way around the block....

I'd rather it just turned out he cheated

[shraby]

8. Maybe, just maybe......the first

debate was so bad because either the wire wouldn't work properly or someone jammed it so it wouldn't work. He definitely had something under his suit coat..no question about that.

[flowomo]

14. look, Jerry Ford couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time.....

why assume Bush can talk and listen at the same time?

[October]

7. I agree

THe phrasing sounds exact to me too. I don't understand it, but it does not sound like someone feeding him lines; it's his own voice IMO!

We have to concentrate on the plug/device on his back.

And while I hate giving Rove this much credit...you're right. He took the TANG issue totally out of the picture, and CBS lost credibility in the process.

[teach1st]

9. Audio problems

I looked at it a long time today. But if you listen closely at the very end, you'll hear Chrirac echo his cough first and then the actual Chirac cough.

I put up a condensed version (WMV):

http://www.tuff-teach.com/pics/echobush.wmv

Previous discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2474339

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. Translator?

Remember, they were wired for the translators...FRench to English / English to French. It would make sense that the voice was the translator interpreting their statements.

[Kimber Scott]

15. There were audio problems that day. I watched it as it happened.

It was Bush feedback.

[951]

17. Its a hoax in my opinion

I watched it and it sounds like "someone" dubbed and distorted Bush's own speech over the video.

Please DU'ers don't fall for this nonsense lets stick to the "real" failures of George Bush and boy does he have alot.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

18. Please, people, Bush is a fucking monkey.

I can buy, even for a moment, that chimpy needs an audio feed--or perhaps hass used one. But the above scenario? It's a bit much, really. In fact, I find the pictures of Rove-as-alien shooting out of the monkey's back 68% more believable than the above theory.

People, please look at the logic you're being asked to accept. I don't want to demean EstimatedProphet in anyway, but . . . perhaps a day or two away from the bong would help.

I could, of course, be a wired freeper.

[EstimatedProphet]

20. Dude, you don't get at all what I am saying

I have been watching people for days on DU now quoting this and another video clip from Bush as proof that he is wired. It's this week's conspiracy.
Now, given Rove's penchant for projecting conspiracies into our side, so that we will then take them up and run with them, then they blow up in our faces, it is easier to believe that this is an edited clip than that Bush was re-stating what someone said to him with exactly the same voice patterns and accent. This is Rove, remember. This is the person who bugged his own office in order to claim that his opponent did it and disgrace him. And the above scenario that I laid out is exactly what did happen a month ago. Traps are what Rove does.
I am not saying we should never trust anyone again, or that Bush has the wit to pull off some sort of media trick. I am saying that it is more likely that this is a trick designed to make conspiracy theorists look foolish and discredit the idea that Bush COULD be wired, than it is proof that Bush WAS wired. I don't want to see people at DU running with this like they did with the TANG memo, and then finding out it was a hoax. It makes us look like we go off half-cocked.
Maybe there's something to the video, maybe not. Let's find out first if there is, before we jump on it and find out it was from the desk of Karl Rove.

[w4rma]

19. Seems like a red herring. (nt)

[EstimatedProphet]

21. Yes, that's what my point is

and as a red herring I doubt there's any truth to Bush being "prompted" in the video by an outside speaker.